1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:33 pm UTC

Random832 wrote:I have a general question about the three viewers:

http://xkcd.mscha.org/viewer/2842, for example, says:
Geekwagon: frame 2847
Book of Aubron: frame 2850

Does that mean that there are at least five frames on Geekwagon, and three more on Aubron, that are not on mscha's viewer? I'm confused why the maintainers of these viewers allowed this situation to persist in the early days, if so.

There are three frames on Aubron that are considered apocryphal, they were apparently a server error. Also, the meteor frames are numbered differently on the different viewers. Note that mscha's index has the cross reference. http://xkcd.mscha.org/time.html#bot
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:34 pm UTC

Random832 wrote:I have a general question about the three viewers:

http://xkcd.mscha.org/viewer/2842, for example, says:
Geekwagon: frame 2847
Book of Aubron: frame 2850

Does that mean that there are at least five frames on Geekwagon, and three more on Aubron, that are not on mscha's viewer? I'm confused why the maintainers of these viewers allowed this situation to persist in the early days, if so.

The differences are:
  1. Apocryphal frames. Something went wrong, way back, and two separate series of images were released every newpix. The GLR later fixed this by making the images for both series identical, but you can see the original ones in my viewer. The canonical listing (i.e. mine) lists those as 256a, 257a and 258a; Aubron has them as 256, 257 and 258, and continues with 259, 260, 261 (which are identical to its 256, 257, 258) where the canonical listing has 256, 257, 258; and Geekwagon doesn't have them at all.
  2. Meteor frames. These 5 frames appeared, between (canonical) frames 2440 and 2441, in short succession. Since they arrived outside of the regular schedule, the canonical list numbers them 2440a-2440e. (This way, you can still relatively simply convert an Outside timestamp to a newpix number.) Both Aubron and Geekwagon just numbered those through, 2444-2448 and 2441-2445.

Ninja'd by SBN, but leaving it up for the details.

ETA: Page pope... Decree: pray to the GLR or the deity of your choice for the safe return of the rest of the 40. Or not, if you don't want to.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:36 pm UTC

Random832 wrote:I have a general question about the three viewers:

http://xkcd.mscha.org/viewer/2842, for example, says:
Geekwagon: frame 2847
Book of Aubron: frame 2850

Does that mean that there are at least five frames on Geekwagon, and three more on Aubron, that are not on mscha's viewer? I'm confused why the maintainers of these viewers allowed this situation to persist in the early days, if so.

Hoping somone answers this better than my attempt...

ETA: Oh, good, they did
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OK...Hypothetical situation: you have, for weeks, seen a new frame coming in at the top of the hour, like clockwork. So you write all your grabbing and presentation scripts accordingly.

One morning you find out that during one of those hours last night, 6 different frames showed up, 2 minutes apart.

You have two main choices:
A. renumber all the following frames and rewite all your scripts to cover this aberration and prepare for any others.
B. call the extra frames XXXXa, XXXXb, and so on.

What happens if one person does A and another B?

That's basically what we've got (in principle if not actual numbers.)

One person has frames numbered XXXa, XXXb, XXXc -- another has the same frames numbered XXX, XXX+1, XXX+2.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:39 pm UTC

Does the current newpix win the award for most text in a single frame? :shock:

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jazz14456 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:40 pm UTC

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Newpic: Predication of what the stuff is in the water:
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dead bodies from the people who stayed behind or the group that the village folk wanted to wait for


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby hunjoh » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:44 pm UTC

Jokern wrote:
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content removed because i cannot post links. :(

I don't know. From watching the video it seems to me that you would need to enlarge the opening by at least a couple orders of magnitude to make the water in the basin slosh around.


In this video the scale is too large for the 100m waves to be visible.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BigDaddy » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:45 pm UTC

They are called waves Cueball. They are not floating on the water, they are the water. Or maybe tree trunks or the remains of other settlements. Stop looking at me with your creepy blank stare.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jazz14456 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:47 pm UTC

In case things start speeding up, do any of the scripts save backups every minute? We don't want to miss some...
Knowing how dedicated OTT is, I would assume so, just checking.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jazz14456 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:53 pm UTC

I guess waves do make more sense then white-->bodies<--white
But if the waves were really 100 meters in the actual event, then we should be able to judge if the thing Cueball sees ARE waves by how far away he is from the water, right? How far away is he from the water? Or do the waves start out small, and then get up to full size later?
Something about the passive handwriting and small typeset makes me think Cueball already knows that they are white-->bodies<--white and is trying to reassure himself against that.


We could probably figure out how far Randall made these in advance/ if at all by analyzing the handwriting/drawing style over the first few frames of OTC, then comparing it to the stuff he was making at that time for the main xkcd.
Unless xkcd strips are made in advance, too...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Gedeon » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:53 pm UTC

mscha wrote:
So Chrome is the only one paying attention to the specified gamma, but even without a specified gamma, there are two different interpretations of the color: #535353 and #696969.


What does the Photoshop/otherimageeditor say? I don't have it here right by me to check.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Gedeon » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:55 pm UTC

jazz14456 wrote:In case things start speeding up, do any of the scripts save backups every minute? We don't want to miss some...
Knowing how dedicated OTT is, I would assume so, just checking.


But of course. If I'm not mistaken, mscha runs a script that directly gets images from auto-updating javascript. Mscha is The God.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jjjdavidson » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:57 pm UTC

mscha wrote:
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mscha wrote:I ran it on the affected images, and it turns out that in all cases, the following segment was removed:

Code: Select all

gAMA {1.0000}

i.e. the original version explicitly set the gamma to 1.0, while the corrected version doesn't specify a gamma.
If you open, for instance, frame 2842 in Chrome, you'll see the effect: the original version is much lighter than the current xkcd version. (Firefox shows the darker one for both versions.)

Interesting. I tried both images (current and original) in Opera, Chrome and Firefox. Opera displays both identically. Chrome displays the original very bright. But my Firefox (which I assume is up-to-date, version 22.0) displays which is somewhere in between in darkness (both versions of the image are identical).

Here's a comparison. Opera is on the left, Firefox on the right:
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I tested the color of the lightest gray area of frame 2842 it in all browsers I've got installed (on Windows 7):

Browser: original/new
Firefox 22: #696969/#696969
Chrome 29: #999999/#535353
IE 10: #535353/#535353
Opera 12: #535353/#535353
Upgraded to Opera 15: #535353/#535353
Safari : #696969/#696969

So Chrome is the only one paying attention to the specified gamma, but even without a specified gamma, there are two different interpretations of the color: #535353 and #696969.

By the way, my ancient Paint Shop Pro (which apparently doesn't even see the gamma setting) says that the raw color is #535353 in both the original and current image.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby free-bee » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:57 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:Does the current newpix win the award for most text in a single frame? :shock:

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby b2bomberkrh » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:59 pm UTC

The pups and I are quite anxious. They think that the stuff in the water is debris, presaging the arrival of bad, bad mojo water.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Swein » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:59 pm UTC

The kids told us ...

What a derogatory nomination of the most honored citizen of the nation of Forty, La Petite! I feel otterly offended! :x
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby frakhorsestaplers » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:00 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jazz14456 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:02 pm UTC

Is it just me, or does it feel like we are getting close to the climax?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby nerdsniped » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:02 pm UTC

I think we need an ENHANCE on the (presumed) reflection off of Cueball's (presumed) eyeballs, to get a glimpse of whatever he's seeing out there. Anyone?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:02 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:Does the current newpix win the award for most text in a single frame? :shock:

Not anymore. Image

jazz14456 wrote:Is it just me, or does it feel like we are getting close to the climax?

I think (and fear) you may be right. The pace of the OTC is now so fast (compared to what we were used to), it pretty much has to be.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:03 pm UTC

frakhorsestaplers wrote:SwimmONG
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Megan just said "don't split the party!!"
They're DOOOOOOOOOOMED

Side note, she should be exhausted -- rest while you send some of the others to get the people in camp quickly!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:07 pm UTC

frakhorsestaplers wrote:SwimmONG
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"My cousin says she can swim across a river."

"Well, can he carry all of us?"

Is GLR entering the pronoun argument?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angelastic » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:08 pm UTC

Rule110 wrote:He could change the FLOOD into FLOYD. Not sure if that would improve matters though.
This made me think of the Tom Lehrer song Silent E… (it can change a FLOOD, into FLOYD, instantly…)
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I think maybe the thing on the sea is LaPetite on an ark made of the things they left on the beach and the things she was dragging to the beach. She's one of the hill people, but as a child, she saw through the adults' prejudices and thought it wouldn't be right not to help the Cueganites. Or she was the first Cueganite to discover the hill people had gone, and the stuff she was dragging onto the beach came from the hills. But I'd prefer it to be the former.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:10 pm UTC

mscha wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote:Does the current newpix win the award for most text in a single frame? :shock:

Not anymore. Image

Oh my GLR... :shock:

I wonder if that kid's cousin is LaPetite...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Pfhorrest » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:10 pm UTC

Prediction: La Petite is the missing cousin who can swim in fresh water.

ETA: Ninja'd, also typo.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jazz14456 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:10 pm UTC

mcshn wrote:
jazz14456 wrote:Is it just me, or does it feel like we are getting close to the climax?

I think (and fear) you may be right. The pace of the OTC is now so fast (compared to what we were used to), it pretty much has to be.

It could be a dramatic moment, where this eventually leads into a bigger danger.

But yeah, you guys were so right about the Mediterranean.
HOW do you pick up on all those subtle subtle subtle clues?
I bet GLR lurk reads some of this.

Should be back fairly soon.

I hope its just some waves....
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Arky » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:11 pm UTC

neopifex wrote:
nerdsniped wrote:
mscha wrote:<snip> 6 Cueganites, I don't think LaPetite is one of them. But who know how many are behind them? (Hopefully, 30+.)

Seems like kind of a pointless time to travel in single file to hide their numbers, but I guess old habits die hard.


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby frakhorsestaplers » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:11 pm UTC

jazz14456 wrote:Is it just me, or does it feel like we are getting close to the climax?


It really feels like that to me. There's time pressure (rising sea around them), constant panicked dialogue, and it keeps seeming hopeless. Sure seems like the climax of the story to me!

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Megan just said "don't split the party!!"
They're DOOOOOOOOOOMED

Side note, she should be exhausted -- rest while you send some of the others to get the people in camp quickly!


While them being able to rest would be nice, the water is rising too quickly for that to be possible. At best, they can hope for a chance to rest if what Cueball is seeing is a raft of some sort. If not, a reasonable prediction might be that they collapse from exhaustion and drown during their exodus (if they don't just drown anyway).

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Wildhound » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:12 pm UTC

It's totes obvo that Cueball has spotted an incoming ocean liner and nobody is paying attention to him. Like, Oh me yarm.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:14 pm UTC

Wildhound wrote:It's totes obvo that Cueball has spotted an incoming ocean liner and nobody is paying attention to him. Like, Gee Willikers.

I cringe at your use of slang, but agree with you.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jazz14456 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:15 pm UTC

Wildhound wrote:It's totes obvo that Cueball has spotted an incoming ocean liner and nobody is paying attention to him. Like, Gee Willikers.

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Ocean liners are those huge cruise ships, right?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Wildhound » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:19 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:
Wildhound wrote:It's totes obvo that Cueball has spotted an incoming ocean liner and nobody is paying attention to him. Like, Gee Willikers.

I cringe at your use of slang, but agree with you.
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I was cringing whilst typing it too! ;)

Plot wise the OTC seems to be approaching a climax, and I would be for the first time I would be inclined to think that we have a maximum of about a week's worth of newpix left.

However, the Beanish throw a spanner into those works. I can't imagine the OTC would end without us learning more about them, and getting enough of the language for at least a rudimentary translation. A week is not enough. I'm intrigued as to where things will go from here.

jazz14456 wrote:Ocean liners are those huge cruise ships, right?


Yep. I may have been overstating it. ;) But I do think he has spotted some sort of boat, or raft at the very least.
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Postby azule » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:20 pm UTC

mscha wrote:
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azule wrote:
mscha wrote:I've added a simple viewer to my site, which allows you to view the frames one at a time.
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http:// xkcd.mscha.org/viewer/ 2013-12-31T23:59:59

Pretty sweet stuff, mscha. One problem.... That quoted URL up there....it spoiled me. :cry: I thought you were gonna pick a date close to the current frame....I didn't really read the date myself...and randaldamnit. :cry:
I'm gonna try to forget what I saw...(as tantalizing as it was)...and maybe now I'll try to ketchup a bit faster...(damn this slow reading handicap of mine). :cry:
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Thanks! I have caught up to that very frame now. I saw the Beanies soon after I was spoiled, so it hasn't been too frumptious of a journey. :)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jjjdavidson » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:22 pm UTC

Okay, I just listened to Guster's "Hercules" (this track off Easy Wonderful), and I'm suddenly seriously creeped out. The lyrics could almost have been written for the last few days of Time:

    Looks like these afternoons of reverie are through
    What's left for me to say; what's left for me to do?
    Float along and feel the water on my back
    Try not to sink down to the bottom
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    Hollow my head, it echoes like a wooden drum
    Peel back my skin and make my ribs a xylophone
    Feel the water rise and fall between my bones
    And then just sink down to the bottom

    It's a simple love affair
    Dangerous and true
    Her arms are all around
    Reachin' out for you

    She's a siren in the night
    With streaks of red and blue
    And though you've disappeared you know
    She will get you through
    She'll come to the rescue...
On top of the lyrics, the video remarkably echoes Megan and Cueball's world of sand and salvage.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby frakhorsestaplers » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:22 pm UTC

jazz14456 wrote:
Wildhound wrote:It's totes obvo that Cueball has spotted an incoming ocean liner and nobody is paying attention to him. Like, Gee Willikers.

KNOW IT'S GUDZILA JEESH!!1111

evry1 nowes gudzila cums frum dah oshin.
GET IT RIGHT


XD

Ocean liners are those huge cruise ships, right?


Maybe it's the Titanic, somehow either raised from the seafloor and extensively repaired or just an exact replica (which would probably be less expensive, given that the TItanic's been at the bottom of the ocean for 101 years now and is torn in two, extensively rotted, and very much sunk into the ocean floor).

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby hunjoh » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:23 pm UTC

hunjoh wrote:
Jokern wrote:
hunjoh wrote:
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I don't know. From watching the video it seems to me that you would need to enlarge the opening by at least a couple orders of magnitude to make the water in the basin slosh around.


In this video the scale is too large for the 100m waves to be visible.

Yes, you are absolutely right. It is hard wrapping one's head around how big this event truly is.


So I just sent Steve Ward and email asking his opinion. :D

Hopefully he answers before Cuegan and the 40 are drowned by a tsunami... :shock:

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:23 pm UTC

Wildhound wrote:Yep. I may have been overstating it. ;) But I do think he has spotted some sort of boat, or raft at the very least.

It looks like Cueball's gonna have to pull a Noisy Shut-Up....

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoisyShutUp

(sorry)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby hunjoh » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:24 pm UTC

"He..." is now "She..."

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NoMouse » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:24 pm UTC

jazz14456 wrote:Is it just me, or does it feel like we are getting close to the climax?

Oh boy... Should I stay the whole night awake to not miss it? I was just thinking of coma, it's 1:24 AM here...

ETA: Wow, so many new comments...
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Re: BlitzGirl the First Returneth

Postby Eliram » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:26 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:
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I'm back!
Hello again, everybody! ImageNice to see most of y'all are still here, though perhaps scattered through Time a bit.
(snip a lot)

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As for me, I'm just going to ride the crazywave for as long as I can, perhaps until the end of Time...or even beyond that.
After all, the future's pretty cool! Race you there!

Found this during ketchup. It is beautiful. A work of art. Thank you and welcome back.
It's about time.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:26 pm UTC

jazz14456 wrote:
mcshn wrote:
jazz14456 wrote:Is it just me, or does it feel like we are getting close to the climax?

I think (and fear) you may be right. The pace of the OTC is now so fast (compared to what we were used to), it pretty much has to be.

Who's this mcshn you're quoting? Image

jzax22165 wrote:But yeah, you guys were so right about the Mediterranean.
HOW do you pick up on all those subtle subtle subtle clues?

Hmm, subtle clues...
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