1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby yappobiscuits » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:04 am UTC

They understand nöthing?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby AnotherKevin » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:10 am UTC

taixzo wrote:It's not an original castle, in the sense that it was built as "I want to have a castle", rather than "We need to defend the nobility of this area against invasion, so let's build thick walls and guard towers." I don't think that Connecticut was ever a feudal system.


Bannerman Castle, on Pollepel Island in the Hudson River, comes closer. It was built as an arsenal, so its isolation and thick stone walls made some amount of sense.
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ChronosDragon wrote:I read that as
They understand nothing. Also they will tend to matters.


It also seems to me the dots above the N and O in nothing may be significant.
Also, below "also" seems to be though or perhaps tho as abbreviated on the internet


I read it as 'so', and the intersecting word as 'thus'.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Gedeon » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:10 am UTC

I think it is

"They understand nothing, so (thus) they will tend to matters".


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby neopifex » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:20 am UTC

AnotherKevin wrote:
ChronosDragon wrote:I read that as
They understand nothing. Also they will tend to matters.


It also seems to me the dots above the N and O in nothing may be significant.
Also, below "also" seems to be though or perhaps tho as abbreviated on the internet


I read it as 'so', and the intersecting word as 'thus'.
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Agreed. "Also" doesn't make a lot of sense, even in her bad Unglish.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Rule110 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:22 am UTC

ChronosDragon wrote:I read that as
They understand nothing. Also they will tend to matters.


It also seems to me the dots above the N and O in nothing may be significant.
Also, below "also" seems to be though or perhaps tho as abbreviated on the internet


Can be read as "also" or just "so," with the additional crossing choice "thus."

Charitable interpretation: "They can't understand us when we speak in your language, so they will go do other things while we chat."

Fun interpretation: "They understand nothing, being mere foolish minions. They may go about their little tasks. But you Mr. Bond seem like you might be able to appreciate the brilliance of my plan."
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby moody7277 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:25 am UTC

Attend to matters = give you dinner and a comfy place to sleep for the night?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:28 am UTC

moody7277 wrote:Attend to matters = give you dinner and a comfy place to sleep for the night?


Or report their observations from the survey tower to [insert scientific/political authority here]. They were out there for a reason, meeting Cuegan was a happy coincidence.
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Postby AluisioASG » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:37 am UTC

I have been thinking about Farrah's hair:
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It may be possible to do something where each frame gets a background music track assigned. The first version could then just have a relatively simple script that just detects if the frame its just gone to has the same track as before and if not it fades out the volume of the current track and starts the new track with a fade in. Then if you want to build the tune up you would have to render different versions with more and more parts added. But to do the full seamless multi-track system you would need a lot more code! Also it seems browser support is not so hot if your doing something complex like this and mobile devices may have issues etc. Could use something like flash which has much more robust audio support but I can't imagine going down that track really.

Will I be able to put that in my CV?

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Hey! Farrah speaks Captcha!

This has to be the funniest comment in the whole thread.

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NetWeasel wrote:Also on the "how can 10% of reals start with .9?" question (not Rule 110's question, BTW) -- if all real numbers can be represented in decimal notation, and if reals are distributed evenly across the number line, then how can they not??

in the numbers from 90 to 899, approximately 1.234% of numbers begin with 9.
in the numbers from 900 to 8999, approximately 1.234% of numbers begin with 9.
in the numbers from 9000 to 89999, approximately 1.234% of numbers begin with 9.
in the numbers from 90000 to 899999, approximately 1.234% of numbers begin with 9.
in the numbers from 900000 to 8999999, approximately 1.234% of numbers begin with 9.

it's quite clear that approximately 1.234% of all numbers begin with 9.

Looks like a very dangerous approach to me.

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charlie_grumbles wrote:Sorry, no. Since it 9's all the way out, they all disappear. You seem to have truncated the infinite decimal...

If you look really really closely, you'll see that that last nine's tail is just a little bit shorter. Tom17 was subtracting the dots from the nines above them, getting "small nines". After that, subtracting the dots from the dots yielded nothing (which is something you can't see).

The thing about infinity is that when you have an infinite number of things, you can have anything, including large nines and small nines (sometimes called ninnies). Once you have a large enough collection of ninnies, you're pretty much toast. :)

This is the kind of math people need :lol:

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'Coelho' comes to mind.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BytEfLUSh » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:37 am UTC

I may be going offtopic here... But had a great time at the city's summer festival. The countrys most famous rapper was scheduled, and I did like his music (when I was a child), so why not... I didn't know that he recently got a metal band as part of his entourage (I am a big fan of rock, though I also like metal), and the songs were better than ever. Then, everything kind of "exploded" (well, not literally :D) when the "after band" started playing RATM, SOAD, Korn and finally Tool. I've never heard Tool's "Parabol(a)" live before - but these guys nailed it, I think. I still can't really hear anything except loud noises and I believe I won't be able to speak for the next few days, but man... it was a great evening! :D
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby IceIsNice » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:37 am UTC

Rule110 wrote:"Your language is like those
Spoken by the (x) Difficult
But I learned it!"

I think the Beanies are the (x) in this speech, and Hypatia is saying she learned the Beanies' difficult language (and implying she can learn Megan and Cueball's too).


I like that theory. Farrah is not a Beanie, she's from yet another culture. She showed up, and for some reason, the Beanies have adopted her as their queen, or wizard, or overlord (quizord?). I get the sense that she's a powerful person (the emphasis on I not simply because it's an easy word, but because she thinks of herself (and the Beanies treat her) as a powerful person).

The whole overwritten language gives me the sense of multiple layers of sound and/or thought. Some have speculated on telepathic overtones, or the eerie voices you get from demons in the movies. I'd like to think that something like that is going on.... but when she talks to the Beanies, it's with normal text. *sigh*. It's probably just the more prosaic explanation of her halting speech patterns due to her limited familiarity with the language.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby robbak » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:39 am UTC

My current theory is that Rosetta learned Cuelish from old documents - maybe records from our day - and said "Your language is like those spoken by the (some idiom meaning the ones from long ago)" She would therefore have a good understanding of the language, but be unsure about how it is spoken.

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You've got your spoilers and urls tangled up, so clicking the spoiler redirects instantly.
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Re: Mayo Clinic

Postby DrSamCarter » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:53 am UTC

SBN wrote:
AluisioASG wrote:
And now, cakes again!

You've got your spoilers and urls tangled up, so clicking the spoiler redirects instantly.


The evil smilies suggest it was deliberate. :evil: :?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BytEfLUSh » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:53 am UTC

Prediction: There will be no dialogue in the next newpic, so I will have to coma.
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Re: Mayo Clinic

Postby taixzo » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:54 am UTC



Oooh, you are eeevil. :mrgreen:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby b2bomberkrh » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:04 am UTC

Your bags...

ETA Wish I had known how to post the newpix properly, you guys were slower than normal, I would have actually squeezed in.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ttscp » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:05 am UTC

bring your bags, ONG
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Edit: b2bomberkrh clearly has seen this, but didn't (couldn't?) post it? I don't know if it counts as a ninja, but I'm willing to give him/her credit.
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Re: Mayo Clinic

Postby DavidRa » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:07 am UTC

taixzo wrote:


Oooh, you are eeevil. :mrgreen:

It's not so bad. Click the spoiler and immediately hit the Esc key (as I understand it, causes most? all? browsers to stop loading and running scripts). Certainly works in Firefox. If you are on a tablet you're probably out of luck, though, unless you can click the Stop button quickly enough.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby b2bomberkrh » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:11 am UTC

Him. You can have the credit, since I didn't know how to get the image in. It was curious though, this was one of the times that happens every so often when I had to hit refresh in order to see the new picture. Every time it's appeared to be late, hitting refresh makes it pop up, but it only rarely happens that way. I speculate that's why it took longer than normal for someone to post the picture, and I got to sneak in. Besides which, I hadn't yet thought of an appropriate ONGly thing to say. I do notice the word pack underneath the word bag, for those keeping track of such things.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby AnotherKevin » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:12 am UTC

moody7277 wrote:Attend to matters = give you dinner and a comfy place to sleep for the night?


Or file their survey reports, perhaps.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ttscp » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:14 am UTC

b2bomberkrh wrote:Him. You can have the credit, since I didn't know how to get the image in. It was curious though, this was one of the times that happens every so often when I had to hit refresh in order to see the new picture. Every time it's appeared to be late, hitting refresh makes it pop up, but it only rarely happens that way. I speculate that's why it took longer than normal for someone to post the picture, and I got to sneak in. Besides which, I hadn't yet thought of an appropriate ONGly thing to say. I do notice the word pack underneath the word bag, for those keeping track of such things.

You'll notice my ONG wasn't the most clever either, but I've had ONGs before, so I'm happy to share.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BytEfLUSh » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:15 am UTC

ttscp wrote:bring your bags, ONG
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/time/b85d2417334340b04c5f9ef275b7e6532139c55b37f9826634845b3829711174.png
Edit: b2bomberkrh clearly has seen this, but didn't (couldn't?) post it? I don't know if it counts as a ninja, but I'm willing to give him/her credit.


Bags are also "packs", judging from vertical Beanglish.

This all reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqZNMvIEHhs for unknown reason. BAC too high?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SinusPi » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:24 am UTC

Time for some VERY late night analysis!

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I wrote out all known roots and "vowels".

Apparently we have 4 to 5 vowels - a convex arc [Xʾ], a concave arc [Xʿ], arc below [X̯ ] and a dot above [Ẋ].
Also, 22 roots so far.

This COULD, barely, map to a regular alphabet, with its 5 vowels and 21 consonants.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby b2bomberkrh » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:34 am UTC

BytEfLUSh wrote:
ttscp wrote:bring your bags, ONG
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/time/b85d2417334340b04c5f9ef275b7e6532139c55b37f9826634845b3829711174.png
Edit: b2bomberkrh clearly has seen this, but didn't (couldn't?) post it? I don't know if it counts as a ninja, but I'm willing to give him/her credit.


Bags are also "packs", judging from vertical Beanglish.

This all reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqZNMvIEHhs for unknown reason. BAC too high?


Now the pack background I DID ninja you on. But since I don't even know what ONG stands for, I think I'll get back to fruitlessly staring at Beanish symbols wondering how we can ever figure a language out if it isn't based on SOMETHING we know.

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Re: Mayo Clinic

Postby trolleypup » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:38 am UTC

AluisioASG wrote:I have been thinking about Farrah's hair:

My hair is a bit longer, but doesn't hang like that even when badly tangled. I'm guessing dreadlocks? Embiggening shows relatively few thick strands.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BytEfLUSh » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:38 am UTC

b2bomberkrh wrote:
BytEfLUSh wrote:
ttscp wrote:bring your bags, ONG
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/time/b85d2417334340b04c5f9ef275b7e6532139c55b37f9826634845b3829711174.png
Edit: b2bomberkrh clearly has seen this, but didn't (couldn't?) post it? I don't know if it counts as a ninja, but I'm willing to give him/her credit.


Bags are also "packs", judging from vertical Beanglish.

This all reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqZNMvIEHhs for unknown reason. BAC too high?


Now the pack background I DID ninja you on. But since I don't even know what ONG stands for, I think I'll get back to fruitlessly staring at Beanish symbols wondering how we can ever figure a language out if it isn't based on SOMETHING we know.


ONG: http://xkcd-time.wikia.com/wiki/ONG
I think it is a made-up language, but we're getting to it very fast.

If it isn't decoded by CET afternoon, I'll get right to it.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Davidy » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:39 am UTC

Ximenez wrote:
ChronosDragon wrote:I read that as
They understand nothing. Also (Though?) they will tend to matters.


It also seems to me the dots above the N and O in nothing may be significant.


"They understand nothing so they will tend to matters."


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BytEfLUSh » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:43 am UTC

BytEfLUSh wrote:If it isn't decoded by CET afternoon, I'll get right to it.

And by no means it was meant to say to be... ok, I'm bad at English, but I don't mean "Hey, if you don't decode it I will!"
I will just push more brainpower towards it, like all of you should. :D Though, I think it's more probable that any of you will decode it before I sober up :D
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Re: Mayo Clinic

Postby Eternal Density » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:44 am UTC

AluisioASG wrote:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:46 am UTC

SinusPi wrote:Time for some VERY late night analysis!

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I wrote out all known roots and "vowels".

Apparently we have 4 to 5 vowels - a convex arc [Xʾ], a concave arc [Xʿ], arc below [X̯ ] and a dot above [Ẋ].
Also, 22 roots so far.

This COULD, barely, map to a regular alphabet, with its 5 vowels and 21 consonants.


You can represent the latter two with Unicode: x̯ and ẋ.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BytEfLUSh » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:52 am UTC

Molpy down, and I though I could wait for a newpic...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby pelrigg » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:53 am UTC

Actually finally ketchuped for the day.
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@ BlueCrab; thanks for the photo of Jimi with the cake. I've never seen that one and I'm going to bet a good buddy of mine (who's also really into Jimi) hasn't seen it.
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This is directed at basically everybody (mood: miffed) (Take this with a grain of salt, please.)
I bumped this post (from NP 1116) in my "Beacon Beta" blindpost:
Chinchokmataa wrote:Has anyone created a table showing how the SinusPi transliteration works? That could be a super useful thing to have. Currently, I'm trying to piece it together from the examples.

And it doesn't look like anyone has answered it from NP 1126 (and it was not replied to in the intervening 10 NewPages.)
Is this any way to treat a new member to our tribe? Especially one who wants to help translate Beanish?

And then I saw this on NP 1127:
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Chinchokmataa wrote:Hello everyone! Long time lurker here making a first post onto the OTT. As someone working on a Linguistics major, I thought I might try my hand at an analysis of Beanish.

Here is my initial take:
--I suspect (but I am not 100%), that the representation here is an alphabet, as opposed to a syllabary (or abjad or what have you). I count about 44 separate characters, which is in line with an alphabet (that is about high-mid in terms of number of sounds; English as about 33 by the quick messy count I just did), but very low for a syllabary. However, we are only dealing with a small snippit of the language, so we could be missing something.
--The average symbol-to-word rate is about 3.09, which might mean that we are dealing with a language that prefers words of the general shape CVC (C=consonant, V=vowel) if we are dealing with an alphabet. Of course, a language that prefers words of the shape CVCVCV (as predicted by a syllabary) is not impossible by any means of the imagination.
--If beanish does use an alphabet, we might be able to identify the identity of some of the symbols. For example, all symbols used for single-symbol words would probably be vowels (unless it is a language that allows some consonants to be used as vowels, but those are rare).
--Some of the words seem to be related to each other by symbol additions/slight character modifications. Obviously, these guys should be looked into.
--I am certain that it has already been noted that several of the characters are different from each other by a small set of diacritics. I am not sure what exactly that means in terms of the sound system of Beanish, and it might be problematic for the alphabet interpretation. It seems like these letters should be related by the phonetic qualities, however, the question is how they are related. It might be useful to note that some of the symbols so far do not seem to use any diacritics, specifically U, N, and G, and some of the rotated variants, depending on interpretation.

That's all I have time for now. Note that this is being posted with very little ketchup, so people are welcome to tell me what has already been said on the issue. I'll keep working at it and see what I come up with.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby nsub1 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:56 am UTC

Font update to v0.03! The characters included are now: 2, 4, 9, b, d, g, J, L, N, & Z. Slow going, but forward progress! You can now type such words as dZL and Lg2, although they of course won't have the diacritics (presumed to be vowels).

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Re: Mayo Clinic

Postby yappobiscuits » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:00 am UTC

taixzo wrote:Oooh, you are eeevil. :mrgreen:

Oh go on, have another hob nob! :P
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby pelrigg » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:02 am UTC

CONG the bellhop

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Heavy Bags......
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:02 am UTC

pelrigg wrote:CONG the bellhop

Spoiler:
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Quick glance at this newpix made me think hairdo had turned back into beardo! Yeesh, she doesn't look very graceful from a front view :P
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby pelrigg » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:04 am UTC

ChronosDragon wrote:
pelrigg wrote:CONG the bellhop

Spoiler:
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Quick glance at this newpix made me think hairdo had turned back into beardo! Yeesh, she doesn't look very graceful from a front view :P


Now she does look like the dirt drawing at the campsite.

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And look at Beanie-2 (the survey Leader) looking back.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby a_s_h_e_n » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:07 am UTC

Looks like they'll be with the Beanies for a while

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BytEfLUSh » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:09 am UTC

Cueball took all of Megan's stuff in his own bag. So why are both of their bags suddenly heavy?

ETA: This doesn't make much sense. It's a trap. Try reading the Oracle's texts in Blade Runner, Matrix, Terminator sort-of-way. It does get a different feeling to it.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:13 am UTC

BytEfLUSh wrote:Cueball took all of Megan's stuff in his own bag. So why are both of their bags suddenly heavy?

ETA: This doesn't make much sense. It's a trap.


Perhaps the Beanies gave them food?
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