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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:59 pm UTC

I HOPE this isn't foreshadowing...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby AnotherKevin » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:00 pm UTC

nsub1 wrote:
AnotherKevin wrote:I see that the Geodetic Survey hasn't refreshed the description in over sixty years. The trail with the blue discs and the 'High Peak' sign are gone. The summer resort is long gone, and even its buildings burnt to the ground. Twilight Park is a private community, and does not welcome visitors, so the initial approach is now from a different direction. The wooden bridge fell into the stream and decayed years ago; I saw no sign of it. The trail with the blue disks has been unmaintained for decades but can still be followed - and I even found one rusted metal disk marking where the trail once was. Oh, and the surveyors were chirping speed demons. Three miles and two thousand feet of elevation gain, including some rock scrambling, described as "about 1-1/2 hour pack"? I guess they got to be in terrific shape from all that field work. It takes me nearly twice that.

The bronze disks set in bedrock are still very much there, giving the location of the control to first-order accuracy.

Off topic: the NGS generally relies on updates from state agencies and local surveyors for their database. As someone who seeks out survey markers for funsies, it's been really fun to see all this be talked about here in the OTT. A note, though; it looks as if the station marker is gone. Interestingly, with horizontally controlled stations, the drill hole the marker was in can be used, although to less accuracy than the disk. This isn't the case with true benchmarks, the vertically controlled stations.


OK, the station marker is gone. There's a cairn built of stones and aircraft wreckage right by where it should be. I thought the marker was under the cairn, so didn't think to look for the anchor hole. Shame on me.

The azimuth marker is buried in moss and soil from a mudslide, but I bet a couple of guys with a shovel could still find it.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Lawsome » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:00 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Renil » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:09 pm UTC

I've started transliterating beanish into a Canadian aboriginal syllabic.

ᔪᘊᖚᐧ ᘛᔭᐤ = d36' Ub?
ᔪᘝᓄᐧ = dAJ'
,ᔪ = ,d
ᒣᖉ = 7X
ᖊᐣᖽ = W'N
ᖽᘛᕋᐤ = NUq?
ᓭᘈ ᘊᒣᓭᐧᖊᔑ ᘝᘊᓭᒣᖊᐣᖗᐨ = 4M 374'WS A347W'9.
ᘊᖚᐧ ᘊᘖᑫᘖᒣᐣᖚ ᘡ ᓴᔅᐧ ᘊᖚ,ᕋᐨ = 36' 32g27'6 U 4"' 36g,q.
ᖚᑫᘖ ᓭᐧᖚ = 6g2 4'6
ᓭᘖᔭᓄᐨ = 42bJ.
ᖉ,ᑦᐦ = X,c!
ᓭᘖᔭᓄᐦ = 42bJ!
ᔪᖉᔭᑫ ᘊᖚᐧ ᘊᓭᐧᖚᐤ = dXbg 36' 34'6?
ᒼᖸᖽᐣ ᔭ = 'MN' b
ᘝᖽᒣ ᓭᘖᒼ ᖊᘊᐤ = AN7 42' W3?
ᕋᖗ ᘝᙉᖉᔭ ᘖᐣ ᖗᔭᐢ ᘊᓭᘖᔭᓄᐤ = q9 AQXb 2' 9b, 342bJ?
ᖽᔑᐣᘖ ᖚᐧᘖᖗᑫ ᘝᐣᖽ ᘊᒣᒼᖽᘝᐨ = NS'2 6'29g A'N 37'NA.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ttscp » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:12 pm UTC

Latent22 wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote:Mustard! Chirping mustard! Chirpety chirp CHIRP!

Why in Randall's name is all of this excitement in the OTC happening now, the one wip of the entire year when I will have no wifi? Aside from having to blitz over 50 newpages (that's definitely too seaish to be mere ketchup) on my phone, I find that the title text has changed(!) not once, but twice(!!).

Chirp. Anyway, I've read the OTT to this point, but the actual wedding is finally happening tomorrip, so no doubt I will rapidly fall behind again. *sigh*

Minister: Do you Michelle take this Man to be your husband. To honor and..
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Minister: oh sorry I mean gods sake. Have they found out if their family drowned yet?
BlitzGirl: .....

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby CasCat » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:12 pm UTC

highwater wrote:Having only recently wandered inside, I feel the need to delurk to remark that the word "Journey" in newpix m2917 is superimposed with what appears to be a Beanish "9". I have noticed shapes reminiscent of Beanish letters in my three latest seenpix, as well, but am feeling too comaish to catalog them at this time.

I am attempting to ketchup, but have only reached newpage 1154. These are exciting Times, indeed.

P.S. - is there a different word for de-lurking if one had not previously registered for the One True Forum?


Throwing first-post forward. I dunno if there's a word for it; I delurked after blitzreading the whole thing; only registered afterwards so I could comment.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Febrion » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:16 pm UTC

You know, this really reminds me of the feel at the great whitening, the flurry of excitement, along with an increasing amount of de-lurking, just in case this really is the end of time...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby myhelfy » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:20 pm UTC

Latent22 wrote:Found a few more first time posters that have just been approved so bringing them forward.
myhelfy wrote:
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I am disgustingly filled with admiration. For everything. Everywhere. All over.

I know there's crazy-huge-exciting things happening in the OTC right now and that's a bad time for a forever-lurker (i.e., since the first page of this thread was *the* page of this thread) to make a first post that isn't directly working through a current dilemma, but this whole journey Randall's taken us on has left me increasingly impressed. Not just with him -- I think we've long known how stunningly creative, intelligent and meticulous he is, and how varied and wide-ranging his mastery is of a huge range of subjects. But with... us.

Or, well, you. I just got here as a poster. :)

I know this kinda thing has been said before -- at this point in the thread, I feel almost like every topic in existence has likely been said before -- but I have absolutely adored seeing how this thread has evolved with the story, and how different posters have come out of the woodwork to offer whatever expertise they have that matches the scene folks are analyzing. From...

  • the initial programming (and subsequent improvement work) done to track newpix and compare differences from one to the next;
  • to the architecture analysis as the sandcastle was built;
  • to the cartography work as Cuegan began their travels;
  • to the identification and classification of vegetation/animals and the attempt to place them geographically;
  • to the absolutely incredible star-chart analyses;
  • to the intricate dissection of a language heretofore unseen by man or beast;
  • to the ultimate pinpointing of Cuegan's specific location and time in Earth's history;
  • to the attempts to de-mustard Rosetta's halting translations (which is, at last, the one thing in the OTC that I feel I can finally do pretty well by myself, instead of waiting for others to do the expert analysis for me);
  • and everything else in between (including all the off-topic, colorful stuff, not least of which includes the development of what's nearly become an internal dialect only understood by people who post/lurk in this thread),

the entire comic -- and the epic thread I feel honored have an excuse to finally post in -- has highlighted the passion, the expertise, the diversity and the camaraderie of a stunningly large and diverse array of people from around the world. I'm amazed, and I'm humbled, and I'm tremendously thankful to all of you for the mind-boggling amount that I've learned about our past, our possible future, and the myriad pieces of knowledge and brilliance that each of us hold in our minds (and fingers) and choose to bring forward in order to educate, enlighten and share with their community.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. And to Randall for making it all happen. :)

Welcome :)

You -- and all of you who comb back through the thread to find belated firstposters -- are super; thank you for dragging us out of the past into which we were immediately thrust. :)

moody7277 wrote:I would have guessed that the city gate would have been locked and/or guarded, especially as it's evening heading towards sundown.

I duno. I don't get the sense this is a particularly violent group of societies here (ironic, considering their proximity to the Basque region -- though I suppose most every area inhabited by humans has seen its share of conflict). We haven't seen any weapons among the Beanies in or outside their adopted castle, and the ones outside don't appear to be guarding or patrolling, they're just chillin'.

Even the Forty and their nemeses up in the hills don't appear to actually be in a state of war, or even anything close. The calm and ease with which Cuegan built their sand castle over the span of days suggests the hillfolk never raid the shore.

Also, I mean... How many of us thought that when they first encountered the Beanies and ran to them, they'd immediately be taken into custody or at least treated with suspicion? There's no presumption of suspicion or animus among any of these people.

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I haven't had much time the last days to spend with Time and missed the whole exciting yesterdix. It is a rather apocalyptic ending for a nice day at the beach building sandcastles.


OK, so, I really wonder about this. Is this not extremely likely? And as a side effect of the Beanies -- or, as I like to call them inside my brain, Rosetta and the Stones -- choosing to camp out on what will shortly become a VERY small island, is there not a serious risk that the whole area's about to look an awful lot like Noah's ark or that scene from Ice Age?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Nilpferdschaf » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:34 pm UTC

myhelfy wrote:
Sciscitor wrote:I espect them to be met with an incoming rush of molpies. All the molpy-fowl, rabtors, beesnakes, raptor-molpies, chirpies, pokeymolpies, molpysnakes, meowlpies and mousemoplies they've met on their hike will try to flee the flood. Of course most of them will be much too slow :( . As will be the magnificent wowtrees.
I haven't had much time the last days to spend with Time and missed the whole exciting yesterdix. It is a rather apocalyptic ending for a nice day at the beach building sandcastles.


OK, so, I really wonder about this. Is this not extremely likely? And as a side effect of the Beanies -- or, as I like to call them inside my brain, Rosetta and the Stones -- choosing to camp out on what will shortly become a VERY small island, is there not a serious risk that the whole area's about to look an awful lot like Noah's ark or that scene from Ice Age?


Assuming they are at Château d'If, there must be a VERY good reason why they would risk being trapped on an island during a flood rather than walking a few kilometers to settle on the continent. We haven't seen any indication of a beanish military, so even with the occasional big cat attack, they don't seem to have much trouble with meowlpys or other humans, why would they not want to be connected to the mainland?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:37 pm UTC

After sleeping on the problem, I have a few observations.

1. From Rosetta's viewpoint, at the old coast of Marsielles (hello, Parrotheads!), two people show up who say they live at the beach. When told of the coming cataclysm, the beach people say that will take years to happen. Rosetta replies that it will be (WILL BE, not is) a matter of days, not years. Between those two terms is "weeks" and "months."
It might be days before the coast is flooded up to, maybe the Shack of the Raptorcat Attack. Then weeks to the first of the Beanie Towers, then months to get to the fortress. Still too late for Rosetta to risk her people to go all the way down to the bottomlands, but not for Cuegan.

2. Unless the Beanies have Replicator TechnologyTM they are NOT going to leave as much tech just lying around to be destroyed as it looks like they have left down at the encampment. They have GOT to be sending carts (if they have them) around to dismantle those camps. (That can't be the only camp.) Besides, they're going to want to observe and record this anyway. It's very possible that when Cuegan wake up, the Beanies will be there with their carts & equipment -- possibly a guilt-ridden Rosetta as well. (No TVTropes link here, no matter how tempting)

3. Once they reach the Raptorcat Attack Shack, edfel's map http://edfel.atwebpages.com/Time-Map.php will be a valuable resource -- thanks, edfel!!

4. By using the Time Viewers, we can actually look ahead by looking behind, to see how much further they have to go, and how the land slopes. Remember, any hills/dunes will become islands before they become sea floor.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jolleychris » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:44 pm UTC

Random, off topic, but does the castle we've seen count as "outdated millitary"
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:57 pm UTC

Nilpferdschaf wrote:Assuming they are at Château d'If, there must be a VERY good reason why they would risk being trapped on an island during a flood rather than walking a few kilometers to settle on the continent. We haven't seen any indication of a beanish military, so even with the occasional big cat attack, they don't seem to have much trouble with meowlpys or other humans, why would they not want to be connected to the mainland?

Well, first off, castles are cool. Second, the castle walls can protect them from most of the critters.

Another point is, if they have the tech (which we do not know if they do), now is the best time to build a bridge of wood or stone, or creating mighty earthworks to make the island into a peninsula. Actually, we didn't get to see that side of the soon-to-be-island; maybe they already did.

ETA: Also, any underwater cities you want to build, it would be much easier right now than next year....
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:02 pm UTC

...and we were runnONG, and runnONG...
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RUN.

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Re: Basin Run

Postby mscha » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:13 pm UTC

nerdsniped wrote:Basin Run
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I've been runnin' all night, the sweat's wet on my brow
There's a voice in my head, that drives me down
It's our people callin', says, "we need you here"
And it's half past four, and we're shifting gear

When the dam breaks and the water comes a flood,
And Rosetta laid it out from above
Don't need no horse at all
We're on a thing that's called a Basin Run
We're gonna sprint all the way there, Basin Run

The night sky's spinning, spinning along
Antares is missing, that must be wrong
The stars have got me hypnotized
And we're speeding into a new sunrise

When the water comes, rising up the bluff
We'll come running, comin' in from above
Don't need no buggy at all
We're on a thing that's called a Basin Run
We're gonna sprint all the way there, Basin Run

No more speed, we're almost there
Shoreline's changed, now gotta take care
Last hill to pass, here we go
And the water's rising from below

In my mind, that forgotten song
Our ancestors sang when they moved along
Can't pack up the tents -- water's too strong
Yet another home is gone

When the water rises, and you're not sure what to do
We'll come running, running down to you
We don't need no motor at all
We're on a thing called a Basin Run
We climbed up to the sky
Now we're on long, long Basin Run
We're on a thing that's called a Basin Run

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:16 pm UTC

It's the Tree of Contemplation!

No Time to reflect; it's Time now to RUN. (And to get wedding hairdo did and blitz on my phone.)

But I suppose it won't matter since soon the Tree will be under seawater. :(
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Zorin_75 » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:29 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:It's the Tree of Contemplation!

No Time to reflect; it's Time now to RUN. (And to get wedding hairdo did and blitz on my phone.)

But I suppose it won't matter since soon the Tree will be under seawater. :(

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:34 pm UTC

Zorin_75 wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote:It's the Tree of Contemplation!

No Time to reflect; it's Time now to RUN. (And to get wedding hairdo did and blitz on my phone.)

But I suppose it won't matter since soon the Tree will be under seawater. :(

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ahecht » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:41 pm UTC

neopifex wrote:
Arky wrote:Oh, and the idea that the tiny bit of castle crumbling was an earthquake opening the gate is preposterous. The sea must have been rising, and the Beanies doing their surveys and reaching conclusions about the shoreline, for much longer than the time it took Cueball and Megan to build a sandcastle and walk a few hundred kilometres.


Pardon me while I get a little defensive.

Go back and look at those frames between when Cuegan leave to swim and come back.
Using Geekwagon numbering starting here: http://geekwagon.net/projects/xkcd1190/?frame=171

    171 - Cuegan walk towards the water. The water is completely still. Note that the sea has not started rising yet.
    172 - They have left the frame but enough time has passed that the water is still again. They must also be far enough from shore to not cause waves to reach the shoreline.
    173 - The bit of castle falls down. Tiny ripples can be seen in the water.
    174 - The water is still again.
    175 - Megan appears. Ripples in the water behind her.
    176 - Cueball enters the frame. More ripples in the water.
    177 through 179 - The water is still.
    180 - If you use Geekwagon's "Previous Frame Difference" feature and zoom in very close, you will start noticing otherwise-imperceptible changes in the water level.
From this point on, the water is rising and always shows evidence of ripples or waves.

Whether the castle damage and water ripples were caused by a distant earthquake or immense mudslide at the berm, something caused them to happen. They are far enough away that such an event would barely be noticeable to people (if at all), but wet sand and still water could conceivably be affected by it. Seismic waves can travel very long distances underground, resurfacing far from the epicenter.

The Beanies, Rosetta and her students knew about the ocean seeping through the berm at the strait of Gibraltar for some time. They had enough warning that they were able to survey the region, rebuild the fortress they found and warn inhabitants while they were at it. Something big enough to keep the Atlantic and Mediterranean separate would take quite some time to open up unless water was seeping into it, eroding it from the inside (which is what can happen with earthen dams, for example). If seepage was happening, eventually the berm would collapse and a massive volume of water would pour through, causing mudslides around the breach and probably a big impact where the water hits the dry sea floor.

An earthquake (that part of the world has quite a few active faults) would have caused the wet soil in the berm to liquify and move very easily, causing a collapse and letting the Atlantic back in.

I'd be willing to bet that, if GLR deems us worthy to know what caused the berm to fail, it will have been something big enough to cause the evidence we saw at Cuegan's beach.


Didn't the sea rise between 21 and 22?

The ripples and castle bit falling could just as easily have been been a gust of wind rather than an earthquake.

If the dam did burst with the earthquake, it would be quite some time (hours?) before the sea level began to rise that far away. Water in nature never really flows more than about 70mph, while the slowest earthquake waves are about 4500mph.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HES » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:53 pm UTC

NetWeasel wrote:Well, first off, castles are cool.

No need for a secondly. Just this.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:53 pm UTC

What happened with Megan's knee? I understand that she's got other things to worry about, but just a couple of hoursInside ago, it was still bothering her, and now she's running on it? Also, there's no sign of the bandage anymore.
Oh, wait. That's what she did in frame 2852, removing the bandage.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby moody7277 » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:55 pm UTC

mscha wrote:What happened with Megan's knee? I understand that she's got other things to worry about, but just a couple of hoursInside ago, it was still bothering her, and now she's running on it? Also, there's no sign of the bandage anymore.
Oh, wait. That's what she did in frame 2852, removing the bandage.


I guess adrenaline make a great temporary analgesic.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby KeonSkyfire » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:01 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:02 pm UTC

Hey folks I'm back! (at least to a place with WiFi)

So while I was away I built a sandcastle and watched the tide wash it away. Didn't miss much did I? :)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:09 pm UTC

ahecht wrote:
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Arky wrote:Oh, and the idea that the tiny bit of castle crumbling was an earthquake opening the gate is preposterous. The sea must have been rising, and the Beanies doing their surveys and reaching conclusions about the shoreline, for much longer than the time it took Cueball and Megan to build a sandcastle and walk a few hundred kilometres.


Pardon me while I get a little defensive.

Go back and look at those frames between when Cuegan leave to swim and come back.
Using heretical and evil Geekwagon numbering starting here: http://geekwagon.net/projects/xkcd1190/?frame=171

    171 - Cuegan walk towards the water. The water is completely still. Note that the sea has not started rising yet.
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    172 - They have left the frame but enough time has passed that the water is still again. They must also be far enough from shore to not cause waves to reach the shoreline.
    173 - The bit of castle falls down. Tiny ripples can be seen in the water.
    174 - The water is still again.
    175 - Megan appears. Ripples in the water behind her.
    176 - Cueball enters the frame. More ripples in the water.
    177 through 179 - The water is still.
    180 - If you use Geekwagon's "Previous Frame Difference" feature and zoom in very close, you will start noticing otherwise-imperceptible changes in the water level.
From this point on, the water is rising and always shows evidence of ripples or waves.

Whether the castle damage and water ripples were caused by a distant earthquake or immense mudslide at the berm, something caused them to happen. They are far enough away that such an event would barely be noticeable to people (if at all), but wet sand and still water could conceivably be affected by it. Seismic waves can travel very long distances underground, resurfacing far from the epicenter.

The Beanies, Rosetta and her students knew about the ocean seeping through the berm at the strait of Gibraltar for some time. They had enough warning that they were able to survey the region, rebuild the fortress they found and warn inhabitants while they were at it. Something big enough to keep the Atlantic and Mediterranean separate would take quite some time to open up unless water was seeping into it, eroding it from the inside (which is what can happen with earthen dams, for example). If seepage was happening, eventually the berm would collapse and a massive volume of water would pour through, causing mudslides around the breach and probably a big impact where the water hits the dry sea floor.

An earthquake (that part of the world has quite a few active faults) would have caused the wet soil in the berm to liquify and move very easily, causing a collapse and letting the Atlantic back in.

I'd be willing to bet that, if GLR deems us worthy to know what caused the berm to fail, it will have been something big enough to cause the evidence we saw at Cuegan's beach.

Didn't the sea rise between 21 and 22?

The ripples and castle bit falling could just as easily have been been a gust of wind rather than an earthquake.

If the dam did burst with the earthquake, it would be quite some time (hours?) before the sea level began to rise that far away. Water in nature never really flows more than about 70mph, while the slowest earthquake waves are about 4500mph.

If you look at this old video, you can clearly see the sea level rise.
Indeed, up to the swimming, there was no significant change. Around the swimming, it rose a bit, then held steady, and a bit later it started rising again, irregularly at first, but steadily later.

I still think this is an unlikely theory, but there is certainly evidence pointing in that direction.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Ximenez » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:09 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:Hey folks I'm back! (at least to a place with WiFi)

So while I was away I built a sandcastle and watched the tide wash it away. Didn't miss much did I? :)


Welcome back, Kieryn. Take it easy, nothing happened. :wink:

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:10 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:Hey folks I'm back! (at least to a place with WiFi)
So while I was away I built a sandcastle and watched the tide wash it away. Didn't miss much did I? :)

Welcome back, Kieryn. Naah, everything is pretty much the way it was last time you were here. Image
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby buffygirl » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:10 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:10 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:Hey folks I'm back! (at least to a place with WiFi)

So while I was away I built a sandcastle and watched the tide wash it away. Didn't miss much did I? :)


Hey, Kieryn! UH...well...you may have missed a cataclysmic realization which could potentially bring about the end of Time as we know it. But besides that, not much!

Hey, now that you're in wifi, are we going to finally get some NewData? :)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:11 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:Hey folks I'm back! (at least to a place with WiFi)

So while I was away I built a sandcastle and watched the tide wash it away. Didn't miss much did I? :)


Now you must drain an ocean and build a saltcastle at the bottom!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:18 pm UTC

There's another “scene shift” compared to last time we were here:
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This time, though, if shifted not only right, but also down. Hmm, is the land sinking because of the weight of the water from the growing sea?

(No trace of the molbbit or beesnake, this time around.)
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Re: 1190: "Time" TdF Update

Postby charlie_grumbles » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:21 pm UTC

Stage 20
Froome keeps yellow for the day and for the tour. The day was won by Nairo Quintana from Columbia, the youngest rider in the race (23y), who is very small and light. He looks like a kid, actually. This is his first tour and he has a great future. He wins the white jersey and the polka dot jersey (moving ahead today) and will have those honors in Paris.

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Today was the last day of real racing and all jerseys were settled. The polka dots will go to the day's winner. Rolland tried hard (too hard) to get them, but came up short at the end as there were a lot of points for the winner at this mountaintop finish.

The first 67 riders finished singly or in small groups. The first sizable group was at 18'26". This is what a mountain on narrow roads will do. The last rider in was at 28'47". The current Lantern Rouge (last rider overall) is at 4hours 24' 39". He (Svein Tuft) may or may not hold the "honor" tomorrow. He crashed heavily yesterday and struggled to finish then and today.

Peter Sagan got the last few points today to guarantee keeping the green jersey at the end of the tour. He has an interesting personality: As arrogant as you please, but also something of a clown. The first statement is mitigated by the fact that he earns the right to be arrogant. His overall GC isn't very high, but overall he is a great racer. He finished today with several teammates, himself doing a "wheelie" at the top of the mountain and a sliding skier like stop. Cavendish is currently 102 points behind Sagan, but there are a few tomorrow, including the finish. But not enough to affect the overall result. Greipel is third, another 50 points back.

Pierre Rolland tried hard to finally earn and keep the polkadots. He wore the jersey today as second to Froome. He fouled another rider at the top of one of the climbs today, but the judges awarded him the points, judging that it was unintentional. Had they ruled the other way, the penalty could have been severe. He finishes third overall for the polkadots behind Quintana and Froome.

Jens Voigt is the oldest rider this year (almost 42) and led most of the day, winning the fighting spirit award, but not the stage victory. He was caught on the last climb with only 8.5km to go. He has been such a consistent performer in the tour that I can't remember when he wasn't part of it. He wore the yellow jersey for one day in 2001.

Contador couldn't keep up and moved from 2nd overall to 4th. Cadel Evans and Andy Schleck finish well back. Contador's teammate Roman Kreuziger is fifth overall. Their team is the only one with two in the top ten overall.

Joaquim Rodriguez from Barcelona rode a hard race and finished second today, and third overall. Froome, Quintana, and Rodrigues rode together for a long way up the final climb.

Nairo Quintana gets his first stage win in his first Tour and wins two jerseys: white and polkadots. He is someone to watch in the future, but will need a good team. Again, as a new rider he came in support of Movistar, but finishes ahead of the captain Alejandro Valverde.

Andy Talansky the US rider finishes tenth overall for the tour. He is a young rider who came for support to Garmin Sharp but is their highest finisher. He is second in the young rider category, 13'19" behind Quintana.

Saxo-Tinkoff (Contador's team) will take the team award.

Tomorrow, the last day. It is traditionally a parade. There are two unimportant points for polkadots and a few for green, but the jerseys are settled. Essentially only illness of a rider can change it. If you finish you get the jersey. Tomorrow is 133.5km, mostly flat, starting at 1745 continental. Not a misprint. A late race. Finishing around 5 hours later. They have a sort of champagne brunch along the way (while riding)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kieryn » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:23 pm UTC

ChronosDragon wrote:
Kieryn wrote:Hey folks I'm back! (at least to a place with WiFi)

So while I was away I built a sandcastle and watched the tide wash it away. Didn't miss much did I? :)


Hey, Kieryn! UH...well...you may have missed a cataclysmic realization which could potentially bring about the end of Time as we know it. But besides that, not much!

Hey, now that you're in wifi, are we going to finally get some NewData? :)



Alas all of my code is on my machine back in NY ... One more week before new data again... Probably next Sunday.

Yes I know I missed what is pretty much the final reveal of the story.. I caught up with the OTC this morning at a cafe. However I'm blind by about 150 or more pages and in no place to blitz... Have there been any extra epic revalations, theories or art etc from us in the past week or so?

seems like the two act story is the one that's unfolding.. The final chase scene is underway... will they save la petite or not is the question on my mind.


Edit.. Oh and if were stil counting 700 yay! :)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:29 pm UTC

Kieryn wrote:
ChronosDragon wrote:
Kieryn wrote:Hey folks I'm back! (at least to a place with WiFi)

So while I was away I built a sandcastle and watched the tide wash it away. Didn't miss much did I? :)


Hey, Kieryn! UH...well...you may have missed a cataclysmic realization which could potentially bring about the end of Time as we know it. But besides that, not much!

Hey, now that you're in wifi, are we going to finally get some NewData? :)



Alas all of my code is on my machine back in NY ... One more week before new data again... Probably next Sunday.

Yes I know I missed what is pretty much the final reveal of the story.. I caught up with the OTC this morning at a cafe. However I'm blind by about 150 or more pages and in no place to blitz... Have there been any extra epic revalations, theories or art etc from us in the past week or so?

seems like the two act story is the one that's unfolding.. The final chase scene is underway... will they save la petite or not is the question on my mind.


Edit.. Oh and if were stil counting 700 yay! :)


Happy 700 Kieryn!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Someguy945 » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:38 pm UTC

While I don't expect Time to end anytime soon, this DOES feel like the "thrilling conclusion" part of a movie, doesn't it?

They/We finally got a whole bunch of new information at once, and now something urgent and physically demanding is occurring - that's your typical ending sequence to a thriller/suspense movie at a high level.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Earthling on Mars » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:50 pm UTC

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Pikrass wrote:Python is a good one, as Aluisio pointed out. However, I'd recommend a strongly-typed language, that is a language that doesn't convert e.g. strings to integers automagically. Ruby is strongly-typed, though you don't have to mention the type of a variable.

Python is strongly typed... '1' + '2' returns '12', not 3, and '1' + 2 is an error.

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Re: Basin Run

Postby nerdsniped » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:51 pm UTC

mscha wrote:
nerdsniped wrote:Basin Run
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I've been runnin' all night, the sweat's wet on my brow
There's a voice in my head, that drives me down
It's our people callin', says, "we need you here"
And it's half past four, and we're shifting gear

When the dam breaks and the water comes a flood,
And Rosetta laid it out from above
Don't need no horse at all
We're on a thing that's called a Basin Run
We're gonna sprint all the way there, Basin Run

The night sky's spinning, spinning along
Antares is missing, that must be wrong
The stars have got me hypnotized
And we're speeding into a new sunrise

When the water comes, rising up the bluff
We'll come running, comin' in from above
Don't need no buggy at all
We're on a thing that's called a Basin Run
We're gonna sprint all the way there, Basin Run

No more speed, we're almost there
Shoreline's changed, now gotta take care
Last hill to pass, here we go
And the water's rising from below

In my mind, that forgotten song
Our ancestors sang when they moved along
Can't pack up the tents -- water's too strong
Yet another home is gone

When the water rises, and you're not sure what to do
We'll come running, running down to you
We don't need no motor at all
We're on a thing called a Basin Run
We climbed up to the sky
Now we're on long, long Basin Run
We're on a thing that's called a Basin Run

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Thanks! This one pretty much wrote itself, once the song popped into my head. A little homage to the epic feat Cuegan are attempting.

There's been a lot of discussion of where Cuegan will first encounter water, how much time they have, etc. I think we really don't have enough information to make anything more than wild guesses. We know that the rate of sea level rise is going to vary wildly, in nonlinear ways, but we have barely any data about what the actual trajectory has been so far and we have absolutely no data about where it will go from there. I managed to find an old graph someone had posted of the water level history during much of the sandcastle period, but I'm not sure that tells us much. It has almost certainly accelerated, and the early data can't tell us how much it will accelerate. (Any simple numerical extrapolation from this graph is almost certainly useless.) I would say that they are unlikely to encounter the sea for a while -- they'll be at *least* halfway back down, if not most of the way down, before they reach it.

We can attempt to guess based on storytelling principles, rather than physics. I continue to believe that Cuegan will succeed in finding their people, or at least the majority thereof, but that it won't be at their original location. (How they react to the dawning realization that their home is already underwater, and how the two groups find one another, may be one of the main plot elements for the next section of the story.) That implies that the water has already covered the beach (which we'd pretty much assumed based on the floating-bucket cutaway), and probably even the tents, but perhaps hasn't gone much higher than that (or it will be very hard for them to ever reunite).


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This is probably the best way to see what is going on. The sea that Megball know is the blue-green layer that is mostly whited out, but you can see part of it going north along Corsica and west toward Majorca. The Megball tribe live about midway along that western extension, about where I put the blue star. Megball walked east along the shore and then turned up the river to eventually reach the Chateau d'Beanie, which I've marked with the black line. What the tribe wants to do is go straight through the hills (that rough texture you can see above the blue star) and up that ridge, following the red line. If they got enough warning, they would be able to walk it -- once you are into the yellow, the land rises steeply enough that it should be easy to keep ahead of the water. And while the peach patch will eventually fill into a bay, it has to fill the entire rest of the Med first, so they'd have plenty of time to stroll across to the Chateau. <moresnip>

Is there a scale for that map? It looks to me like Cuegan walked a bit more than the length of Sardinia, which is 267km long. Say they've trekked 300km or about 180 miles. We never figured out exactly how long it took them... on level ground I'd expect them to cover at least 20 miles per day, or about a week for the trip. Scrambling up rocks would have added some time, but still it can't have been more than two weeks since they left home? (Maybe still closer to a week.) And I bet they now make the return journey in well under a week... assuming they get that far without rising sea or some other eventuality getting in the way. How much the water rises in that period is strictly up to GLR, I think.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby fatness » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:59 pm UTC

Someguy945 wrote:While I don't expect Time to end anytime soon, this DOES feel like the "thrilling conclusion" part of a movie, doesn't it?

They/We finally got a whole bunch of new information at once, and now something urgent and physically demanding is occurring - that's your typical ending sequence to a thriller/suspense movie at a high level.

Was thinking the same thing. Had to just lurk for a few outside weeks for reasons nobody here cares about but kept up. OTC is now a story instead of just a bunch of generally connected doodles, a development I heartily applaud.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Earthling on Mars » Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:01 pm UTC

Still runnONG

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Re: Basin Run

Postby charlie_grumbles » Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:03 pm UTC

nerdsniped wrote:Is there a scale for that map? It looks to me like Cuegan walked a bit more than the length of Sardinia, which is 267km long. Say they've trekked 300km or about 180 miles. We never figured out exactly how long it took them... on level ground I'd expect them to cover at least 20 miles per day, or about a week for the trip. Scrambling up rocks would have added some time, but still it can't have been more than two weeks since they left home? (Maybe still closer to a week.) And I bet they now make the return journey in well under a week... assuming they get that far without rising sea or some other eventuality getting in the way. How much the water rises in that period is strictly up to GLR, I think.

Hmmm. 20 miles in a day is pretty hard, even on flat ground. Especially if you are carrying anything and you do need water. Day after day? Maybe. You do get used to it after a while. But very hard. They don't seem to have been exerting themselves a lot on the way up, actually, and seldom mentioned it.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:05 pm UTC

Earthling on Mars wrote:Still runnONG
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You can do it!! Only 5 more frames to the camp!

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