1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Ebonite » Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:40 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:45 pm UTC

Here's an animation of the 7 rafting frames where we had them in full view.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Dracomax » Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:47 pm UTC

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SBN wrote:Raymond E. Feist has some good ones. I'm not sure where the best place to start is. But then I'm also not sure it is possible to finish the Pern series. McCaffrey's got some other works that are very good too. I liked the Petaybee series, maybe more than Pern.

The only Krondor book I haven't read is Magician's End and that's just because it wasn't released yet the last time I ordered a supply of books. Extremely awefullsomely good suggestion by the way. I enjoyed them immensely.
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b2bomberkrh wrote:
Arky wrote:Series: Timothy Zahn's Conquerors trilogy. Book 1 comes across as an interesting "first contact" scenario between a "United Federation of Planets" type of humanity and a hostile alien race. Book 2 brilliantly switches POV to the aliens, one of the best bits of alien world-and-society building exercises I've ever read. Book 3? You'll just have to get there....

As an individual book, since it's within my sightline from here, I liked it very much and it has that sci-fi fantasy crossover feel that Pern does (although with more humour) I recommend The Rook by Daniel O'Malley.



Big agreement on the Conquerors trilogy, I was going to suggest it on my own. Shockingly unwellknown for how good I think it is. I'm not sure if I read back far enough to catch everyone's recommendations, but I will add "Startide Rising" by David Brin (there isn't much by him that I wouldn't recommend), and if you're a fan of fantasy, you should definitely check out "In the Name of the Wind" and "A Wise Man's Fear" by Patrick Rothfuss. The series isn't complete yet, but it's the best ongoing work of fantasy hands down, in my opinion. Oh, and one more, "To Say Nothing of the Dog" by Connie Willis.


Interesting suggestions. Anyway, I am missing Julian May (Pliocene Exile Saga, also others) and Lois McMaster-Bujold here.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby b2bomberkrh » Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:49 pm UTC

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philip1201 wrote:It is a simple physical fact that every conceivable combination of occupations of quantum fields in 4D spacetime has a finite non-zero probability within the laws of physics, and that includes groups of bosons forming neural nets which encode the belief that library books are supposed to be empty.


That is one possible universe in the multiverse, but what about the universe where the people are exactly like us, but the books are empty.

As you eliminated causal (i.e. statistically likely) explanations for how the books ended up empty, you approach the eventual limit of "the books got empty by, against unfathomable odds, all the molecules of the ink in all of the books spontaneously undergoing the right series of quantum fluctuations to dissolve/decay/whatever causes that kind of ink to fade, thus blanking the books". Or, maybe the real limit is more like "quantum fields in empty space spontaneously converged, against even more unfathomable odds, to create a planet on which is a library full of blank books and people with false memories who have no idea why there is a library of blank books".

The problem to be solved is exactly the same as this one: You discover that there is a library full of blank books somewhere. How did that get there like that? There are many possible explanations, each with a different likelihood of being true. There are more universes where the more likely explanations occurred (e.g. someone rich guy thought it would be a funny prank present for his bookworm little brother, maybe?) than where the less likely explanations occurred (e.g. all the ink spontaneously decayed due to the exact right series of quantum fluctuations in its constituent molecules, atoms, etc).


Focusing too much on one specific example is missing the point. The point the character, and I, was trying to make is that there are theoretical universes that are simply not consistent with the intelligent beings that occupy them. There isn't a universe anywhere with a person just like me having a bookshelf full of empty books, because I wouldn't have a bookshelf like that. Does such a universe exist because random quantum fluctuations make the books all go blank? And many more universes where only one of the books has blank pages? And many, many more universes where just one page gets blanked? And a huge majority of universes where nothing odd happens? It seems much more likely to me that there are deep, mysterious things that we don't yet understand about the relationship between conscious, intelligent beings and the physical and quantum mechanical universe, that would preclude "ridiculous" universes like that ever coming into existence.


Why do you believe ridiculous universes don't/can't exist? What kind of evidence do you have which causes you to dismiss something which is only supposed to happen once every googolplexian^googolplexian years at most, especially when there are an actually statistically significant amount of inconsistencies between human beliefs and the environment caused by imperfect brain architectureex? Why do you eschew reductionism and posit an exception in the laws of physics for specific low-entropic slabs of meat (i.e. human brains/minds) when there can be no evidence for that exception because insanity is at least 10^100^100 times more likely than a manifestation of a coherent, persistent macroscopic quantum phenomenon according to generally accepted science? Or are you so far gone that you actually believe your explanation to be Occam-simpler?

Human sapience doesn't work through mysterious magic, it's a neural net computer which receives input through the senses and has physical electro-chemical discharges travel through the structure which are what thoughts are made of. There is interaction between the human mind and the physical world, not through deep ineffable relationships, but though nerves and senses and hormones. Humans are "inconsistent" with libraries of empty books not because intelligence and empty books are at some deep level incompatible, but because humans build libraries to put texts in them using a purely physical decision-making process. If physics provides other mechanisms for humans and libraries to co-exist, they will co-exist in some alternate universe through those mechanisms.

ex e.g. "I swear I put my keys on the desk" - human error, or quantum fluctuations moving the keys around?


I have no evidence whatsoever. And I never stated that I don't believe they exist. What I stated was that I believe there are deep, unanswered questions about the human mind and it's relationship to the quantum mechanical world. There isn't any evidence that alternative universes exist at all!!! Your statement that I'm positing an exception to the laws physics implies that I was positing a fact in the first place, but even more problematic, implies that multiple universes ARE one of the laws of physics, and that the laws physics imply that multiple universes not only exist, but that ALL of them exist, and neither of these facts are well enough established to even quality as a theory of physics yet, much less a law. They fall more within the realm of speculation at the moment, and we certainly don't have much in the way of evidence either way. Furthermore, it is a long way from being either obvious, or proven that our minds are simply computers, operating according to quantum mechanical principles, whose behaviors could be predicted given a sufficient knowledge of their state. In fact, the original purpose of my post was to suggest that minds are more than just that, and to point out that there is much that we don't yet understand about how consciousness, free will and so on fit into the "laws" of the physical universe. Some of these issues are addressed in a much more interesting, and detailed way in the book that I suggested twice.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:58 pm UTC

Angelastic wrote:The raft goes sideways!
An ingenious solution:
Let's call this the front.

FTFY.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby nerdsniped » Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:59 pm UTC

ttscp wrote:And on another note, way back here, just after the fade, I predicted that the story would end at between 3,500 and 4,000 frames. That's looking a little high, but well within a reasonable margin of error on my estimate. (Does little happy dance.)

Yeah, that prediction is looking pretty good at this point (give or take; we'll have to Wait for It of course, even if no longer specifically instructed). Well done!

As people have said, we don't know for sure that this is building up to the ending yet. We might be in the process of dropping a torpedo into the ventilation shaft (== ending imminent), we might only be dropping the ring into Mount Doom (== ending to come, but a fair amount of cool-down time first), or we might only be crossing the river into Rivendell (== just getting warmed up).

While there is plenty of story that could still be told, this feels too much like a grand climax to me; I think we're in the first scenario, or (my personal hope, but not expectation) the second. Consider that when the party arrives at Rivendell, the most urgent problem (ringwraiths descending on Frodo) is solved, but the biggest problem (Sauron is ascending, and seeking the ring) is not. Here in Time, the biggest problem -- petatons of water on the move -- is in the process of being resolved, one way or another. The aftermath will have many problems of its own, but not of the same flavor. The story would have to downshift into a very different mode. Could happen, of course, but I expect GLR is ready to take a break from all this.

(Hmm... Lucifer's Hammer has a somewhat analogous situation, and there the resolution of the initial deluge is just a warmup to the main story. But in that story, the initial event was transformative of the entire world, not just the flooded areas.)

My long-term hope, I think, is that while the current incarnation of Time may end soon, it will not be the last incarnation. GLR might start "book two" someday, possibly with changes to the structure and medium. Other artists might begin to explore the possibilities. Or, hard though it is to imagine, we might just be able to look forward to something that will be as much grander than Time as Time was to Click & Drag (itself quite awefulsome).

Oh, chiming in late on the books thing: anything by Lois McMaster Bujold. The Miles Vorkosigan stories are awesome sci-fi; start with The Warrior's Apprentice. Her fantasy series are amazing as well. Most similar to the Pern books might be the Sharing Knife series (start with Beguilement), though my favorites are the series that begins with The Curse of Chalion. (And add my vote to the Diskworld series; it is simply essential. The first few books in the series are a bit rough so you might want to start somewhere around Guards! Guards! if you're not a completist, or at least book 3 Equal Rites.)

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b2bomberkrh wrote:...Oh, and one more, "To Say Nothing of the Dog" by Connie Willis.

Yes! That book is so awesome. Set in the same world, *much* darker but very powerful, is the Doomsday Book. And now I'll shut up about books, don't want to hijack the thread too much.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:00 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby foilman » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:00 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby JGeezer » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:01 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Valarya » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:02 pm UTC

NetWeasel wrote:
cryptoengineer wrote:I strongly urge you to check Prisencolinensinainciusol out - It's how an pop song in English sounds if you don't understand English, and is superb - I sometimes play it for people, and it's amazing how people try to pull comprehension out of it. It's one of the strangest thing's I've ever heard. The dancing is cool, too.

THANK YOU!!! I... just... words no have... Instantly bookmarked!
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OMR i haven't seen this video in ages. Had completely forgotten about it. Thanks for posting crypto!

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I don't understand why the 20 on the left are stating that Cuegan-20 will float past them. Are they going backwards in my mind? I thought it was moving left > right. Therefore the 20 on the left would be the ones floating past. No one else seemed confused by this, though. :?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:04 pm UTC

Valarya wrote:I don't understand why the 20 on the left are stating that Cuegan-20 will float past them. Are they going backwards in my mind? I thought it was moving left > right. Therefore the 20 on the left would be the ones floating past. No one else seemed confused by this, though. :?

Took me as while to get this too, but they're moving sideways (from their point of view; backwards from ours) after bumping into the river bank.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby yappobiscuits » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:06 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby nerdsniped » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:08 pm UTC

Valarya wrote:I don't understand why the 20 on the left are stating that Cuegan-20 will float past them. Are they going backwards in my mind? I thought it was moving left > right. Therefore the 20 on the left would be the ones floating past. No one else seemed confused by this, though. :?

FWIW, I was confused too. :roll:

Looking at the last two pictures, it appears that the debris (and Cuegan's raft) is floating left, so we seem to have flipped camera angles. (The tall part of the raft is still on our right, but I guess that's the whole "let's call this the front now" thing.) The new raft is moving to the right, which could be the Other 20 laboring to push themselves out into the main current.

ETA: ninja detector fail but I'll take the opportunity to ask a followup question:

mscha wrote:Took me as while to get this too, but they're moving sideways (from their point of view; backwards from ours) after bumping into the river bank.
That's what frame 3055 was all about.

Are they moving sideways? From our perspective, they seem to be moving right-to-left, which is also what I see the flotsam doing. So maybe the camera just did a 180?

ETA2: though the Cuegan raft is moving a lot faster than the flotsam. :?:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Fictioneer » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:08 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angelastic » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:14 pm UTC

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Scott Auld wrote:I feel bad now for calling them stupid, for not knowing anything about the sea or rivers, back in late May or early June. I didn't know they were prehistoric folks. :oops:

They're not prehistoric, exactly - it's, as near as we can tell, a post-apocalyptic future where humanity in general has reverted to a lower level of technology, and their specific group also has no contact with anyone from outside their region.

And also, we knew less about the sea than they did.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby cellocgw » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:15 pm UTC

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In my view, popes have gotten all too polite lately. :twisted:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby k.bookbinder » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:19 pm UTC

Valarya wrote:In response to 2 newpix ago...
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I don't understand why the 20 on the left are stating that Cuegan-20 will float past them. Are they going backwards in my mind? I thought it was moving left > right. Therefore the 20 on the left would be the ones floating past. No one else seemed confused by this, though. :?


I was also confused. It seems to suggest that they are all moving neither left nor right, but actually moving away from us. But Cuegan's team may be moving more swiftly than the other 20, further out distancing them (I hypothesized that they were in swifter moving water that is channeling along the old riverbed).
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Valarya » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:24 pm UTC

yappobiscuits wrote:
Valarya wrote:I'm definitely part of the club of people who wants to marry yappo. :P There was an acronym for it, but I can't remember and search is failing.
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Ah, yes.. that's the one. 8-)

For the record, we all know I just think yappo is brilliantly awesome for his creative talents and quick wit and that I'm not at all being seriously creepy. I like a lot of other people in this thread for the exact same reasons. ;)

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Valarya wrote:I don't understand why the 20 on the left are stating that Cuegan-20 will float past them. Are they going backwards in my mind? I thought it was moving left > right. Therefore the 20 on the left would be the ones floating past. No one else seemed confused by this, though. :?

Took me as while to get this too, but they're moving sideways (from their point of view; backwards from ours) after bumping into the river bank.
That's what frame 3055 was all about.

Are they moving sideways? From our perspective, they seem to be moving right-to-left, which is also what I see the flotsam doing. So maybe the camera just did a 180?

ETA2: though the Cuegan raft is moving a lot faster than the flotsam. :?:

Thanks guys. I figured there was some weirdness going on with what Cue said in regards to 'this can be the front now.' It just wasn't clicking. My brain does not easily render directional stuff in a 2D landscape. :oops: :cry:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Opiboble » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:36 pm UTC

Well this all escalated quickly, I leave for a week long coma and they go from hiking to river rafting.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angelastic » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:38 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:
charlie_grumbles wrote:
Neil_Boekend wrote:I decree that all who feel like it shall advise me on a good book series to start once I have finished Anne McCaffrey's Pern series.

In my view, popes have gotten all too polite lately. :twisted:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:39 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby sford » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:43 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Wildhound » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:45 pm UTC

Someone previously suggested that this might be an epic, in which case this might not be the climax, but the first major challenge for the protagonists. While I hope that is the case, I really can't think of where you can go to up the ante after "homes being destroyed by the flooding of the Mediterranean basin". That would be a little hard to top, and any other drama would be pretty chilled after this.

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You're totally the first person to say that. :twisted:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angelastic » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:49 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby b2bomberkrh » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:51 pm UTC

charlie_grumbles wrote:
Neil_Boekend wrote:I decree that all who feel like it shall advise me on a good book series to start once I have finished Anne McCaffrey's Pern series.


Anyway:

Huge list. Spoilered.
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Curious, in searching for this series on Amazon, I came across a book called "Wild Thyme, Green Magic", a collection of shorter works by Jack Vance. According to the descriptions, one of the stories is called "Chateau D'if"!!!! Has anyone read this?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:00 pm UTC

AlmONGst there:

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But it looks like it's fallONG short.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby b2bomberkrh » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:02 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:
charlie_grumbles wrote:
Neil_Boekend wrote:I decree that all who feel like it shall advise me on a good book series to start once I have finished Anne McCaffrey's Pern series.

In my view, popes have gotten all too polite lately. :twisted:
Anyway:

Huge list. Spoilered.


ETA most anything by Vernor Vinge.

And, 'cause I'm feeling particularly grouchy (late for lunch),

Haiku is haiku
is haiku is haiku is
haiku is haiku

:mrgreen: :twisted:


"A Fire upon the Deep" by Vinge is very good. Also, a haiku is NOT a haiku, just because it has the correct number of syllables. There's a little bit more to it than that, but a lot of the "haiku" that's been posted here doesn't really follow any of the principles of the haiku poetic form. In particular, we seem to be woefully lacking in the comparison/contrast of two ideas/thoughts/situations which is normally an essential part of the haiku. But, it's fun to just mimic the structure, even without the rest of what makes a haiku.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:03 pm UTC

taixzo wrote:AlmONGst there:
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But it looks like it's fallONG short.

If it snags on that tree, and the Other Twenty throw THEIR rope, and snag the same tree...
Both sides can pull at once.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby cari.j.elliot » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:05 pm UTC

Book suggestions:

Garth Nix - Sabriel, Lirael, Abhorsen - Easy but engaging
Terry Pratchet - Discworld - Hilarious and usually quick
Neil Gaiman - Neverwhere - Just awesome
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby richP » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:05 pm UTC

taixzo wrote:AlmONGst there:

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But it looks like it's fallONG short.


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby k.bookbinder » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:06 pm UTC

Wildhound wrote:Someone previously suggested that this might be an epic, in which case this might not be the climax, but the first major challenge for the protagonists. While I hope that is the case, I really can't think of where you can go to up the ante after "homes being destroyed by the flooding of the Mediterranean basin". That would be a little hard to top, and any other drama would be pretty chilled after this.


I still think they could eventually journey to the Straits of Gibraltar to confirm what caused the sudden leak.

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But it looks like it's fallONG short.


I do not think that is going to make it. Perhaps they hope only anchor to that tree (perhaps it is still secure at the roots).
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby fatness » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:13 pm UTC

Possibly Megan was smart enough to put something floaty on the end of that rope so the Others can pick it up as they float by.

Or not, since Cueball threw it.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Wildhound » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:14 pm UTC

k.bookbinder wrote:I do not think that is going to make it. Perhaps they hope only anchor to that tree (perhaps it is still secure at the roots).


It would be a lot closer if they threw it from the front (rear?), rather than Cue throwing it from way back on the roof.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:17 pm UTC

Wildhound wrote:
k.bookbinder wrote:I do not think that is going to make it. Perhaps they hope only anchor to that tree (perhaps it is still secure at the roots).
It would be a lot closer if they threw it from the front (rear?), rather than Cue throwing it from way back on the roof.
It would be a lot closer if they used more rope.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:18 pm UTC

nerdsniped wrote:
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Valarya wrote:I don't understand why the 20 on the left are stating that Cuegan-20 will float past them. Are they going backwards in my mind? I thought it was moving left > right. Therefore the 20 on the left would be the ones floating past. No one else seemed confused by this, though. :?

FWIW, I was confused too. :roll:

Looking at the last two pictures, it appears that the debris (and Cuegan's raft) is floating left, so we seem to have flipped camera angles. (The tall part of the raft is still on our right, but I guess that's the whole "let's call this the front now" thing.) The new raft is moving to the right, which could be the Other 20 laboring to push themselves out into the main current.

ETA: ninja detector fail but I'll take the opportunity to ask a followup question:

mscha wrote:Took me as while to get this too, but they're moving sideways (from their point of view; backwards from ours) after bumping into the river bank.
That's what frame 3055 was all about.
Are they moving sideways? From our perspective, they seem to be moving right-to-left, which is also what I see the flotsam doing. So maybe the camera just did a 180?

ETA2: though the Cuegan raft is moving a lot faster than the flotsam. :?:

What I think is happening, is:

  • Our point of view with respect to the raft has not changed.
  • Initially, the raft was moving ‘upstream’, bow first. (So, for us, moving to the right.)
  • After a while, the bow bumped into the left river bank (our right). The raft kept moving ‘upstream’, port side first. (So, for us, moving backwards.) Cueball renamed the port side to “front of the boat”. Our camera point of view is fixed to the boat, so we used to look towards the right river bank, now we're looking upstream.
  • They noticed the boat with the “other 20”, who are close to the right bank (our left), but not quite in the main current, so also floating upstream (away from us), but slower than the raft.
  • Both the boat and the raft are trying to move closer to each other, towards the center of the river, while still floating upstream (away from us).

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:20 pm UTC

I tend to agree, mscha - the slope on the left side of the frame is the other riverbank, parallel to the bank that the Twenty just bumped into with the raftcastle. The flow of water is either headed away from the viewer, as you suggest, or towards us (I'm still not sure).

And hey, molpy up! Looks like the rest of the Forty in the hills were able to find at least some Hill People materials to build a raft from. :)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:22 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:And hey, molpy up! Looks like the rest of the Forty in the hills were able to find at least some Hill People materials to build a raft from. :)

I'm guessing they actually found a boat (that the Hill People used on the river).

ETA: you're right, they could be floating toward us, I never even considered that. Can't tell for sure, in a perspective-less comic...
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