1190: "Time"

[BlitzGirl]

<snip> *Excepting, of course, the following possible scenario [inspired by someone's comment over the wipend]:

davean: You know that Time thread? It's getting big.
xkcd: 50K posts, I know. But the forum can hold megaposts.
davean: Yeah. But did you know they've uploaded 691MB of attachments in the last six weeks?
xkcd: Chirp me! o_O I'll kill it by Friday.

Well, if that was the plan, that definitely backfired - think of all of the manips added in the past four dips!

ETA:

Optional decree:
What is your least-favorite newpix?
(The frame-of-which-we-do-not-speak does not count.)

[intheshax]

Hi everyone. I can't believe the OTT is still getting so much amazing content. This is actually just a filler post to get me closer to 5. I've been working on something, and I'd rather post it as an image. So, a couple more to go, I guess. Maybe next I'll tell you about a third-party timewaiter, my best lady, who just listened to my updates (verbaketchups) every few days and seemed to enjoy the OTC and what you all were up to by proxy.

-- intheshax

[charlie_grumbles]

Actually, it is a noncommercial creative commons license. No selling. Sorry. Make sure you understand the difference.

Quoting GLR:
This work is licensed under a
Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 2.5 License

Thanks; I was going to make the same point if no one else did. But we can still give T-shirts to each other, right?

That too could be a problem. Many of the T-shirt shops won't touch fan art if it contains actual images from the original. molpy-grapevine is probably ok, since it isn't from GLR, but the places that make stuff for me won't print stuff that came from a web-comic, even if modified. I don't know about a one-off, though. For the rules of one large company, look here:
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/i ... e=cup.aspx.
It might be OK with GLR to make a one-off for yourself, but someone has to be convinced that it is ok to make it. I think that, since he does sell t-shirts to support his art, it would be a problem, morally, if not legally. You could make an
"I <3 GLR"
shirt easily enough and not infringe. Likewise "I waited for it", or "I waited for one darkening pixel". Stuff like that is fine. But not his art.

[jjjdavidson]

Well, if that was the plan, that definitely backfired - think of all of the manips added in the past four dips!

I'd had the same thought. If anything, uploading has increased.

Optional decree:
What is your least-favorite newpix?

That's easy ─ np1212-1216, the parking lot.

[Kieryn]

Optional decree:
What is your least-favorite newpix?

That's easy ─ np1212-1216, the parking lot.

Haha .. that made me smile

ETA: 600! woooo!

Spoiler:

[dawnfire]

Was pondering a fitting tribute to Time and The End in song form and felt this one had something to offer. Hope you like it!

Somewhere Out There
An ottification of Somewhere Out There by Linda Ronstadt and James Ingram

Somewhere out there beneath the pale moonlight
Lucky's found some shelter and resting safe tonight

Somewhere out there Megan's saying a prayer
That they'll find a new home there in that big somewhere out there

And you could spend a thousand lifetimes staring at water and sand
And never guess the world had things as beautiful or grand

And as The End hits home and they head off on a new hike
It helps to know we can replay them any time we like

Somewhere out there, if maps can see them through
Then they'll be together somewhere out there
And with me and you

And you could spend a thousand lifetimes staring at water and sand
And never guess the world had things as beautiful or grand

And as the end hits home and they head off on a new hike
It helps to know we can replay them any time we like

Somewhere out there, if maps can see them through
Then they'll be together somewhere out there
And with me and you

ETA: Originally from the wonderful animated film 'American Tail' (now *that's* a movie with a lot of molpies in it!)

[poxic]

About shirts and copyright: others in the xkcd community have done shirts with Randall's art before, strictly on a no-profit (at cost) basis. I don't know if he's ever known about it or if he would care, but there is precedence of a sort.

[Kieryn]

Was pondering a fitting tribute to Time and The End in song form and felt this one had something to offer. Hope you like it!

Somewhere Out There
An ottification of Somewhere Out There by Linda Ronstadt and James Ingram

Somewhere out there beneath the pale moonlight
Lucky's found some shelter and resting safe tonight

Somewhere out there Megan's saying a prayer
That they'll find a new home there in that big somewhere out there

And you could spend a thousand lifetimes staring at water and sand
And never guess the world had things as beautiful or grand

And as The End hits home and they head off on a new hike
It helps to know we can replay them any time we like

Somewhere out there, if maps can see them through
Then they'll be together somewhere out there
And with me and you

And you could spend a thousand lifetimes staring at water and sand
And never guess the world had things as beautiful or grand

And as the end hits home and they head off on a new hike
It helps to know we can replay them any time we like

Somewhere out there, if maps can see them through
Then they'll be together somewhere out there
And with me and you

That is lovely. I always loved the original (and accompanying movie), so it's especially touching for me. Thank you!

[Latent22]

Latent22: The video test is amazing. I love the timing and the atmosphere added by the music (can't wait^Well... for yappo's original music!). The voices sound really good. And I like the colored frames a lot (although I can imagine some clamor for a colorless version). Thanks for sharing it!

^Well... Ok, I'm quite used to wait lately.

Yeah I've set it up so I can render either colored or non colored versions by moving a couple of folders around as I plan to have a pure black and white version as well. This is just a test for adding music and color while I wait for more VO audio to roll in.

Anyone wanting to add their voice in can pick a character from the Dialogue list that needs voicing and post it here. Note their are little speakers showing you which frames have already been done. Also need audio samples of sound effects if anyone can make some or find some that are released free or under a good license.

Also have a few frames from 3057-3059 that we need someone to work out who said the frames to make it easier for someone to do the voice over.

[jjjdavidson]

But we can still give T-shirts to each other, right?

That too could be a problem.

Spoiler:

Many of the T-shirt shops won't touch fan art if it contains actual images from the original. molpy-grapevine is probably ok, since it isn't from GLR, but the places that make stuff for me won't print stuff that came from a web-comic, even if modified. I don't know about a one-off, though. For the rules of one large company, look here:
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/i ... e=cup.aspx.
It might be OK with GLR to make a one-off for yourself, but someone has to be convinced that it is ok to make it.

I think that, since he does sell t-shirts to support his art, it would be a problem, morally, if not legally. You could make an
"I <3 GLR"
shirt easily enough and not infringe. Likewise "I waited for it", or "I waited for one darkening pixel". Stuff like that is fine. But not his art.

"I heard you're idea's and their definately good" ─ I've never dealt with a print shop on something like this. But I'm not worried about the moral aspect, as long as we stay strictly non-commercial. A Creative Commons license is a deliberate choice, and Randall makes it clear he understands it. But any shirts (or whatever) we make must definately include a reference to "http://xkcd.com/1190/".

[charlie_grumbles]

About shirts and copyright: others in the xkcd community have done shirts with Randall's art before, strictly on a no-profit (at cost) basis. I don't know if he's ever known about it or if he would care, but there is precedence of a sort.

No profit and non-commercial are not the same, I think. If you want to honor the man, don't do that sort of thing without his explicit permission. Some things he might not object to, perhaps, but some things would appall him. I think the "ideas" page on the wiki is a good idea, especially if it comes with a disclaimer of copyright or a public domain license. But he will have trouble using the art there, for the same reason we have trouble using his. It was created by another person, who automatically holds copyright and can license it, however they like.

On the other hand, you can't copyright an idea. So some things that look like they should be infringing are not and some things that you would think are ok, are infringing. But, like I said above: If you want to honor the man, be careful of what you do with his art.

[taixzo]

davean: You know that Time thread? It's getting big.
xkcd: 50K posts, I know. But the forum can hold megaposts.
davean: Yeah. But did you know they've uploaded 691MB of attachments in the last six weeks?
xkcd: Chirp me! o_O I'll kill it by Friday.

I hope we do not anger the admins. My biggest fear nowadays is that I will open the OTT and see a final post reading, "Thread locked."

[HES]

I hope we do not anger the admins. My biggest fear nowadays is that I will open the OTT and see a final post reading, "Thread locked."

I'm sure we'd see some red text before they went that far. Besides, now that GLR himself has acknowledged our community they cant kill it. We won't let them.

[charlie_grumbles]

But we can still give T-shirts to each other, right?

That too could be a problem.

Spoiler:

Many of the T-shirt shops won't touch fan art if it contains actual images from the original. molpy-grapevine is probably ok, since it isn't from GLR, but the places that make stuff for me won't print stuff that came from a web-comic, even if modified. I don't know about a one-off, though. For the rules of one large company, look here:
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/i ... e=cup.aspx.
It might be OK with GLR to make a one-off for yourself, but someone has to be convinced that it is ok to make it.

I think that, since he does sell t-shirts to support his art, it would be a problem, morally, if not legally. You could make an
"I <3 GLR"
shirt easily enough and not infringe. Likewise "I waited for it", or "I waited for one darkening pixel". Stuff like that is fine. But not his art.

"I heard you're idea's and their definately good" ─ I've never dealt with a print shop on something like this. But I'm not worried about the moral aspect, as long as we stay strictly non-commercial. A Creative Commons license is a deliberate choice, and Randall makes it clear he understands it. But any shirts (or whatever) we make must definately include a reference to "http://xkcd.com/1190/".

Sigh. Yes, but, you seem to be ignoring "noncommercial". It is a very important word here. A CC license is not "public domain". He uses a CC-BY-NC license. NOTE THAT is is NOT CC-BY, or CC-BY-SA. It is CC-BY-NC. Don't try to finesse it. See http://creativecommons.org/. Read it and understand.

[AnotherKevin]

I thought that Cuegan should be on a high ridge, with one of the rivers visible in the background...


Redundant:

Spoiler:

Meow!

[wizpretz]

I hope we do not anger the admins. My biggest fear nowadays is that I will open the OTT and see a final post reading, "Thread locked."

In that case we'd just have to PM everyone who has posted recently and find a new place to go.
Edit from the future:

Don't know if anyone saw this, but apparently the Chicago Tribune's test page may have included a redundakitty today.

I literally just saw that on Boing Boing.

[fhorn]

Don't know if anyone saw this, but apparently the Chicago Tribune's test page may have included a redundakitty today.

[Latent22]

But we can still give T-shirts to each other, right?

That too could be a problem.

Spoiler:

Many of the T-shirt shops won't touch fan art if it contains actual images from the original. molpy-grapevine is probably ok, since it isn't from GLR, but the places that make stuff for me won't print stuff that came from a web-comic, even if modified. I don't know about a one-off, though. For the rules of one large company, look here:
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/i ... e=cup.aspx.
It might be OK with GLR to make a one-off for yourself, but someone has to be convinced that it is ok to make it.

I think that, since he does sell t-shirts to support his art, it would be a problem, morally, if not legally. You could make an
"I <3 GLR"
shirt easily enough and not infringe. Likewise "I waited for it", or "I waited for one darkening pixel". Stuff like that is fine. But not his art.

"I heard you're idea's and their definately good" ─ I've never dealt with a print shop on something like this. But I'm not worried about the moral aspect, as long as we stay strictly non-commercial. A Creative Commons license is a deliberate choice, and Randall makes it clear he understands it. But any shirts (or whatever) we make must definately include a reference to "http://xkcd.com/1190/".

Sigh. Yes, but, you seem to be ignoring "noncommercial". It is a very important word here. A CC license is not "public domain". He uses a CC-BY-NC license. NOTE THAT is is NOT CC-BY, or CC-BY-SA. It is CC-BY-NC. Don't try to finesse it. See http://creativecommons.org/. Read it and understand.

Yeah its a tricky situation with non commercial licenses like that. If a company makes a t-shirt for you with this content then they are making money off this intellectual property. Trying to do things at cost price doesn't always get around this. Their are some ways to do it like buying a blank t-shirt and then buying a inkjet thermal transfer something or other and printing an image on your own printer at your own expense and then adding it to your T-shirt. This situation does not cause a problem with the license (assuming you also add appropriate credit to satisfy the license). But then you go selling those t-shirts to others... If you make money out of this you have broken the license and even if you sell them at exactly cost it's still a very grey area.

[ggh]

Minor rantpost: Now that Randall has made a blag post about Time, people keep saying, "That's why the ending was so rushed! The frames were taking over an hour to draw!" Has nobody pointed out the backwardness of this reasoning?

You're thinking as though Randall were making a movie or a TV series. "Sorry, Mr. Munroe; Time didn't get renewed. You've got two episodes left to wrap everything up." You're forgetting: Randall was in complete control of the pace of Time.

If the workload was getting too heavy, then ending it quickly was the worst thing for Randall to do. Remember during "RUN", all the landscapes he skipped? All the landscapes he had already drawn? All he had to do was add a couple of running stick figures and there's another newpix of comic done. Or throw in a startled molpy (remember Lucky?) and there's two or three or four newpix. Mustard, we'd have watched that bucket bobbing on the sea for at least a dozen newpix.

Yeah, the frames I wanted were a week of watching those rafts bob on the sea, maybe even just the black of night at intervals, so I could worry about them for a week and feel even more touched and nervous when Megan called Cue to build the sandcastle and super-relieved when they stepped onto land.

But... what if GLR was actually lurking here? Here doesn't slow down no matter what he does. What if he got sucked in? Here takes a lot of time. Or, if he wasn't reading himself, maybe he wanted to stop before a bunch of us lost our jobs?

Edit: punctuation

[jjjdavidson]

Spoiler:

But we can still give T-shirts to each other, right?

That too could be a problem. Many of the T-shirt shops won't touch fan art if it contains actual images from the original. molpy-grapevine is probably ok, since it isn't from GLR, but the places that make stuff for me won't print stuff that came from a web-comic, even if modified. I don't know about a one-off, though. For the rules of one large company, look here:
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/i ... e=cup.aspx.
It might be OK with GLR to make a one-off for yourself, but someone has to be convinced that it is ok to make it. I think that, since he does sell t-shirts to support his art, it would be a problem, morally, if not legally. You could make an
"I <3 GLR"
shirt easily enough and not infringe. Likewise "I waited for it", or "I waited for one darkening pixel". Stuff like that is fine. But not his art.

"I heard you're idea's and their definately good" ─ I've never dealt with a print shop on something like this. But I'm not worried about the moral aspect, as long as we stay strictly non-commercial. A Creative Commons license is a deliberate choice, and Randall makes it clear he understands it. But any shirts (or whatever) we make must definately include a reference to "http://xkcd.com/1190/".

Sigh. Yes, but, you seem to be ignoring "noncommercial". It is a very important word here. A CC license is not "public domain". He uses a CC-BY-NC license. NOTE THAT is is NOT CC-BY, or CC-BY-SA. It is CC-BY-NC. Don't try to finesse it. See http://creativecommons.org/. Read it and understand.

Sorry, I'm not ignoring "non-commercial"; I'm just failing to understand how me making a T-shirt and giving it to you isn't non-commercial. Am I missing something?

─Okay, I just saw Latent22's post and now I'm even more confused. I can't get a T-shirt made for myself with artwork I supply because the print shop makes money? Then how can Kinko's (or my public library) legally make money off my xeroxing of frankly copyrighted material under "fair use"? That makes it sound as if I can't xerox a page from a book unless I buy my own copier first. I need to go lie down. :bumfuzzled:

(Thanks for your patience. This is genuinely confusing.)

[fhorn]

I think things have finally quieted down a little.
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[Rule110]

I really love all the color manips that have been posted, and the creative use of different tools and media in so many of them.

My own creative thoughts have been running in a different direction recently, though. Here's a preview that might give you an idea of the project I'm contemplating.

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(And by the way, I didn't misspell "ambience," I chose a different word.)

truly redundant no-kitty spoiler

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[HES]

I think things have finally quieted down a little.
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BorONG


It's been a while

[ZoomanSP]

http://youtu.be/UyTN6cbEL1g

This is a test video of the OTVO project

Steakish! I'd suggest that the background music fades out when there's dialogue; as it is, the dialogue is sometimes difficult to understand, and at some points it seems like there are jumps in the background music when the speaker switches. But overall, very treeish!

Wow, Whizbang has such amazing OTThercomics! I'll do one shortly... thought of one ages ago, and here it is:

Spoiler:

⁷terful! (I think that's the right footnote.) <-- That's for ZoomanSP.

Yes, it is. I'm following mscha's standard (ni ni ni ni molpy molpy molpy molpy grapevine grapevine).

Beautiful^{Do we have a footnote for that?}

^{Do we have a footnote for that?} I think that ⁶ is "beautiful" according to the mscha standard, but it also has "and empty" at the end, which is probably why we don't use that much.

I've been waiting (for it, but also for) an opportunity to use this footnote for quite some Time now; I think I'll just have a go at it:

I don't know if this technically qualifies as a colorization, because the scale doesn't match the original picture and the time of day isn't the same. However, here is my "re-imagining" of frame 7.

Spoiler:

⁶ (almost, at least)

Somewhere Out There
An ottification of Somewhere Out There by Linda Ronstadt and James Ingram

Spoiler:

Somewhere out there beneath the pale moonlight
Lucky's found some shelter and resting safe tonight

Somewhere out there Megan's saying a prayer
That they'll find a new home there in that big somewhere out there

And you could spend a thousand lifetimes staring at water and sand
And never guess the world had things as beautiful or grand

And as The End hits home and they head off on a new hike
It helps to know we can replay them any time we like

Somewhere out there, if maps can see them through
Then they'll be together somewhere out there
And with me and you

And you could spend a thousand lifetimes staring at water and sand
And never guess the world had things as beautiful or grand

And as the end hits home and they head off on a new hike
It helps to know we can replay them any time we like

Somewhere out there, if maps can see them through
Then they'll be together somewhere out there
And with me and you

ETA: Originally from the wonderful animated film 'American Tail' (now *that's* a movie with a lot of molpies in it!)

⁶^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H (hmmm, it doesn't work to well. I guess I'll have to

Spoiler:

wait a bit longer for the right opportunity.)

I really love all the color manips that have been posted, and the creative use of different tools and media in so many of them.
My own creative thoughts have been running in a different direction recently, though. Here's a preview that might give you an idea of the project I'm contemplating.
<snip>

⁷, that's truly a seaish project!

Welcome back, kenmelken! Here's some consolation cake:

Spoiler:

edited to fix tags

[k.bookbinder]

Hi everyone. I can't believe the OTT is still getting so much amazing content. This is actually just a filler post to get me closer to 5. I've been working on something, and I'd rather post it as an image. So, a couple more to go, I guess. Maybe next I'll tell you about a third-party timewaiter, my best lady, who just listened to my updates (verbaketchups) every few days and seemed to enjoy the OTC and what you all were up to by proxy.

-- intheshax

Welcome intheshax!

Spoiler:

But we can still give T-shirts to each other, right?

That too could be a problem. Many of the T-shirt shops won't touch fan art if it contains actual images from the original. molpy-grapevine is probably ok, since it isn't from GLR, but the places that make stuff for me won't print stuff that came from a web-comic, even if modified. I don't know about a one-off, though. For the rules of one large company, look here:
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/i ... e=cup.aspx.
It might be OK with GLR to make a one-off for yourself, but someone has to be convinced that it is ok to make it. I think that, since he does sell t-shirts to support his art, it would be a problem, morally, if not legally. You could make an
"I <3 GLR"
shirt easily enough and not infringe. Likewise "I waited for it", or "I waited for one darkening pixel". Stuff like that is fine. But not his art.

"I heard you're idea's and their definately good" ─ I've never dealt with a print shop on something like this. But I'm not worried about the moral aspect, as long as we stay strictly non-commercial. A Creative Commons license is a deliberate choice, and Randall makes it clear he understands it. But any shirts (or whatever) we make must definately include a reference to "http://xkcd.com/1190/".

Sigh. Yes, but, you seem to be ignoring "noncommercial". It is a very important word here. A CC license is not "public domain". He uses a CC-BY-NC license. NOTE THAT is is NOT CC-BY, or CC-BY-SA. It is CC-BY-NC. Don't try to finesse it. See http://creativecommons.org/. Read it and understand.

Sorry, I'm not ignoring "non-commercial"; I'm just failing to understand how me making a T-shirt and giving it to you isn't non-commercial. Am I missing something?

─Okay, I just saw Latent22's post and now I'm even more confused. I can't get a T-shirt made for myself with artwork I supply because the print shop makes money? Then how can Kinko's (or my public library) legally make money off my xeroxing of frankly copyrighted material under "fair use"? That makes it sound as if I can't xerox a page from a book unless I buy my own copier first. I need to go lie down. :bumfuzzled:

(Thanks for your patience. This is genuinely confusing.)

In my opinion (and please let me know if I am wrong) I think part of Charlie's concern is also along the idea that, if I go online and buy a custom made shirt, using a frame, or piece of a frame from Time, and then give it to you, it is the shirt company that I bought the custom shirt from who got all my money. GLR gets nothing. Now, if I do that and then sell the shirt, there is definitely a license violation there. But still, there is the moral aspect of whether or not we should be giving our money for merchandise (even though it is custom designed) to a shirt company, and not to Randall.

So what I think we need to do is convince GLR to allow us to design shirts for his store! Very little work on his part (except placing the orders through his vendor). Perhaps he can choose which designs to use from the wiki site. How wowterfull would that be?

[ucim]

If the thread slows enough for me to have some time again,I'd like to get back to making some more tarot cards, maybe one a week. I had an idea for a simple OTC one to commemorate the sadness, but I need a stick figure, facing left, looking downwards in a dejected manner, to represent us. What simple thing do you think could be added to a stick figure to make it clear that it's an OTTer?

This sounds like the five of cups. I agree a hat helps make the stick figure an OTTer, but it needs to be a somewhat outlandish and clever hat. Probably colored too, to make it stand out.

But more to the point, perhaps the five cups the OTTer is looking away from could be parts of the OTC, including the Voldemort moment.

I'm really looking forward to the tarot project!

@dawnfire - Beautiful ottification of "Somewhere Out There"

Jose

[jjjdavidson]

Fear of a frame only increases fear of The End itself.

What we need is exposure therapy!

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molpy

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Congratulations, you have reached THE END of exposure therapy.
You may have cake.

...And this reply is long overdue. Thanks to you, BlitzGirl, I've identified my particular variety of PTSD.^§ I clearly suffer from redundakitty-induced BGSC.^♥ It wasn't just your original post ─ I went through taixzo's reply the same way:

*click* Augh!
*click* Ack!
*click* Ugh!
*click* Augh!
*click* Whew! (Molpy molpy molpy molpy...)
*click* Urk!
*click* Wah!
*click* Augh!
*click* Noo!
*click* Yay! Cake! *too exhausted to eat*

^§ PTSD: Post-Time Stress Disorder.
^♥ BGSC: BlitzGirl Spoiler Compulsion.

[Latent22]

Spoiler:

But we can still give T-shirts to each other, right?

That too could be a problem. Many of the T-shirt shops won't touch fan art if it contains actual images from the original. molpy-grapevine is probably ok, since it isn't from GLR, but the places that make stuff for me won't print stuff that came from a web-comic, even if modified. I don't know about a one-off, though. For the rules of one large company, look here:
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/i ... e=cup.aspx.
It might be OK with GLR to make a one-off for yourself, but someone has to be convinced that it is ok to make it. I think that, since he does sell t-shirts to support his art, it would be a problem, morally, if not legally. You could make an
"I <3 GLR"
shirt easily enough and not infringe. Likewise "I waited for it", or "I waited for one darkening pixel". Stuff like that is fine. But not his art.

"I heard you're idea's and their definately good" ─ I've never dealt with a print shop on something like this. But I'm not worried about the moral aspect, as long as we stay strictly non-commercial. A Creative Commons license is a deliberate choice, and Randall makes it clear he understands it. But any shirts (or whatever) we make must definately include a reference to "http://xkcd.com/1190/".

Sigh. Yes, but, you seem to be ignoring "noncommercial". It is a very important word here. A CC license is not "public domain". He uses a CC-BY-NC license. NOTE THAT is is NOT CC-BY, or CC-BY-SA. It is CC-BY-NC. Don't try to finesse it. See http://creativecommons.org/. Read it and understand.

Sorry, I'm not ignoring "non-commercial"; I'm just failing to understand how me making a T-shirt and giving it to you isn't non-commercial. Am I missing something?

─Okay, I just saw Latent22's post and now I'm even more confused. I can't get a T-shirt made for myself with artwork I supply because the print shop makes money? Then how can Kinko's (or my public library) legally make money off my xeroxing of frankly copyrighted material under "fair use"? That makes it sound as if I can't xerox a page from a book unless I buy my own copier first. I need to go lie down. :bumfuzzled:

(Thanks for your patience. This is genuinely confusing.)

Yeah it is actually quite a chirpen confusing mess with many grey areas. Fair use is really a different issue. Fair use is just a defense if someone takes you to court over their copyright. By photocopying someones works without express permission from the holder of the copyright you ARE technically breaking the copyright. However if they take you to court they will never win because you can use the fair use defense to shoot them down. (Think "Not Guilty by reason of insanity" without the straight jacket. Yeah you killed him but we can't find you guilty)

So really when someone says "It's ok for me to copy this because it's covered by fair use" they really should be saying "It's ok for me to copy this because If they sue me I'll get off it because of the fair use defense"

But also to your example what is the difference between a photocopier company and a t-shirt printer really. A lot of it comes down to the fact that photocopying places just generally ignore copyright issues and just assume that no one will ever sue them for the few micro cents they make in profit from their activity. Companies making higher margins are more worried about copyright holders complaining.

[k.bookbinder]

If the thread slows enough for me to have some time again,I'd like to get back to making some more tarot cards, maybe one a week. I had an idea for a simple OTC one to commemorate the sadness, but I need a stick figure, facing left, looking downwards in a dejected manner, to represent us. What simple thing do you think could be added to a stick figure to make it clear that it's an OTTer?

This sounds like the five of cups. I agree a hat helps make the stick figure an OTTer, but it needs to be a somewhat outlandish and clever hat. Probably colored too, to make it stand out.

But more to the point, perhaps the five cups the OTTer is looking away from could be parts of the OTC, including the Voldemort moment.

I'm really looking forward to the tarot project!

@dawnfire - Beautiful ottification of "Somewhere Out There"

Jose

I am glad you are still working on the tarot card set. From what you describe, and I agree with Ucim that it sounds like you are talking about the Five of Cups, then perhaps the stick figure should be holding the hat at their side, rather than wearing it, as one does as a gesture of reverence or mourning. I do not know if it would be required that the hat be any particular hat from the OTT, but certainly it must be outlandish and clever, as Ucim stated.

[ucim]

perhaps the stick figure should be holding the hat at their side, rather than wearing it, as one does as a gesture of reverence or mourning

Yes... I agree.

Jose

[AluisioASG]

Blindpost from the previous page.
I missed my bus. But, I'll be able to stay the whole night with y'all!

[Latent22]

http://youtu.be/UyTN6cbEL1g

This is a test video of the OTVO project

Steakish! I'd suggest that the background music fades out when there's dialogue; as it is, the dialogue is sometimes difficult to understand, and at some points it seems like there are jumps in the background music when the speaker switches. But overall, very treeish!

Yeah there is a bit of a problem with the way the audio is combined back together with my build scripts. To fix the sound properly I have to go though the process of rendering out the audio and replacing it at the last minute. To fix the music fade during speaking the only way I can come up with to do that is to export the script audio as above and then combine with the music track and twerk the volume down during the VO bits and render that audio before combining with the original video. Bit of a manual process I would prefer not to do too often! So probably won't go to all this time for test versions and wait till i've got more of the final VO audio sorted first.

[k.bookbinder]

A thought occurred to me this evening, regarding OTTifications. It occurred to me (as I have already stated) that we are a very international group, here in the OTT tribe. Yet, we are rather English-centric. Granted, there are obvious reasons for this, but I feel that perhaps some non-English OTTifications would be just as wowterful! I very much enjoy a great deal of music I do not understand. So perhaps this is a request, a challenge, or just an open invitation, but I do hope that some OTTer would feel so inclined to provide us with an OTTification in their native language, should they be so inclined to do so (though, if you do, perhaps a provided translation would also be appreciated).

[the_Dex]

Hello to all the OTTer's in the future. I'd like to introduce myself. I go by Dex, and like many here have been a long time fan of xkcd. I don't normally register for forums so I hope I don't make to many faux pas (never liked liver anyways). I have read the rules though : )

Way back on March 25th, since I read the tool tip of that day's comic, I came back to xkcd and saw that the image was different than earlier. Having been amazed at some of the stuff that GLR has pulled off in the past (cough drag cough) I "wisely" put down another bookmark and blithely went on my way.

For several months I checked it every so often in addition to my morning e-jaunts through my webcomic bookmarks, and that seemed sufficient. I could tell that I was missing images, but there never seemed to be drastic changes. Little did I know what I was actually missing.

Then things started changing rapidly. Wait, where are they walking too? When did they find that tower thingy? A cathedral!?!? But through it all I was never motivated to dig deeper. Until, believe it or not, Friday July 26th (I'm sorry, I know it still must hurt).

I don't even remember now what the image was that prompted me to break out the google, but I did. And found the Explainxkcd wiki (wonderful btw) and links to all sorts of useful things, like Time players. And I played it… and I was stunned. All this! This was going on the whole time! Every hour! After going through it a couple of times and doing a few other searches, I plopped onto one of pages of this very thread.

Oh my word, what was going on here. People speaking in tongues, technical analysis of time and place. Thankfully I was off that day (unfortunately I had a to do list that didn't). I bounced between random pages of the thread and the wiki. It was amazing. But the outside intruded and off I went, another few bookmarks richer.

So I log back in on Saturday, with my unearthed my copies of the Gandalara Cycle (from way back in the bookcase) and there it was. Game over man, game over! Like many of you I was taken aback, but maybe for a different reason. I mean, I had just found all this. I picked up my bookmark and started reading, and reading, and… oh, listening. Amazing job on the "Every Newframe's awefulsome" video YappoBiscuits. I finally caught up around pg. 1286, not counting the 1000+ previous pages I know nothing about. And I just sat there, and thought about it.

I must say I am very impressed with what you all… sorry, all y'all, have built here. To me forums are something to get in, get the information you need, and get out, preferable before you see anything too toxic. But this place appears to nuture not only whimsical fun, but some serious talent and brain power as well. I am bummed I was not able to join everyone on this journey as it unfolded.

I have started from page one and am now working my way through this thread. It's quite interesting to see how it all unfolded (I'm on pg. 66 I think). But at the rate you guys are generating new pages, it'll probably take me (lets see, thats 12, carry the 2…) oh, I don't know, like two years yips to catch up to your present. But I hope that, when I finally see that day, there will still be some OTTer's there to say hello.

And by the way, if you guys could convince GLR to produce that t-shirt with the first frame on the front and the last frame on the back… I desperately want to give him money for that! I don't remember who came up with that but it is a perfect summary of this whole experience.

To the fore, time starts
'pon the hind, time ends
and in the span between I exist.

Sorry about the newb-plosion. I guess between catching up and Outside requirements I built up a few things to say. Time to put the shoulder to the boulder for a little bit and see if I can't get it closer to the top, which seems to keep growing.

Dex

[BlitzGirl]

There is no "end" rONG:

[HES]

[b2bomberkrh]

Blindposting from NP 1295. I've only been off for a day and a half, and I have 14 pages to ketchup. Taixzo just did an awesome night sky coloring of one of the frames. Not sure if I'll be able to ketchup tonight, since I still have several hours or bridge hand analysis to do, and I want to get my hat from the Dragondashery sized right for an avatar and everything, but hopefully I will be back in the present soon. Meanwhile, here's a story some of you might like:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/cute-dog-video-boston-terrier-puppys-steps-born-19804727

[k.bookbinder]

I do hope that I did not screw something up on the wiki, but I just added more OTTer t-shirt designs. I used a table, since I felt that was easiest. I wanted to ask about a few things, but I did not know if anyone who has also edited that section would get notice if I started a discussion. Should I ask away here, or just start a discussion on the wiki? Also, I need to go back to the posted list and get non-graphic suggestions to add to the page as well. Unless someone else gets to them first.

ETA: @HES

[b2bomberkrh]

Archimandrite of Amicable Apostasy (in Absentia) here, to say:

I think this is just the end of Chapter One. I suspect that, at some point, we will see a comic entitled "Time 2," and off again we will go.

I can wait for it. I waited 16 years for Doctor Who to come back.

Still on the same page. Yeah, I fell in love with Dr. Who when I lived in Australia as a kid (The Five Doctors Special!!) and left to return to the USA shortly after Colin Baker became the Doctor and it was a looonnggg wait for the return of the show here, especially with the tease of the one shot movie with Paul McGann right in the middle of the wait.

[BlitzGirl]

Looks good, k.bookbinder - thanks for doing that! As far as I know, the page hasn't been seriously edited since April, so you really have free rein of the place, I think. Might want to ask questions here - I'm not sure if they will be seen on the wiki. Maybe both places.

...And this reply is long overdue. Thanks to you, BlitzGirl, I've identified my particular variety of PTSD.^§ I clearly suffer from redundakitty-induced BGSC.^♥ It wasn't just your original post ─ I went through taixzo's reply the same way:

*click* Augh!
*click* Ack!
*click* Ugh!
*click* Augh!
*click* Whew! (Molpy molpy molpy molpy...)
*click* Urk!
*click* Wah!
*click* Augh!
*click* Noo!
*click* Yay! Cake! *too exhausted to eat*

^§ PTSD: Post-Time Stress Disorder.
^♥ BGSC: BlitzGirl Spoiler Compulsion.

PTSD, indeed. I think I have some of that. I'm compelled to ottify things.

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