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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby *Kat* » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:57 am UTC

The beanies make them look jewish to me. In ancient times the Jews were renowned for their medical skills.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby adnapemit » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:00 pm UTC

Some of the characters are similar to elvish but it doesn't quite match I think. :(
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:03 pm UTC

WAITONGFORTHEPASTETOTAKEEFFECT...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby xpatiate » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:04 pm UTC

Aww, Cueball has his hand on her shoulder. He knows when she says "not really" she means "like #@&*@^&^@#".

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:07 pm UTC

So maybe it was no paste, but ch*rping m*stard?
(i.e., m*stard that makes you ch*rp)
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Postby higgs-boson » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:10 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby pachinkoid » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:10 pm UTC

some of the symbols look decidedly like thai or khmer.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby libra » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:20 pm UTC

TheMinim wrote:I wonder how many of us have had birthdays during Time. I know I have.
Count me in. I completed n revolutions around the Sun on June 30th.
n-1 is a square number; n+1, a number divisible only by two primes, one of which is 3; n+3 is a prime.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby robbak » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:26 pm UTC

pachinkoid wrote:some of the symbols look decidedly like thai or khmer.
see: ความถูกต้องดีงามมิได้ขึ้นอยู่กับหลักการที่แน่นอน
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Yes, it definitely looks Asian. Georgian is another one that struck me as interesting. I only have access to typeset characters in these languages - I'd like to see what handwritten characters look like.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angelastic » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:29 pm UTC

How do I contribute to this Intercomical Phonetic Alphabet fund?

Sometimes the symbols are nossobs; I almost feel like I could read it as English right-to-left.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Wildhound » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:30 pm UTC

libra wrote:
TheMinim wrote:I wonder how many of us have had birthdays during Time. I know I have.
Count me in. I completed n revolutions around the Sun on June 30th.
n-1 is a square number; n+1, a number divisible only by two primes, one of which is 3; n+3 is a prime.


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby RudeDude » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:39 pm UTC

ZoomanSP wrote:However, we shouldn't neglect frequency analyses. For example, subjecting the Latin alphabet to a grouping similar to BlitzGirl's grouping of the Beanish characters might result in something like this (the assignment of some characters, like U, J, or K, may be debated):

The hills and valleys: AMNUVWXY
The sticks with curves: BDPR
The circulars: CGOQ
The rectangulars: EFHIJLT
The kay: K
The snakes: SZ

I don't know whether this might be helpful do decode English, or any other language written with Latin characters.


Hey everyone. Finally created a fora account. Been trawling whenever interesting ONG's happen (am I using that right?). The language has me especially intrigued because I know of a useful technique to apply. Hidden Markov Models conduct what is essentially a combination of both frequency analysis AND sequencing analysis. A nice introduction is available in ( 3wdot cs.sjsu.edu /~stamp /RUA /HMM.pdf )this document by Mark Stamp, you can skip the math if you want and look at section 8. HMMs are unsupervised learning, i.e. you don't need "ground truth" to build the model like you would with linear regression.

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Using an HMM to try and separate English characters (all lowercase and no punctuation) into 2 groups finds the class of "vowel" and "consonant" in a fully automated fashion. Although the model only knows it as "state 1" and "state 2" those who know English can see it is this way.


Anyway, thanks for the work of creating the Time-Wiki page about Beanish as I will try and use that data and will post results here later.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jjjdavidson » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:42 pm UTC

libra wrote:
TheMinim wrote:I wonder how many of us have had birthdays during Time. I know I have.
Count me in. I completed n revolutions around the Sun on June 30th.
n-1 is a square number; n+1, a number divisible only by two primes, one of which is 3; n+3 is a prime.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Flotter » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:44 pm UTC

libra wrote:
TheMinim wrote:I wonder how many of us have had birthdays during Time. I know I have.
Count me in. I completed n revolutions around the Sun on June 30th.
n-1 is a square number; n+1, a number divisible only by two primes, one of which is 3; n+3 is a prime.

Me too (different age).

We've had 106 daysh so far, so 29% of us should have had birthdays during Time.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SPACKlick » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:44 pm UTC

Wildhound wrote:
libra wrote:
TheMinim wrote:I wonder how many of us have had birthdays during Time. I know I have.
Count me in. I completed n revolutions around the Sun on June 30th.
n-1 is a square number; n+1, a number divisible only by two primes, one of which is 3; n+3 is a prime.


Happy belated 50th!

Woah Woah Woah, ageist.
Could be their 290th, 1,226th, 1,370th, 4,226th, 5,330th, 9,410th, 13,226th, 15,626th, 18,770th, 24,026th, 54,290th, 76730th, 82370th, 148226th, 165650th, 180626th, 225626th, 332930th, 442226th, 458330th.

OR even 508370th if we wanted to be silly.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:44 pm UTC

Whew, keught up, finally...

Great job on the linguistics front, y'all! I've nothing to add about that.
Just one thing: has anyone contacted the Unicode Consortium yet, to get the Beanish character set added?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Wildhound » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:48 pm UTC

Flotter wrote:
libra wrote:
TheMinim wrote:I wonder how many of us have had birthdays during Time. I know I have.
Count me in. I completed n revolutions around the Sun on June 30th.
n-1 is a square number; n+1, a number divisible only by two primes, one of which is 3; n+3 is a prime.

Me too (different age).

We've had 106 daysh so far, so 29% of us should have had birthdays during Time.


The OTC will need to run for 80% of its length again in order for me to have a birthday during it.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Whizbang » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:50 pm UTC

Just a reminder that once we figure out the alphabet, we may need to translate it out of Lojban.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taemyr » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:50 pm UTC

Wildhound wrote:
libra wrote:
TheMinim wrote:I wonder how many of us have had birthdays during Time. I know I have.
Count me in. I completed n revolutions around the Sun on June 30th.
n-1 is a square number; n+1, a number divisible only by two primes, one of which is 3; n+3 is a prime.


Happy belated 50th!


Or 122.- Although that is a bit unlikely. - In fact a quick check at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_people means that we can reject this option.

But there are also only two primes that divides 18. - 2 and 3. So 17 is a candidate. This isn't actually quite correct since it states "divisible only by two primes" rather than "divisible by only two primes". But since 51 is divisble by 1 and 50 in addition to the two primes 3 and 17 the strict interpretation would yield no candidates.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby CasCat » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:54 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:Posted whilst ketchuping about 8 NP, so I fully expect this ridiculous speculation about the Beanielang to be pre-Ninja'd.

We should take a look at the appendices to LoTR. He created about a quadrillion character sets for use by the various species proliferating across his books.


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I'm tolerably fluent in Tengwar (Tolkien's elvish runes) and used to be fluent in the Dwarvish runes as well. (I wrote, however, in English phonemes; I never learned Quenya.) This character set bears little resemblance to either, alas. (Not surprising; the geek quotient on this forum is high enough that if it had been that easy it would have been cracked by now.)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby LoonieSpace » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:59 pm UTC

OTC followers - a very good explainer and overview of the difficulties of decoding real ancient languages and scripts. Hope ours is not as difficult as most:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/rea ... dus-script

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:00 pm UTC

StandONG up...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Whizbang » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:09 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Wildhound » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:10 pm UTC

mscha wrote:StandONG up...
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It looks like she is testing it out. Hopefully the magic paste will do the job!

Re OTC live wallpaper:

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Has anyone else experienced this issue?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:14 pm UTC

Wildhound wrote:Re OTC live wallpaper:
I have had a report from a user of constant flickering rendering the wallpaper unusable. However, I can't reproduce the problem, so I'm not sure if it is my code, the device or something else.

I've seen it once or twice after exiting Angry Birds on my Nexus 7 tablet. It flickered for a few seconds until it had retrieved the latest one, and from then on it was stable again.
ETA: at least once in the latest version (1.02).
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby TheMinim » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:15 pm UTC

And I have got to NewPage 500,
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby higgs-boson » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:22 pm UTC

LoonieSpace wrote:OTC followers - a very good explainer and overview of the difficulties of decoding real ancient languages and scripts. Hope ours is not as difficult as most:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/rea ... dus-script


That leads to another idea: GLR quotes from an undeciphered script language and hopes the Cloud (that's us, d'oh) solves the problem.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Flado » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:32 pm UTC

ucim wrote:Yeah, that's the way I had recalled it. I thought I was wrong, but it turned out I was mistaken.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby thirds » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:36 pm UTC

mscha wrote:Just one thing: has anyone contacted the Unicode Consortium yet, to get the Beanish character set added?

I posted twice that I'd gone through everything and found no match. I looked through non-unicode alphabets for several ancient languages and haven't seen anything that matches.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby charlie_grumbles » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:43 pm UTC

taemyr wrote:
Wildhound wrote:
libra wrote:
TheMinim wrote:I wonder how many of us have had birthdays during Time. I know I have.
Count me in. I completed n revolutions around the Sun on June 30th.
n-1 is a square number; n+1, a number divisible only by two primes, one of which is 3; n+3 is a prime.


Happy belated 50th!


Or 122.- Although that is a bit unlikely. - In fact a quick check at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_people means that we can reject this option.

But there are also only two primes that divides 18. - 2 and 3. So 17 is a candidate. This isn't actually quite correct since it states "divisible only by two primes" rather than "divisible by only two primes". But since 51 is divisble by 1 and 50 in addition to the two primes 3 and 17 the strict interpretation would yield no candidates.

NEW PRIME DISCOVERED. 20 is prime!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Eutychus » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:44 pm UTC

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Hmm. Is she not trying to slow the earth's rotation?

If she's done that a few times in their past, it might explain all those problems with dating the night sky we had earlier.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby meerta » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:51 pm UTC

Think I chose the wrong time to post my astronomy question. It's all linguists now.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:52 pm UTC

thirds wrote:
mscha wrote:Just one thing: has anyone contacted the Unicode Consortium yet, to get the Beanish character set added?

I posted twice that I'd gone through everything and found no match. I looked through non-unicode alphabets for several ancient languages and haven't seen anything that matches.

I know, that's why we need them to add it.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Flotter » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:54 pm UTC

mscha wrote:
Wildhound wrote:Re OTC live wallpaper:
I have had a report from a user of constant flickering rendering the wallpaper unusable. However, I can't reproduce the problem, so I'm not sure if it is my code, the device or something else.

I've seen it once or twice after exiting Angry Birds on my Nexus 7 tablet. It flickered for a few seconds until it had retrieved the latest one, and from then on it was stable again.
ETA: at least once in the latest version (1.02).

I've never had any problems with it, but I only have an Android phone since last Saturday... Thanks for the app Wildhound (and mscha/NewPixBot for supplying the hash) :D

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edo » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:56 pm UTC

You know, if you look at language's evolution over the past 5000 years, it's amazing we can understand our protagonists.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Wildhound » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:58 pm UTC

mscha wrote:
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Wildhound wrote:Re OTC live wallpaper:
I have had a report from a user of constant flickering rendering the wallpaper unusable. However, I can't reproduce the problem, so I'm not sure if it is my code, the device or something else.

I've seen it once or twice after exiting Angry Birds on my Nexus 7 tablet. It flickered for a few seconds until it had retrieved the latest one, and from then on it was stable again.
ETA: at least once in the latest version (1.02).


Thanks mscha, this gives me a line of investigation. I think it may be related to the system destroying the surface when it needs memory for another application. I will have to do some testing this evening.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby foilman » Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:00 pm UTC

Thank you ONG.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jovialbard » Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:03 pm UTC

I hope she has insurance, or they'll probably cart her off to debtors prison...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby anabatica » Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:03 pm UTC

foilman wrote:Thank you ONG.
And now they'll all walk off.


You think? But what if these people know something about what's happening to the sea? I don't think Cuegan will forget their objective so quickly.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby cellocgw » Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:07 pm UTC

charlie_grumbles wrote:NEW PRIME DISCOVERED. 20 is prime!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, couldn't resist that.

No, really sorry.


hah. Conjecture #1: all odd numbers are prime. Proof: 3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is clearly an error on the part of the grad student in the lab, 11 is prime, 13 is prime, and the sequence is obvious.

Conjecture #2: all prime numbers are odd. Proof: The only prime number that is not odd is 2, which makes 2 pretty odd. QED.

BTW, even Optimus is prime! :mrgreen:

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