1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:13 pm UTC

taixzo wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote:I just decoma'd and what is going ONG?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:13 pm UTC

marchlight wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote:I just decoma'd and what is going ONG?
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What indeed o.O I went to the xkcd homepage to make sure you weren't screwing with us.


Same here! At first I was reminded of a world of goo style tower, actually...

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:14 pm UTC

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No clue.
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ETA: some kind of map? Triangulation, using their survey equipment? Ignore me, I don't know what I'm talking about.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby suzi » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:16 pm UTC

The squiggles in the bottom right look like coastline to me but otherwise, lol, wtf, etc

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby anabatica » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:17 pm UTC

Right, so we seem to have a new character, introduced in the last batch of Beanish speech. It looks a bit like the A but not enough. I'll assign it "p" for now since everything that looks like a 9 is already assigned.

That means that the food, and then the next batch of Beanish speech reads as follows, in our transliteration:

74'WS.

p3'7 34'pX.
p3'7 342bJ.
42bJ!

n.b. 42bJ probably means water and 342bJ probably means seawater.

I'm still not really okay with treating the half circle and the dot interchangeably, but until we come up with something better...

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby sford » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:23 pm UTC

mscha wrote:ETA: some kind of map? Triangulation, using their survey equipment?


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WOW! Yes, I think that might be right! From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangulation :
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It's not quite the same thing, but especially if the mountains only contain certain passes, you would only get "arms" of measurement.

Great thinking mscha!


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SinusPi » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:23 pm UTC

That's a triangulation map!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Eutychus » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:36 pm UTC

I hope they've checked those against the OTT map.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:37 pm UTC

suzi wrote:The squiggles in the bottom right look like coastline to me but otherwise, lol, wtf, etc

I agree. If the latticey triangles are on land, that would make the area under the squiggles a body of water (perhaps the Sea or a very seaish River, based on the squiggle in the lower right corner). I'm interested in that darker horizontal line that's located in the middle of that water, with the paler straight lines originating from it.

Of course, I have no idea what I'm talking about, so I might not even be close. Do we have any triangulation experts out there? :)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angelastic » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:42 pm UTC

Or it could be a diagram of the crystal structure of ice, and the beanie is talking about ice melting. But the triangulation map is more probable.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:46 pm UTC

Hey! If it's a triangulation map, then we will have relative dimensions for edfel's map!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby yappobiscuits » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:48 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mikrit » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:56 pm UTC

I was also thinking geodetic triangulation network.

But maybe the long arms in the network, which don't connect so well with each other, are more typical for a levelling network: used to determine ground elevations rather than 2D positions. That could explain why the Beanies keep track of the sea level, despite living far from the sea. On the other hand, the surveying towers do seem adapted for 2D triangulation.

Maybe in the next frame, Megan will say: "Oh, they are showing us their geodetic network."

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby IceIsNice » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:57 pm UTC

Now the question is: Are Cueball proficient enough in their geometry to recognize what the Beanies are trying to do with their surveys, or will they be simply mystified by the sketches?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:00 pm UTC

Some kind of mappONG!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Ximenez » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:00 pm UTC

Maybe the squiggling lines are for altitude? The bottom-right one would be the main observation point, the ziggurat, whatever, in the highest place. The top-left one would be the shoreline.

If Cuegan know about maps, maybe they will recognize some places.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Yuki » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:05 pm UTC

If they're trying to map things using surveying equipment, there's a decent chance that the "arms" that extend outward correspond to features of interest, such as trails or rivers.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:19 pm UTC

Whoa. :shock:

I honestly don't know if this is any more helpful, but at least it's more colorful:

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:21 pm UTC

Nice colourisation, BlitzGirl!
Has anyone tried comparing the map to Edfel's yet?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:30 pm UTC

mscha wrote:Nice colourisation, BlitzGirl!
Has anyone tried comparing the map to Edfel's yet?

I think everybody is doing that now....

On the colorized map, the purple dot may be where the didn't cross the "Pretty Neat River." That spot may now be under water.

If so, then if you follow that river upstream, you will get to two dots.

Since they did not cross a river, they must be heading for the large badly drawn dot.

Maybe.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Ximenez » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:07 pm UTC

JumblONG
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They know about maps. They know about triangles. Not as ignorant as we thought.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:12 pm UTC

Hmm. *looks at map again* I'm not exactly sure how the "triangle things" could be rivers.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Wildhound » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:13 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:Hmm. *looks at map again* I'm not exactly sure how the "triangle things" could be rivers.


They can't but Cuegan don't understand rivers.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:20 pm UTC

Wildhound wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote:Hmm. *looks at map again* I'm not exactly sure how the "triangle things" could be rivers.


They can't but Cuegan don't understand rivers.


They don't understand anything!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:23 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mikrit » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:24 pm UTC

Could be a schematic symbology for rivers.

Not that I believe it, but in Cuegan's culture, maps may be more schematic than in the Beanish culture, so Cueball can be excused for thinking that.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Ximenez » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:24 pm UTC

ChronosDragon wrote:
Wildhound wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote:Hmm. *looks at map again* I'm not exactly sure how the "triangle things" could be rivers.


They can't but Cuegan don't understand rivers.


They don't understand anything!

Not true! They know about maps and triangles. That means they understand some things. They think they don't understand anything.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Yuki » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:34 pm UTC

Wildhound wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote:Hmm. *looks at map again* I'm not exactly sure how the "triangle things" could be rivers.


They can't but Cuegan don't understand rivers.


If they're doing a survey using surveying equipment (like, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsden_theodolite ), then their map would consist of accurate measurements of the distances and elevations between two points. Or, more accurately, a network of pairs of points.

If they're trying to map a feature like a river, the most efficient way to do so would be to have one instrument on each side of the river, take a measurement, and then move one or the other of the instruments to get another measurement for a new location. If they did this repeatedly, moving their surveying equipment down the river, the resulting "map" would consist of a scaffolding like series of triangles following the course of the river, like you see in their map.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Wildhound » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:35 pm UTC

Ximenez wrote:
ChronosDragon wrote:
Wildhound wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote:Hmm. *looks at map again* I'm not exactly sure how the "triangle things" could be rivers.


They can't but Cuegan don't understand rivers.


They don't understand anything!

Not true! They know about maps and triangles. That means they understand some things. They think they don't understand anything.


I'm not convinced that "knowing about" constitutes understanding.

For example, I now know about triangulation maps, but I sure as hell don't understand them ;)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby fhorn » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:40 pm UTC

No sooner does the Newpix go up then our intrepid Waiters are ALL OVER THAT BAD BOY with a discussion of triangulation.
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I shifted some group names around: renamed closed nines to cues, and what were previously the open nines to curled nines.
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I'm not sure what to do with the seas, as they might be diacritic markings, but they are oddly placed. Compare these: Image Image
Each new speech ended with a horizontal line or two: Image Image Image Image
The word used by the Beanie in speech 14 (for the mystery food?), ImageImageImageImage also appears in speech 5 (the medicine name?) preceded by an epsilon: ImageImageImageImageImage
Speech 16 is interesting because the Beanie might be simplifying the words for Cuegan. It starts with two unknown words: ImageImageImage . ImageImageImageImage
Then changes the second word to an epsilon-modified one that we speculated might mean "sea" in Speech 12: ImageImageImage . ImageImageImageImageImage
And finally ends with the most-recognized word that Cuegan knows as "water": ImageImageImageImage

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Ximenez » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:44 pm UTC

fhorn wrote:*beams with pride, basking in reflected glow of others' genius despite total ignorance*

I can relate with that. Just look at what BlitzGirl posted a minute ago (and I'm going to read right know so I can bask some more).

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Re: 1190: "Time"

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This was today's passenger. Should be safe in her forever home now, I was the 4th of 6 drivers (and number 6 is actually the adopter). Of course, I missed some exciting stuff here, but thanks to the OTTers it is safely preserved for my ketchup. On another related note, apparently there was a meteor visible here the other night, but I was molpy down, and missed it.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SinusPi » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:53 pm UTC

Sinuslation time!

Image

I named the Image a "G". Also, 4-with-c seems like a modifier, but for now I'll just write it as "4c"... Maybe the X,C before was an X,c too..?

Wild shot for the last line... "This TheRivers. This TheWater/Sea. Water!" as in classifying their work as water-mapping or what..?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:01 pm UTC

Good Time-ONG:

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There's the ImageImage again... probably does mean "Yes."
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby fhorn » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:04 pm UTC

Ximenez wrote:
fhorn wrote:*beams with pride, basking in reflected glow of others' genius despite total ignorance*

I can relate with that. Just look at what BlitzGirl posted a minute ago (and I'm going to read right know so I can bask some more).

haha, Ximenez, I was attempting to bask in a slightly smaller, less-conspicuous font - but what the hell, might as well bask big and proud! I'm feeling especially sparkly given the latest display of talent shown by our Waiters.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:08 pm UTC

Look at Speech 13: ImageImageImage . ImageImageImageImage . ImageImage . ImageImageImageImageImage

It's identical to the long phrase in the current newpix except for the chair at the end of the second word.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SinusPi » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:13 pm UTC

I was beginning to worry that Beanish is actually random, since we had little to no phrases repeated. But, now it's an all-you-can-eat Beanish buffet!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby irino » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:14 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:Look at Speech 13: ImageImageImage . ImageImageImageImage . ImageImage . ImageImageImageImageImage

It's identical to the long phrase in the current newpix except for the chair at the end of the second word.

Idea: "Explain to them about big [translator guy]."

ETA: big


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