1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:41 pm UTC

moody7277 wrote:
Angua wrote:Do the stars move slower when there's dialogue?

Judging by Book of Aubron, no. Which means they're taking a really long time for small talk.

Also, as I noted earlier, the stars kept moving at the same speed when Cueball went and picked up some meowpy ammo, so he must have been walking r-e-a-l-l-y s-l-o-w-l-y...
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ETA: assuming that the predicted date is correct, can our astronomy folks predict where the moon is going to be, and if and when it is going to show up in the frame? (If it's a full-ish moon, it should set around dawn, but could be too far to the left or right, I think?)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby sla29970 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:41 pm UTC

Rule110 wrote:if drawn with astronomical accuracy the moon will look like a comically tiny dot, smaller than Cueball's head. And with Randall aware that we're here putting our calipers on everything, I won't be too surprised if he just throws up his hands and leaves it out.

I am still getting used to this greyscale-in-xkcd newfangledness, but I think that, much like the sun, the grey levels could allow for a lunar aureole that looked artistically big enough.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby sla29970 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:53 pm UTC

sla29970 wrote:
Rule110 wrote:if drawn with astronomical accuracy the moon will look like a comically tiny dot, smaller than Cueball's head. And with Randall aware that we're here putting our calipers on everything, I won't be too surprised if he just throws up his hands and leaves it out.

I am still getting used to this greyscale-in-xkcd newfangledness, but I think that, much like the sun, the grey levels could allow for a lunar aureole that looked artistically big enough.

Alas, the southernmost objects in the frame are declination about -12 degrees, maybe as far as -15 at the corner, but the moon should be south of -20.
On the bright side we should get to see the Pleiades just before dawn.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Wildhound » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:00 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:00 pm UTC

Pikrass wrote:Charles Trenet - La Mer (original)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby k.bookbinder » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:05 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:13 pm UTC

Ximenez wrote:ETA:
sford wrote:When Cueball wanted to wake up Megan, he should have spoken her name. (Assuming they have names that far in the future.)

To me, that feels like one of the more artificial instances of their conversation. I don't go around saying the name of the person I'm with, but when I want to get their attention, I do.
Megan did the same in NP 2215.
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But what if there's ever only two of them, and they have no need to address other people? Would they use names then?

I'm more and more leaning towards Cassinimadagascarism, by the way. At some point in the next 11,000 years, something apocalypic will happen (possibly affecting the moon) which twists the earth into Cassini-mode. Obviously, this kills many people and ends civilization. There are now only a few small tribes of people living at various locations. Cuegan is part of (or all that's left of) one such tribe; they know enough to stay alive, but most knowledge of civilization is lost.
This is a kinda sorta consistent theory, no?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:33 pm UTC

@Pikrass: Very nice ottification! I know just enough French to read along (having pre-read the English translation) in French. Very well done, and keeps the original charm.

When you say "I'm not taking into account quotes and code blocks either." do you mean you are ignoring parens inside quotes or code blocks? Or ignoring the fact that they are in quotes or code blocks and counting them anyway as part of the mass? Many parens were opened (or closed) asymettrically within a quote.

And I'm not sure the messages inside 49 nested parens feel sad. They are inside the biggest group hug the OTT has made so far.

mscha wrote:I'm more and more leaning towards Cassinimadagascarism, by the way. At some point in the next 11,000 years, something apocalypic will happen (possibly affecting the moon) which twists the earth into Cassini-mode. Obviously, this kills many people and ends civilization. There are now only a few small tribes of people living at various locations. Cuegan is part of (or all that's left of) one such tribe; they know enough to stay alive, but most knowledge of civilization is lost.
This is a kinda sorta consistent theory, no?
It's as good as any, better than most, and I'll buy it.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Ximenez » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:41 pm UTC

mscha wrote:But what if there's ever only two of them, and they have no need to address other people? Would they use names then?

Two reasons to believe there are more than two of them: They live in (plural) tents and LaPetite. Of course they could share a name, i.e. be called the same way by others, something like our Cuegan. In such a case, would they call each other "Cuegan"? I believe "hey" is a way for GLR to avoid naming them. Maybe a name would carry too much information about their origin and whereabouts?

mscha wrote:I'm more and more leaning towards Cassinimadagascarism, by the way. At some point in the next 11,000 years, something apocalypic will happen (possibly affecting the moon) which twists the earth into Cassini-mode. Obviously, this kills many people and ends civilization. There are now only a few small tribes of people living at various locations. Cuegan is part of (or all that's left of) one such tribe; they know enough to stay alive, but most knowledge of civilization is lost.
This is a kinda sorta consistent theory, no?

I like it too. The baobabs are too big and 7 an evidence to ignore. Almost like they were put there by GLR just to tell us "Madagascar". And the night sky adds "North hemisphere" to that, so it's Cassini Earth. But what about the sandcastles? How did Cuegan get the design?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NoMouse » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:42 pm UTC

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NoMouse wrote:I'm not an astronomer (just sky-stitcher) but I guess the stars would be moving the other way so they would be even more misplaced. I am also pretty sure, that our astronomers has tested this option.
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At the very least, the lack of satellites in the early evening pictures is further evidence of the very-far-future, post-apocalypse theory.

I could be wrong, but I think most of the satellites we can see are on low Earth orbit and they will eventually burn in the atmosphere... So yeah, definitely no new satellites but I don't think the old ones would be still there.


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Ximenez » Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:47 pm UTC

NoMouse wrote:Also, has anyone noticed, that np2449 (according to mscha's count) is missing a star?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edfel » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:05 pm UTC

Pikrass wrote:Charles Trenet - La Mer (original)
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Ces raptors chats
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A bercé nos coeurs
Pour la vie

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Vytron » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:08 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:10 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Marsh'n » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:11 pm UTC

mscha wrote:
Pikrass wrote:Charles Trenet - La Mer (original)

C'est une très jolie ottification! Image (Y'all should stop saying you're no good at this...)


Seconded. C'était merveilleux!
And BytEfLUSh, that goes for you too - great OTTification.
And fhorn and Angelastic - both versions are great - two different perspectives are always helpful when you're trying to figure out where you are!
BlitzGirl - loved your keyboard under the stars. Xe looks puzzled for some reason.

I missed BlitzGirls NewPage of Stars, but really, they're all around us, aren't they?učim Some of them shooting quickly through, others guiding us across mountains or through deserts, or giving us the light by which to see molpies on the prowl...
As for constellations, I'm pleased to see my native Scorpio so prominently featured in the astronomy!

ETA, then clarified: Regarding calling "Megan" and "Cueball" rather than "Hey" - I think this is a personal style thing. I rarely call anybody by name unless there are a whole bunch of people in a space and I am trying to get the attention of a particular one. For me, this form of address ("Hey") is completely natural. I have heard that in some groups/cultures the way I do it is considered disrespectful, so it wouldn't surprise me if there are big differences among those of us on the list.

učim: Aware that I was ninja'd by you, but I still wanted to say it too.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Pikrass » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:14 pm UTC

ucim wrote:@Pikrass: Very nice ottification! I know just enough French to read along (having pre-read the English translation) in French. Very well done, and keeps the original charm.

Thank you! :)

ucim wrote:When you say "I'm not taking into account quotes and code blocks either." do you mean you are ignoring parens inside quotes or code blocks? Or ignoring the fact that they are in quotes or code blocks and counting them anyway as part of the mass? Many parens were opened (or closed) asymettrically within a quote.

I ignore parens inside quotes and code blocks. The code is available on my github.

ucim wrote:And I'm not sure the messages inside 49 nested parens feel sad. They are inside the biggest group hug the OTT has made so far.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Rule110 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:17 pm UTC

mscha wrote:
Ximenez wrote:ETA:
sford wrote:When Cueball wanted to wake up Megan, he should have spoken her name. (Assuming they have names that far in the future.)

To me, that feels like one of the more artificial instances of their conversation. I don't go around saying the name of the person I'm with, but when I want to get their attention, I do.
Megan did the same in NP 2215.
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But what if there's ever only two of them, and they have no need to address other people? Would they use names then?

I'm more and more leaning towards Cassinimadagascarism, by the way. At some point in the next 11,000 years, something apocalypic will happen (possibly affecting the moon) which twists the earth into Cassini-mode. Obviously, this kills many people and ends civilization. There are now only a few small tribes of people living at various locations. Cuegan is part of (or all that's left of) one such tribe; they know enough to stay alive, but most knowledge of civilization is lost.
This is a kinda sorta consistent theory, no?


I wasn't big on Cassini Madagascar earlier, when the evidence for it consisted of Grandidier's Baobabs and frustration over getting the map directions to fit the real Madagascar. With the confirming evidence of being in the right latitude, it's looking a lot better.

For (non-Cassini) North America, the apparent latitude puts us near Baltimore MD, Wilmington DE, and Philadelphia PA on the east coast, with Washington DC and New York City just outside the nominal range. However, as neat as the thought that Megan and Cueball might have walked across my own yard during their journey is, I don't find the east coast persuasive. The present coastal plain is broad. Without sea level rise, it's too long a walk from the coast to the (Appalachian) mountains. A sea level rise solves that problem, but I still don't like it, for what might seem to be a strange reason: I've been up and down Appalachian mountains all my life, and the terrain we see in the OTC doesn't remind me of their slopes. It's a matter of overall perception; like recognizing or not recognizing a face. Of course the vegetation might have changed completely (from the present day forest) but the worn rock ledges and deposits of glacial boulders would not. Those mountains are two billion years old, and though they've changed a lot during those two billion years, they're not going to change much more in twelve thousand.

But because that's just a perception, based only on one artist's interpretation in silhouettes, I could be wrong.

Near the west coast, we'd be in California well north of San Francisco. I don't know the terrain in that area very well at all. However, an obvious possibility is the northern shore of an expanded (due to sea level rise) San Pablo Bay flooding into the Napa Valley, and the Napa River. Problems, though: the bay has several feet of tide (what would it take to close off the Golden Gate to turn the bay into an inland sea?), and it looks like the Napa River stays in a broad valley for a long distance before climbing up through any canyons or into hills. Can anyone make that fit, and perhaps even guess which mountain they are climbing?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HES » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:26 pm UTC

sford wrote:When Cueball wanted to wake up Megan, he should have spoken her name. (Assuming they have names that far in the future.)

To me, that feels like one of the more artificial instances of their conversation. I don't go around saying the name of the person I'm with, but when I want to get their attention, I do.

I neverok call people by name, and because of this I become uncertain and paranoid about calling people the wrong name, so never call people by name. Even with people I know quite well, there's variation on how you could say ther name (Rebecca, Becs, Beci, Becca) and I wouldn't want to use one they don't like.

Even without this, if there are just two of people there's no need (as mscha said). Besides, it would ruin it if we found out their names aren't cuegan and megball
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mscha wrote:
moody7277 wrote:
Angua wrote:Do the stars move slower when there's dialogue?

Judging by Book of Aubron, no. Which means they're taking a really long time for small talk.

Also, as I noted earlier, the stars kept moving at the same speed when Cueball went and picked up some meowpy ammo, so he must have been walking r-e-a-l-l-y s-l-o-w-l-y...
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Unless the earth is just spinning faster. Would that mess up sea level?

mscha wrote:I'm more and more leaning towards Cassinimadagascarism, by the way. At some point in the next 11,000 years, something apocalypic will happen (possibly affecting the moon) which twists the earth into Cassini-mode. Obviously, this kills many people and ends civilization. There are now only a few small tribes of people living at various locations. Cuegan is part of (or all that's left of) one such tribe; they know enough to stay alive, but most knowledge of civilization is lost.
This is a kinda sorta consistent theory, no?

I don't like it, but it's a sound theory
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby higgs-boson » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:28 pm UTC

WHAT IF ...
... Umberto Eco would have published Foucault's Pendulum in a blog with a forum like this attached to?



Oh... Wait.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Marsh'n » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:34 pm UTC

higgs-boson wrote:Honk iff you want Randall to write a Novel.


Sounds like that would lead to a new thread with a new definition of NewPage. Maybe for symmetry we'd have to join the thread and insist on calling thread pages "pix".

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HES » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:40 pm UTC

higgs-boson wrote:
fHonk
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  • twice, if you'd prefer (hardboiled)* Detective Fiction.
  • thrice, if the matter should evolve in a Crime Fiction story.
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  • five times, if Science Fiction would be your favourite (with a moon, please, this time)*.
  • six times, if the black hat guy should be the star of a Spy Novel.
  • seven and a half times, if Utopia/Dystopia should be shown on the label.
  • eight times, if, no thank you, GLR should better write a Roleplaying Rulebook.
  • twelve times (please along short-long-short-short / long-long-long / short-short-short-long / short) if it has to be a Romance of love, maybe with mathematics.
  • endlessly, if the work should be composed in dactylic hexameter, limerick, double dactyl, or haiku (but never ever in standard ballad meter, for we do not want it to be sung to the tune of Gilligan's Island).
*Not mandatory. Please wave frenetically to opt-in.


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby anabatica » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:41 pm UTC

Rule110 wrote:For (non-Cassini) North America, the apparent latitude puts us near Baltimore MD, Wilmington DE, and Philadelphia PA on the east coast, with Washington DC and New York City just outside the nominal range. However, as neat as the thought that Megan and Cueball might have walked across my own yard during their journey is, I don't find the east coast persuasive. The present coastal plain is broad. Without sea level rise, it's too long a walk from the coast to the (Appalachian) mountains. A sea level rise solves that problem, but I still don't like it, for what might seem to be a strange reason: I've been up and down Appalachian mountains all my life, and the terrain we see in the OTC doesn't remind me of their slopes. It's a matter of overall perception; like recognizing or not recognizing a face. Of course the vegetation might have changed completely (from the present day forest) but the worn rock ledges and deposits of glacial boulders would not. Those mountains are two billion years old, and though they've changed a lot during those two billion years, they're not going to change much more in twelve thousand.

But because that's just a perception, based only on one artist's interpretation in silhouettes, I could be wrong.

Near the west coast, we'd be in California well north of San Francisco. I don't know the terrain in that area very well at all. However, an obvious possibility is the northern shore of an expanded (due to sea level rise) San Pablo Bay flooding into the Napa Valley, and the Napa River. Problems, though: the bay has several feet of tide (what would it take to close off the Golden Gate to turn the bay into an inland sea?), and it looks like the Napa River stays in a broad valley for a long distance before climbing up through any canyons or into hills. Can anyone make that fit, and perhaps even guess which mountain they are climbing?


Didn't we establish earlier that they had walked more or less due east along the coast for four days ("walking into the sun all morning" or similar)? Neither North American coast has the correct orientation for that. Sea level rise would inevitably have changed the shapes of the coasts a bit so I tracked down this site that allows you to adjust sea level and see what the coasts would look like and they still don't seem like they fit.

Southern France could work if the longitude estimate was off...

e: none of this explains the vegetation though, and it bothers me

e2: the moon definitely seems to be about to enter frame from the left, there's distinct brightening of that part of the sky
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Valarya » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:49 pm UTC

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I missed some meteors, the return of KarMann (I know how you feel about the immense pile of intimidating ketchup), some wownderful filks, stitching, OTTities, alien abductions and other things equally awesome.

You guys truly are an amazing bunch of people. It makes me smile every single day during ketchup to see all the lovely ideas, creative musings & intelligent posts around here. Unfortunately, the only thing I have to add is some cupcakes. :oops:

And since I missed BlitzGirl's star-page.. I wanted to post a song I like with the word star in it. I've even though about filking this...
Spoiler:
Golden Dawn by Legendary Pink Dots

Lyrics:
I'll be your slave, maybe you'll be my priestess. I'd live in a cave and
we'd meet where all eyes are turned away. Where we can lay, where we can
play... and forget the storm. Will you weep while I slip away... at Golden
Dawn?
You drew a star, and I drew a circle. We hid in the car, we crossed our
fingers and hurtled down the street. The fog was creeping slow, the
deathbird peeping through the window. We drove on and found our way to
Golden Dawn.
I read the news and you heard the sirens. We packed, then we flew to an
island which no-one else could find. Where we could hide and watch the tide
slide in at twilight. We made love... on and on 'til Golden Dawn.


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HES » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:52 pm UTC

Back on topic, with cueball going back to sleep are we going to see an advanced version of his foreshadowing dream? Could be building up hints to the finale:
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!! WARNING !! TVTROPES LINK BELOW!!
Dreaming of things to come
!! IF YOU'RE READING THIS THEN YOU'VE MADE IT OUT ALIVE !! CONGRATULATIONS !!
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Re: Under the Same Stars

Postby akacat » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:59 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:
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More fanart - turned out a bit darker than anticipated, hope y'all can see it...

Aw, that's a really cute picture of the attack-meowlpy. Do you mind if I use it as wallpaper on my tablet?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby spamjam » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:02 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Sciscitor » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:10 pm UTC

Ok I've had had it with the speculations, so I made a Cassini earth map (well actually I took a equirectangular projection image and added the correct gridlines), and here it is:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby spamjam » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:11 pm UTC

edfel wrote:
mscha wrote:
Montov wrote:So, we're in the middle of the night then? It means a couple of decapix until morning.

We're 74 frames (excluding meteor) after sunset. Assuming 5 minutes per frame, that's just over 6 hours.
Since it's supposedly early autumn, the night will be longer than 12 hours, so we're probably slightly under halfway.

(Could some astronomery type perhaps shine some (star)light on this, based on the total movement of the stars since sunset?)


I've got slow neuronal connections this morning [and in general also...], so this might be a mis-computation, but with Stellarium I predict the sunrise in ~110minutesInside which would be more or less 20 np (each np spans more than 5minutesinside) .

edit: about autumn: no, the sun is definitely above the celestial equator, so the night is shorter than 12 hours (10 according to stellarium)
re-edit: forget my computation above: 10h=~120-140 frames, minus 74 = 46 - 66 np. I must have mis-read the stars the first time.
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MattTheTubaGuy wrote:Night will be about 12 hours 40 minutes long, so at 5 minutes per frame, the night should be 152 frames long. If we are currently 75 frames in, then there should be 77 frames left. almost exactly half way!
day length calculator,I selected a location between 39 and 40 degrees north, and set the date to 9th October, which is the precession adjusted date I calculated a few posts back.

Okay, forget all I said above, trust Matt instead.

My very rough estimate, derived entirely from clicking by hours in Stellarium, is that they're a bit more than two-thirds of the way between dusk and dawn. So Cueball should get only about half the time to sleep that Megan did.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby AnotherKevin » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:18 pm UTC

Poor Cueball - for all that he can't stay awake much longer, he can't sleep either!

And - I think that Cueball avoids calling Megan by name after the unfortunate incident where he called his ex-girlfriend by the name of his ex-ex-girlfriend, not yet having learnt that calling her 'darling' avoids the possibility of getting it wrong. :wink:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edfel » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:19 pm UTC

spamjam wrote:THEGREATSQUAREONG
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Updated prediction: the stars will start fading in 5np (starting by the lowest ones, at that time Cueball's head will be in the great square--unless he moves), and the last one will disappear in 13 np. At its closest, the moon will be 10° to the left of the frame (so not far, but still out of it).
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby partingLance » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:21 pm UTC

jjjdavidson wrote:
edo wrote:[snippety] I'm getting a solar position of 14h 55m. Assuming we are still in the Age of Aquarius,putting the date at Nov 8th (w error of about a day)

other useful details:
I measure 7.9845 pixels/degree
the stars moved 190.55970193 pixels in 15 newpix (sqrt(36313)pixels)
there are 6.36 minutes of Time between Newpices

I think I just officially became a Randallversist. If your 8px / degree is correct, then the sun was about 3 degrees across, or about 6 times normal size.

My current opinion is: "Artistic license." I can't help picturing Randall holding his head in his hands, muttering to himself, "I just wanted to give them a pretty sky to look at, but these crazy mustards expect me to have every star in the right place!"


Blind post from NP 959: of course I'll never know, but I'd be immensely cheered if Randall were to use the word "mustards" in that way. It would mean that the nerdsniping had been mutual, or at least that he'd become, in some sense, one of Us.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Ximenez » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:23 pm UTC

anabatica wrote:e2: the moon definitely seems to be about to enter frame from the left, there's distinct brightening of that part of the sky
Looking at the waves of clearer sky coming from that side, I would say something is approaching from the left and below the horizon (that's the feeling navigating through the latest frames in the Book of Aubron). Moonrise? But it doesn't make sense for the moon to be there and moving like that.

ETA: I changed the text above while Marsh'n was answering to the previous version. Sorry about that. It read like this: "Looking at the waves of clearer sky coming from that side, I would say something is approaching from the left and below the horizon. Moonrise? Does it make sense for the moon to be there and moving like that?"
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:27 pm UTC

From the Cassini what-if:
"...what if this change were made on our Earth, over a fairly short time?

We’re assuming that all the material is magically shifted around, so there are no massive tsunamis or earthquakes. Even so, it would definitely still be a catastrophe. For starters, the ice caps would melt long before new ones could develop, pushing the ocean up by a few hundred feet."


So, how long would it take to melt the icecaps? On the order of ten thousand years? That's about the right ballpark for the last ice age melting, although the present ice caps are much smaller and I'd expect them to melt faster.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Marsh'n » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:29 pm UTC

Ximenez wrote:
anabatica wrote:e2: the moon definitely seems to be about to enter frame from the left, there's distinct brightening of that part of the sky
Looking at the waves of clearer sky coming from that side, I would say something is approaching from the left and below the horizon. Moonrise? Does it make sense for the moon to be there and moving like that?


Gosh, I think I'd be expecting something more along toward moonset at this point, particularly if it was full. The astronotheorists probably know, but I guess the rest of us just have to 0.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HES » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:41 pm UTC

ucim wrote:From the Cassini what-if:
"...what if this change were made on our Earth, over a fairly short time?

We’re assuming that all the material is magically shifted around, so there are no massive tsunamis or earthquakes. Even so, it would definitely still be a catastrophe. For starters, the ice caps would melt long before new ones could develop, pushing the ocean up by a few hundred feet."


So, how long would it take to melt the icecaps? On the order of ten thousand years? That's about the right ballpark for the last ice age melting, although the present ice caps are much smaller and I'd expect them to melt faster.

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Yes, but the end of an ice age is different to the sudden relocation of an ice cap to the equator. I'd expect it to be substantially faster
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edfel » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:42 pm UTC

edfel wrote:Updated prediction:

More precisely, here is mscha's future animation (with 1/2 frame (to save space), colors instead of Cuegan, and constellation lines):
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Redundant spoiler:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby cellocgw » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:43 pm UTC

Probably been brought up way back in the early NewPages of OTT, but as I wrote before, "I'm tired of stars." So I'll ask instead, as this night starts to reach its end, will it bring Tomorrow, Or Just the End of Time?

Had we only suspected early on, I would have loved to post in the first few pages, "Time has Come Today." Let someone filk that one!


Continuing in my random ravings, consider this: we may only be able to perceive our own time-stream as constant seconds (or whatever) passing by, because if time were to dilate or be quantized, so would everything in our lives and we couldn't tell. However, as outside observers of the Universe That is The OTC, we should be able to observe, say, sinusoidal variations in the relationship between our time-stream and theirs. This doesn't mean we can tell which one is "linear" and which one isn't; just that they're different. That's why action between NewPix doesn't align with our <heretical> half-hours.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby TheMinim » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:50 pm UTC

Too much rot-13! Too much rot-13! Too much this-isn't-rot-13-it's-rot-something-else-and-so-incomprehensible-when-you-put-it-through-a-rot-13-decoder-so-I-won't-read-it-anyway! Ach!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby spamjam » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:58 pm UTC

I hope we get to see the Andromeda galaxy. It should be visible in a couple more frames. But the Moon is full, so maybe not. Actually, with a full Moon, I'm surprised we're seeing as many stars as we are. Then again I'm a city-boy and don't have a lot of experience with full Moons in dark skies.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NoMouse » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:01 pm UTC

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Time. The final frontier. These are the voyages of Cueball and Megan. Its continuing mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before.


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