1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:23 am UTC

heather99 wrote:Out of curiosity- are those stars actual northern hemisphere constellations?

Yes, here's one of the manipulations from earlier in the thread, by MattTheTubaGuy:
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There were many different user-made images that pointed out the constellations - if you'd like to know more, there was a huge astronomy discussion upthread about 75 pages ago. Here is the wiki article that summarizes some discoveries/debates about the stars of the Long Night.
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Postby AluisioASG » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:38 am UTC

Found this on explainxkcd's talk page:
199.30.248.121 wrote:I would also like to add that knowing Randall, these are not the only images. For all we know, the image will still be changing in 5 years while a tree grows in front of them.


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby *Kat* » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:00 am UTC

Anybody have any ideas on just what we are waiting for?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:09 am UTC

*Kat* wrote:Anybody have any ideas on just what we are waiting for?
It.

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it. We are waiting for "it".

Postby spamjam » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:11 am UTC

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Ninja'd (almost identininja'd) but posting anyway.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:22 am UTC

Woo almost identininja! And now it's coma time. Image

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Exodies » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:44 am UTC

pelrigg wrote:Another reply from out of the Black.

Good catch to all on the meteor. Especially from not one, but two new posters (both of whom had hash tags to throw in). And a special call-out to the moderator who got them out of queue so fast: [Edit in: and were able to join the fray in real time]
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So welcome to both with a big bang.

Is there any way to check and see if there have been any other meteors tonight?

{P972}Perhaps these two meteorologists are part of Grandall's team of elves. He's sent them to alert us to the show.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:50 am UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:
Tatiana wrote:I wonder if their Ikea at home is all flooded now, with boards warping and all. :(

I've been Waiting to ottify this song - now seems like a good Time. :)

IKEA
(to the tune of the same name by Jonathan Coulton)

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Long ago, some Time before
Cuegan began building on a shore
There were boxes and boards
Must have come from a furniture store
It's not too expensive, it's not at all
And they built a seaish platform tall-er, so fine
Rising over the great Sandcastle so fine

Ikea: got one down by the Sea for the greatest convenience
Ikea: selling furniture for those poor souls inbetween tents
Nobody has a home
Ikea won't have a home when the Sea gets high

So grab your bag and make no fuss
Cuegan had not much to discuss
In the land where the River is small and the Sea gets so high
And the Ikea watched them go
Wondering just what did Cuegan know
Leaving safe shores for much rougher ground where the raptorcats snarl

Ikea: got one down by the Sea for the greatest convenience
Ikea: selling furniture for those poor souls inbetween tents
Nobody has a home
Ikea won't have a home when the Sea gets high

Ikea: platforms, scaffolds
Ikea: dilgunnerangs
Ikea: ugh, steam bottles
Look out for the Sea!
Look out, Time to flee!

I'm sorry to say the Ikea's stuck
I saw the Sea and they're outta luck
It's too big and you know
That it does just whatever it wants
I checked back in to see what they'd do
But all that was left of the ocean view
Was a bucket, bobbing alone and it made me afraid

Ikea: got one down by the Sea for the greatest convenience
Ikea: selling furniture for those poor souls inbetween tents
Nobody has a home
Ikea won't have a home when the Sea gets high

BlitzGirl, your creativity3 is like Cuegan's journey: every time I think it has reached a plateau, it just goes on... Awefulsome!

Montov wrote:And we have some closure of the sandcastle, but not what LaPetite was going to do what the material she brought in... Will we ever now? But more importantly, did the cut-away also made a time jump in the OTC? Are they now really close to the dust?

I think we'll never know for sure, but I think this quick cut-away indicates that Cuegan only traveled as far as they were able to walk during these few frames (comparably to the cases when we stayed with a molpy for a few frames longer (although we can't be sure for those cases either)).
Wait on.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:01 am UTC

CONTINUONG...
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ETA: 150 posts! Have some cake, everyone:
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Wait on.

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Kieryn wrote:They have a culture involving hat wearing. What kind of a collective would come up with such a thing!?
BlitzGirl wrote:I'll get the razor and finish off Occam while we're at it.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Vytron » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:42 am UTC

- Blindpost -

Oh, I don't mention timifications very often but, Angelastic...

Angelastic wrote:A very light, spur-of-the-comatime-moment filk of When You Wish Upon a Star:

When you wish upon a star
Makes no difference where you are
Anything Munroe desires
Will come to you.

If your Megan's in a dream
No sky map is too extreme
When you wish upon a star
As dreamers do.

Wait is kind,
It brings to those to love
The explanation of
The ε7 setting.

Leaping molpy from the white?
Great Lord Randall does you right.
When you wish upon a star
You'll last the night.


Short and sweet neat! Keep up the 0 work! :)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Vytron » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:09 am UTC

- Blindpost NP974 -

A post by ucim made me consider something: I'm still in the past! I can change events yet to come, even if they have already happened on your future present!

And, since we have two BlitzGirl the Fasts, I'm now proclaiming myself to be, BlitzGirl the Slow! I think this should be acceptable and solve many issues about a previous met with the present that happened before its own fate.

Still looking forward to reading the next Chapter of Acts Of The Clerics, which will be at page 1017, I believe, which I like to unorthodoxically refer to as "The Gospel of Jose".

Anyway, carry on.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:10 am UTC

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Re: Chapter 21 of the Gospel of tman2nd

Postby Vytron » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:33 am UTC

- Blindpost -

OMBG! A tman2nd post and the sig says... it could only mean... that...

You made it to the present tman2nd!!

This is a glorious moment! You're done BlitzQuesting! BlitzGirl the Next! The waiting has been so worth it!

CONGRATULATIONS!! And, I have some giftcake for you!:

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Re: Numbering Schemes

Postby Sciscitor » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:34 am UTC

I simply number all frames in the order of their occurrence. It is the most convenient way to put them in a database and keep queries for them consistent. To deal with short and longpix I also saved the duration of each frame. This came handy with the meteor frames (I did not expect them to come in seconds between, so I only had an integer field for minutes, but this is was an easy fix).
It requires some additional logic to update the duration of the second to last frame but makes it rather easy to calculate elapsed time and such independent of Outside time standards.
Just my 2¢.

ETA PS: My server is currently down to a rather obscure misconfiguration for which I don't know, how it has happened.
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Re: Numbering Schemes

Postby SBN » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:48 am UTC

Sciscitor wrote:I simply number all frames in the order of there occurrence. It is the most convenient way to put them in a database and keep queries for them consistent. To deal with short and longpix I also saved the duration of each frame. This came handy with the meteor frames (I did not expect them to come in seconds between, so I only had an integer field for minutes, but this is was an easy fix).
It requires some additional logic to update the duration of the second to last frame but makes it rather easy to calculate elapsed time and such independent of Outside time standards.
Just my 2¢.

I like that. It's standardized, yet flexible. (Not unlike the Newpix itself.)
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Re: Numbering Schemes

Postby rvloon » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:50 am UTC

Sciscitor wrote:I simply number all frames in the order of there occurrence. It is the most convenient way to put them in a database and keep queries for them consistent. To deal with short and longpix I also saved the duration of each frame. This came handy with the meteor frames (I did not expect them to come in seconds between, so I only had an integer field for minutes, but this is was an easy fix).
It requires some additional logic to update the duration of the second to last frame but makes it rather easy to calculate elapsed time and such independent of Outside time standards.
Just my 2¢.


It raises the question: judging the method of frame delivery (push from server), what is the minimum interval for update between two frames without missing a single frame?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:10 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby FullOfIt » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:54 am UTC

Rule110 wrote:
hamjudo wrote:5 million years ago, the Mediterranean was disconnected from the Atlantic ocean and mostly evaporated. When the Straits of Gibraltar broke open, the Mediterranean mostly refilled over only 2 years. Away from the Straits, that would look amount to a sustained, and quite confusing sea level rise.


Yeah, there are very few things that would cause a sea level rise like that, and that is one of them. In fact, what else is even comparably plausible with so few observable side effects? Not sudden cataclysmic movement of the earth or moon. Something manmade, a dam or mega engineering project, perhaps. Extremely rapid melting of the antarctic or Greenland ice, maybe, but the sudden onset (but not SO sudden that it all happened in a big tsunami) is weird.


This reminded me of a book by one of my favourite authors, Stephen Baxter: Flood. There it is huge underground reservoirs of water that flood the world. Slightly recommendable. I prefer his hard SF books, and these are more of a sociorealistic (?) variety. Nevertheless: Stephen Baxter. Recommended.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Ximenez » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:00 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:02 pm UTC

Molpy hunter up! Image

When I went acoma, the OTC was still looking at the sea. The first thing I saw this mornix, when I turned on my phone, was frame 2621 as the wallpaper:
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On the small screen, partially covered by icons, it looked like Cuegan was walking on the sea, with the bucket floating in the middle of the frame. That was a bit confusingɛ...

tman2nd wrote:It looks like mscha was right again.

Eek! Twice in a row, I'm getting worried! That's it, no more predictions from me.

ucim wrote:I am a little puzzled as to why we saw this (sea) scene now, and not when they were on the tower looking towards their home, which would be the more story-motivated placement for it. Usually an author will try to show us something by allowing one of the characters to see it, but here the OTA is showing us something, without alluding to it being seen by the characters, and making a point that He is doing so.

It's almost as if the scene is responding to questions here, rather than in the OTC.

I wouldn't say so – it's responding to Megan's question a couple of frames earlier (2609):
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It is showing us something that the main characters can't see, but that's not unusual in storytelling. (Not new to the OTC either, see both appearances of LaPetite.)

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BlitzGirl wrote:IKEA
(to the tune of the same name by Jonathan Coulton)

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Long ago, some Time before
Cuegan began building on a shore
There were boxes and boards
Must have come from a furniture store
It's not too expensive, it's not at all
And they built a seaish platform tall-er, so fine
Rising over the great Sandcastle so fine

Ikea: got one down by the Sea for the greatest convenience
Ikea: selling furniture for those poor souls inbetween tents
Nobody has a home
Ikea won't have a home when the Sea gets high

So grab your bag and make no fuss
Cuegan had not much to discuss
In the land where the River is small and the Sea gets so high
And the Ikea watched them go
Wondering just what did Cuegan know
Leaving safe shores for much rougher ground where the raptorcats snarl

Ikea: got one down by the Sea for the greatest convenience
Ikea: selling furniture for those poor souls inbetween tents
Nobody has a home
Ikea won't have a home when the Sea gets high

Ikea: platforms, scaffolds
Ikea: dilgunnerangs
Ikea: ugh, steam bottles
Look out for the Sea!
Look out, Time to flee!

I'm sorry to say the Ikea's stuck
I saw the Sea and they're outta luck
It's too big and you know
That it does just whatever it wants
I checked back in to see what they'd do
But all that was left of the ocean view
Was a bucket, bobbing alone and it made me afraid

Ikea: got one down by the Sea for the greatest convenience
Ikea: selling furniture for those poor souls inbetween tents
Nobody has a home
Ikea won't have a home when the Sea gets high
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(With Apologies to Taylor Swift's "We Are Never Ever Ever Getting Back Together")
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I remember when I saw “Time” the first time
People sitting on an empty beach? So what?
So I went and read the hidden text
And it said to wait for “it”. (Huh?)
So I came back later just to check
And I was shocked to see the characters had moved (really?)
I had to check the forum to be sure
They said, “amazing”, “what is it?”, it’s genius”, “wait for it”

Ooh, a pixel changed again last night
And ooh, Really? I can’t believe we’re so excited

He is never ever ever gonna end this comic
He is never ever ever gonna end this comic
See a Newpix, ONG it, analyze it, clap with glee
But he is never ever ever ever gonna end this comic

Like, ever

So hundreds of us sit here posting thoughts
And we try to figure how it’s going to end
But we would really rather keep it going than
Return to a real life that’s more mundane than this

Ooh, a star was missing from the sky
And ooh, Really? I can’t believe that someone saw it

He is never ever ever gonna end this comic
He is never ever ever gonna end this comic
Write a double-dactyl in morse code and rot-13
But he is never ever ever ever gonna end this comic

Ooh, yeah, ooh yeah, ooh yeah
Oh oh oh

I used to think that I wanted this to be over
And I used to say, "Maybe tomorrow…”
(So I crawl out of bed and I like, reach for my mouse
And I’m like.. “ just… I mean, this is exhausting, you know, like,
He is never gonna end this comic. Like, ever.”)

No!

He is never ever ever gonna end this comic
He is never ever ever gonna end this comic
Blitz it, filk it, hat it, but in the end just wait for it
But he is never ever ever ever gonna end this comic. . .

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About frame numbering... (Too many messages to quote here.)
I also received a reply from Geekwagon, saying that the four missing meteor frames have been added, and that they're sticking to their sequential frame numbering.
I'm in two minds about the numbering. On the one hand, I can easily change my numbering to match Geekwagon's; but on the other hand, why should we change our canonical numbering to an Outside source of frame numbering, so that multiple OTTers will have to make changes to their scripts, newpix clocks and such? Also, if we do this, all OTT frame number references from the past wix will be incorrect. (Those that used Geekwagon's numbering are already incorrect, as 4 frames have now been inserted.)
Both numberings do make logical sense, though. If we do reach consensus that we should use Geekwagon's numbering, I'll change. (But I do want to hear from a few newpix clock authors first!) So far, it seems like there's more support for keeping it as it is, though.
(As for Geekwagon using the explainxkcd numbering, that doesn't seem to be the case, luckily; that one is simply too confusing and timezone-specific.)

Oh, and happy 150th, ZoomanSP! Thanks for the tasty cake. Here's some more:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby cellocgw » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:12 pm UTC

ChronosDragon wrote:
Latent22 wrote:
patzer wrote:
acunning40 wrote:CasCat's sister emailed Geekwagon last week, and got an email back today (Saturday) saying that the meteor frames were in the process of being fixed.

They are fixed now, and using the explainxkcd numbering system. I suggest mscha switches to the explainxkcd system too.

I'd prefer not to change numbering system just to match them. The real problem is the likes of geekwagon is not programmed to handle anything but sequential numbering and explainxkcd is not really trying to track the newpix numbers they are just listing the frames.

Treating the meteor frames as sub-newpix and not full ones just makes more sense. But it's making things a lot harder to track now :/

It all comes down to how we want to define a newpix/Timeframe etc and it seems standards are impossible to settle on here.


Yeah, isn't it 5?


"The great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from" [got that from some /. QOTD but I forget who said it.]
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Earthling on Mars » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:27 pm UTC

-blindpost from page 1021-

mscha wrote:No problem detectONG a fade...
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Hmm, not exactly what I expected...

I saw this, chuckled, and thought "ha ha, very funny mscha, nice manip."

Then I scrolled down and saw CasCat saying ninja'd.

It really is all white?! :shock:

... See you all after I ketchup.

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Re: 1190: "Time" Hypothesis

Postby charlie_grumbles » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:44 pm UTC

Took me a while to ketchup this morning (also watching the tour), but my hypothesis about Time, which I've had in the past and which I think has been discussed, is that the OTC is a metaphor for Climate Change/Global Warming. Cuegan are in a uniformly warm place, the Sea is rising and that is surprising to them. This could happen in the future as well as now, of course. It doesn't depend on tides, though many tidal effects will be amplified (Bangladesh, for example, and possibly Nova Scotia). There was probably some major disruption to ecosystems, given the scarcity of people and vegetation.

Earliest reference to global warming I found was by ChronosDragon on NP 196 (way way back). The discussion has recurred with many contributors, but the recent flashback seems to be evidence in that direction, though not conclusive, of course.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Rule110 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:52 pm UTC

Montov wrote:1 Kibi!
I made it. :P

And we have some closure of the sandcastle, but not what LaPetite was going to do what the material she brought in... Will we ever [k]now?


I've been assuming (along with most Waiters) that LaPetite was bring stuff to the sand castles. But it's just as likely she was scavenging. The flags, rope, pulley, etc. might have ended up as additions to the collection of stuff in the sledge-like or skiff-like thing she was dragging. But for some reason, not the bucket. Maybe the bucket fell off her swag pile? Or it's a cultural tradition in this world to always leave buckets behind?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:58 pm UTC

Predictions for next scene...

1) a rock formation or plant (something visually interesting)
2)
a) dialog revealing something interesting or profound (not just idle chat)
or.. b) some exciting 'event' either on frame or witnessed from afar.


charlie_grumbles wrote:Took me a while to ketchup this morning (also watching the tour), but my hypothesis about Time, which I've had in the past and which I think has been discussed, is that the OTC is a metaphor for Climate Change/Global Warming. Cuegan are in a uniformly warm place, the Sea is rising and that is surprising to them. This could happen in the future as well as now, of course.
It doesn't depend on tides, though many tidal effects will be amplified (Bangladesh, for example, and possibly Nova Scotia). There was probably some major disruption to ecosystems, given the scarcity of people and vegetation.

Earliest reference to global warming I found was by ChronosDragon on NP 196 (way way back). The discussion has recurred with many contributors, but the recent flashback seems to be evidence in that direction, though not conclusive, of course.


There was a short time I was in favor of this theory, but I think the water rise is too fast for that to be it. Also the 10,000 years in the future thing kind of makes global warming less interesting, but then again, maybe thats the point.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:10 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Arky » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:11 pm UTC

I'm happy enough to abide by the Geekwagon renumbering- it makes sense, and having frames outside the sequential numbering would just be a fudge to avoid changing numbers in wikis and so forth. Plus I use Geekwagon when I check and reference frames.

That said, it requires no effort on my part to use Geekwagon's revised numbers, whereas I imagine the effort factor is a bit higher for keepers of wikis and scripts and the like.

Anyone have an over-under for the number of frames before we get dialogue or a visual "event"? It's not that many days since the Long Morning which followed the Long Night and we also had the pan at the mountain plateau- what I'm saying is there's been enough frames of padding, so hopefully this journey segment doesn't go too long before something new happens! (waking up to a blank frame this morning has made me a bit more anxious than usual where the OTC is concerned)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:40 pm UTC

Arky wrote:I'm happy enough to abide by the Geekwagon renumbering- it makes sense, and having frames outside the sequential numbering would just be a fudge to avoid changing numbers in wikis and so forth. Plus I use Geekwagon when I check and reference frames.

That said, it requires no effort on my part to use Geekwagon's revised numbers, whereas I imagine the effort factor is a bit higher for keepers of wikis and scripts and the like.

Anyone have an over-under for the number of frames before we get dialogue or a visual "event"? It's not that many days since the Long Morning which followed the Long Night and we also had the pan at the mountain plateau- what I'm saying is there's been enough frames of padding, so hopefully this journey segment doesn't go too long before something new happens! (waking up to a blank frame this morning has made me a bit more anxious than usual where the OTC is concerned)


something within 5 frames. I think.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jjjdavidson » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:43 pm UTC

Stuffy finicky Carefully-thought-out position on frame numbering: I'm going to throw support behind mscha's "canonical" numbering, for a couple of reasons, one personal and one very general. First, all of my thinking about the passage of Outside time is day-based: how many days and hours since the first pix appeared? From mscha's numbering, it's a fairly trivial calculation to say, "This frame appeared on day x at y o'clock."

Second, and more important: Geekwagon does not include the so-called apocryphal frames! All the way back on day 6, there were three newpix that appeared, then were replaced by later images. The original frames are not at present available on the xkcd servers (at least, not under any known hash), but they clearly fall in sequence with surrounding frames, a minor but noticeable segment leading up to Megan's first nap. What if Randall restores these frames in the future? Is geekwagon going to renumber all the following frames (currently nearly 2400)?

mscha's numbering system has its flaws (I wish he'd started with zero :) ), but any system that tries to capture a sequence that a) is mostly but not reliably time-based and b) sometimes changes retroactively is going to have unavoidable flaws. mscha's system seems far more practical (and safer) than using a system that would be forced to change 90% of its numberings if Randall restores the apocryphal frames.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby CasCat » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:46 pm UTC

How fast IS the water rising? Can some smart and detail-oriented person tell how fast the sea is rising, from the brief glimpse we had of it (assuming the camera is in the same spot, of course). I mean, is the rise consistent with how fast it was rising before we left the castle (just barely noticeable over several dozen newpixes) or not?

I'm curious, and I admit I'm not patient enough to figure this out.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jjjdavidson » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:51 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:
charlie_grumbles wrote:[discusses global warming]
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Took me a while to ketchup this morning (also watching the tour), but my hypothesis about Time, which I've had in the past and which I think has been discussed, is that the OTC is a metaphor for Climate Change/Global Warming. Cuegan are in a uniformly warm place, the Sea is rising and that is surprising to them. This could happen in the future as well as now, of course.
It doesn't depend on tides, though many tidal effects will be amplified (Bangladesh, for example, and possibly Nova Scotia). There was probably some major disruption to ecosystems, given the scarcity of people and vegetation.

Earliest reference to global warming I found was by ChronosDragon on NP 196 (way way back). The discussion has recurred with many contributors, but the recent flashback seems to be evidence in that direction, though not conclusive, of course.

There was a short time I was in favor of this theory, but I think the water rise is too fast for that to be it. Also the 10,000 years in the future thing kind of makes global warming less interesting, but then again, maybe thats the point.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:08 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby fhorn » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:51 pm UTC

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It's been a quiet week in Lake Cuebegon (Wobemeg?)........
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Starting the Cueganid

Postby AnotherKevin » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:54 pm UTC

I came out of coma with Latin hexameters in my head. Anyone else want to help work out how Virgil might have told the story of Time?

[This post is edited now: with scansion I was obsessing:
Latin hexameters filled my head as I came out of coma.
Would others care to assist in a better pastiche of old Virgil?]

Megan and Cueball I sing, forced by the Sea's big expansion,
And by the pen of great Randall, fleeing their sandcastle mansion,
Trekking off to the unknown, far tracing the Sea's northern shore,
Then up the banks of the River, long days their backpacks they bore,
And in the meowlpy encounter, ere they won through to the summit,
Ere the brave Megan's stick thwacked and the meowlpy ran fast away from it,
Wounds she sustained, and so Cueball, resourceful though far he did roam,
Bound up her stick with a flag he had brought to remind them of home,
Where la Petite had appeared, conveying an aura of myst'ry,
Clouding the fate of their castle, and setting the scene for this hist'ry.

Muse! Now tell us the meaning: the purpose and cause let us know
For the tall wowtrees and meowlpies that never together did grow:
For the bright stars that now show us the wanderers temperate clime,
And by their Polar precession, place us in a far-future Time
Relate now to us the cause of the water's unfortunate rising:
Tell us who built the vineyard and left the shack so surprising!
But to Waiters' minds, admonition appears, still compelling:
"Wait for it" is the command: Randall nothing further is telling.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby fhorn » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:00 pm UTC

A lONG day's journey into flashes of light
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Tatiana » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:01 pm UTC

AnotherKevin, that is wonderful, great, neat, wow! I love it!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jjjdavidson » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:30 pm UTC

Snatching some time after blitzwrapping birthday presents:
21 xips ago, on NP856, jjjdavidson wrote:...we're nearly seven wips into the journey, and I can't shake the feeling that we're way overdue for a "chapter break": a change in the direction the story tension will take. I'm going to make a prediction: By Monday wip, after the next wipend, 9 xip from now, the focus will shift from their journey to [something different].
10 xips ago, on NP946, jjjdavidson wrote:12 xips ago I said I thought we were overdue for a chapter break, and predicted one by last Monxip. I still stand by my basic prediction, though I failed to figure for a Last Big Dramatic Action (namely, the rowrmolpy attack) that threw my time prediction off by several days. But I still think the Darkening will lead to a shift of narrative focus, quite soon now.

Okay, I could try to weasel out of this, saying that, in addition to three days of rowrmolpy attack (and recovery), my prediction has been further delayed by over a week of stars and snoozing. But after not one but two scene-change teases I think it's time for me to admit that with this prediction I totally blew it. I still think we're overdue for a narrative shift, but I don't think we're going to get it. Randall's locked onto the current story thread and is going to stay there for a while.

So I'll try two new predictions: ①: The dust Megan spotted is from their own people, who've abandoned their tents and moved to higher ground by a more direct route than Megball's exploratory path; ②: Prediction ① will be as incorrect as my last one. (Pretty sure I'll get one of these right.)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby rvloon » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:36 pm UTC

jjjdavidson wrote:
So I'll try two new predictions: ①: The dust Megan spotted is from their own people, who've abandoned their tents and moved to higher ground by a more direct route than Megball's exploratory path; ②: Prediction ① will be as incorrect as my last one. (Pretty sure I'll get one of these right.)


Right. Prediction 3: whoever the birthdaypresents are for will thwap you on the head for not concentrating on the wrapping 100% in lieu of a Stupid WebComic.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angelastic » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:54 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:
Tatiana wrote:I wonder if their Ikea at home is all flooded now, with boards warping and all. :(

I've been Waiting to ottify this song - now seems like a good Time. :)

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Long ago, some Time before
Cuegan began building on a shore
There were boxes and boards
Must have come from a furniture store
It's not too expensive, it's not at all
And they built a seaish platform tall-er, so fine
Rising over the great Sandcastle so fine

Ikea: got one down by the Sea for the greatest convenience
Ikea: selling furniture for those poor souls inbetween tents
Nobody has a home
Ikea won't have a home when the Sea gets high

So grab your bag and make no fuss
Cuegan had not much to discuss
In the land where the River is small and the Sea gets so high
And the Ikea watched them go
Wondering just what did Cuegan know
Leaving safe shores for much rougher ground where the raptorcats snarl

Ikea: got one down by the Sea for the greatest convenience
Ikea: selling furniture for those poor souls inbetween tents
Nobody has a home
Ikea won't have a home when the Sea gets high

Ikea: platforms, scaffolds
Ikea: dilgunnerangs
Ikea: ugh, steam bottles
Look out for the Sea!
Look out, Time to flee!

I'm sorry to say the Ikea's stuck
I saw the Sea and they're outta luck
It's too big and you know
That it does just whatever it wants
I checked back in to see what they'd do
But all that was left of the ocean view
Was a bucket, bobbing alone and it made me afraid

Ikea: got one down by the Sea for the greatest convenience
Ikea: selling furniture for those poor souls inbetween tents
Nobody has a home
Ikea won't have a home when the Sea gets high

Yay4! I have to admit I don't always read ottifications, because most of the time I don't know the song, or I've heard of the title but can't think of the tune or just know the chorus, and a lot of the time I'm not in a convenient place/time to listen to it wherever it's linked, so I think I'll go back and read it when I can listen to the original, but I never do (and I don't mind if people do the same with my ottifications; I guess the ones I've done so far aren't by artists that are especially well-known to people who live outside the internet.) But this one I know, and I was alone at home (ooh, maybe someone should ottify that song), so I sang it out loud on the first read-through.

I also listened to the song that Ebonite's ottody4 came from, and realised it's actually kind of distracting to listen to the original while reading the ottification; I feel like I couldn't properly appreciate either of them. I noticed the original song has more rhymes but the ottification has much better lyrics despite that. :D

I was thinking, watching this is a bit like astronomy. We can watch galaxies forming and such, and deduce things about what happened before, but even if we watch for a very long time we only see a small slice of it.


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Oh, I don't mention timifications very often but, Angelastic...
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Makes no difference where you are
Anything Munroe desires
Will come to you.

If your Megan's in a dream
No sky map is too extreme
When you wish upon a star
As dreamers do.

Wait is kind,
It brings to those to love
The explanation of
The ε7 setting.

Leaping molpy from the white?
Great Lord Randall does you right.
When you wish upon a star
You'll last the night.


Short and sweet neat! Keep up the 0 work! :)

Aww, thanks! :) And I read that just after writing things about other timifications, which I also don't mention very often.

I wonder if the things that LaPetite was dragging into the frame at the end of the first fade were buoys (made of hollowed-out heads) with which to measure the sea level rise. I doubt it.

Somebody just make a database converting the various human-readable frame numbers to their filenames (and perhaps Randall Standard Time post times, if we want to show that and/or interframe times along with embedded images), and make a simple interface that will return BBCode to link to or embed the specified image(s) (either directly the images, or any or all of the other sites), given a frame number and a numbering system (or even given a geekwagon/Aubronwood URL). I say image(s) because even a given frame number and numbering system could refer to either the current image with the hash on xkcd, or an older mustard/apocryphal version hosted elsewhere. Then instead of referring to frames by ambiguous numbers and letting people look up the images themselves, we can quickly and simply link to/embed them, leaving the frame number as just a hidden implementation detail. I mean it's nice to have a human-readable frame number to refer to frames by, but if the people reading the frame numbers have to go to some effort to remind themselves exactly which frame it was anyway, it may as well just be the hash.

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Ooh, could I have been partially right?

…there's another one of them further along…


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Earthling on Mars » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:59 pm UTC

fhorn wrote:A lONG day's journey into flashes of light
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Hmm, another tower, and flashes of light. Somebody suggested a signal tower a few pages back.
And Megball just walked past that elevated flattish spot with no comment. Looks like a piece of plywood laying on the ground.


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