1273: "Tall Infographics"

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1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby rhomboidal » Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:05 am UTC

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Title Text: 'Big Data' doesn't just mean increasing the font size.

Taller is truthier.

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby cjmcjmcjmcjm » Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:20 am UTC

The information density asymptotically approaches zero.
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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby Quicksilver » Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:26 am UTC

As someone who loves recording everything in graphs, I approve of this message.

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby drosboro » Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:46 am UTC

Kind of lovin' the Venn Diagram... with AND in the overlap, where it belongs.

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby da Doctah » Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:43 am UTC

So the world has found something more pointless than tag clouds....

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby Klear » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:09 am UTC

By the year 2019 all information will be false, just like this sentence.

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby koogco » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:17 am UTC

Infographics are great!
So long as the actual information and the graphs are of good quality and have sources somewhere.
It is abused like anything else sadly.

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby Envelope Generator » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:22 am UTC

That alphabet bar graph would make a wonderfully infuriating gimmick font.
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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby You, sir, name? » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:49 am UTC

Oh god I hate infographics so much. In almost every case, you could have said the same thing with one or two sentences of text.
I edit my posts a lot and sometimes the words wrong order words appear in sentences get messed up.

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby jackal » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:10 am UTC

You, sir, name? wrote:Oh god I hate infographics so much. In almost every case, you could have said the same thing with one or two sentences of text.

As a visual thinker, I appreciate a good infographic. The problem is that reporters and editors on deadline often don't create good infographics.

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby Copper Bezel » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:11 am UTC

And this is a special kind of infographic that he's singling out, obviously.
drosboro wrote:Kind of lovin' the Venn Diagram... with AND in the overlap, where it belongs.

Yeah, this comic would be very dull without the clever little touches that actually make it at least a good bit of typography, and they help make this as charitable a treatment as possible. It's a good comic.
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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby Red Hal » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:12 am UTC

Some great examples here: http://www.worstinfographic.com/

My personal favourite (and it's tall) is this one: http://www.worstinfographic.com/botox-and-you/
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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby Quicksilver » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:13 am UTC

Red Hal wrote:Some great examples here: http://www.worstinfographic.com/

My personal favourite (and it's tall) is this one: http://www.worstinfographic.com/botox-and-you/
I love that XKCD is one of the top 100 infographics that isn't shit.

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby delusion » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:48 am UTC

I've generally found that the more "tall infographic" an infographic is, the shoddier the research and reporting that actually went into the data, even when they cite their sources. This has held true whether I agree with the point attempting to be made or not.

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby da Doctah » Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:06 am UTC

You, sir, name? wrote:Oh god I hate infographics so much. In almost every case, you could have said the same thing with one or two sentences of text.
A picture is worth a thousand words, divided by about eighty.

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby Simon_Jester23 » Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:03 am UTC

An infographic by a properly trained number-cruncher can be a very good thing; the problem is the sheer number of people who are statistically semi-literate but like to present their information in the form of graphs anyway.

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby You, sir, name? » Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:14 am UTC

da Doctah wrote:
You, sir, name? wrote:Oh god I hate infographics so much. In almost every case, you could have said the same thing with one or two sentences of text.
A picture is worth a thousand words, divided by about eighty.


You can squeeze in quite a at least a thousand words in the area of your average infographic.

For reference, a thousand words is this much text

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I edit my posts a lot and sometimes the words wrong order words appear in sentences get messed up.

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby Carteeg_Struve » Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:39 am UTC

Wow, and here I thought the graphic design for iOS 7 sucked. iOS 13 is really going to $#!+ the bed.

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby Xenomortis » Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:01 am UTC

You, sir, name? wrote:You can squeeze in quite a at least a thousand words in the area of your average infographic.

You could, but would it be readable? Your block of 1000 instances of "words" isn't convincing.

1000 words of Lorem Ipsum text, with line breaks added in randomly for ease of reading (because I hate reading large walls of dense text).
Spoiler:
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Aenean commodo ligula eget dolor. Aenean massa. Cum sociis natoque penatibus et magnis dis parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus. Donec quam felis, ultricies nec, pellentesque eu, pretium quis, sem. Nulla consequat massa quis enim. Donec pede justo, fringilla vel, aliquet nec, vulputate eget, arcu. In enim justo, rhoncus ut, imperdiet a, venenatis vitae, justo.
Nullam dictum felis eu pede mollis pretium. Integer tincidunt. Cras dapibus. Vivamus elementum semper nisi. Aenean vulputate eleifend tellus. Aenean leo ligula, porttitor eu, consequat vitae, eleifend ac, enim.
Aliquam lorem ante, dapibus in, viverra quis, feugiat a, tellus. Phasellus viverra nulla ut metus varius laoreet. Quisque rutrum. Aenean imperdiet. Etiam ultricies nisi vel augue. Curabitur ullamcorper ultricies nisi. Nam eget dui.

Etiam rhoncus. Maecenas tempus, tellus eget condimentum rhoncus, sem quam semper libero, sit amet adipiscing sem neque sed ipsum. Nam quam nunc, blandit vel, luctus pulvinar, hendrerit id, lorem. Maecenas nec odio et ante tincidunt tempus. Donec vitae sapien ut libero venenatis faucibus. Nullam quis ante. Etiam sit amet orci eget eros faucibus tincidunt. Duis leo. Sed fringilla mauris sit amet nibh.
Donec sodales sagittis magna. Sed consequat, leo eget bibendum sodales, augue velit cursus nunc, quis gravida magna mi a libero.
Fusce vulputate eleifend sapien. Vestibulum purus quam, scelerisque ut, mollis sed, nonummy id, metus. Nullam accumsan lorem in dui. Cras ultricies mi eu turpis hendrerit fringilla. Vestibulum ante ipsum primis in faucibus orci luctus et ultrices posuere cubilia Curae; In ac dui quis mi consectetuer lacinia.

Nam pretium turpis et arcu. Duis arcu tortor, suscipit eget, imperdiet nec, imperdiet iaculis, ipsum. Sed aliquam ultrices mauris.
Integer ante arcu, accumsan a, consectetuer eget, posuere ut, mauris. Praesent adipiscing. Phasellus ullamcorper ipsum rutrum nunc. Nunc nonummy metus. Vestibulum volutpat pretium libero. Cras id dui. Aenean ut eros et nisl sagittis vestibulum. Nullam nulla eros, ultricies sit amet, nonummy id, imperdiet feugiat, pede. Sed lectus. Donec mollis hendrerit risus. Phasellus nec sem in justo pellentesque facilisis.
Etiam imperdiet imperdiet orci. Nunc nec neque. Phasellus leo dolor, tempus non, auctor et, hendrerit quis, nisi.

Curabitur ligula sapien, tincidunt non, euismod vitae, posuere imperdiet, leo. Maecenas malesuada. Praesent congue erat at massa. Sed cursus turpis vitae tortor. Donec posuere vulputate arcu. Phasellus accumsan cursus velit. Vestibulum ante ipsum primis in faucibus orci luctus et ultrices posuere cubilia Curae; Sed aliquam, nisi quis porttitor congue, elit erat euismod orci, ac placerat dolor lectus quis orci. Phasellus consectetuer vestibulum elit. Aenean tellus metus, bibendum sed, posuere ac, mattis non, nunc. Vestibulum fringilla pede sit amet augue. In turpis. Pellentesque posuere. Praesent turpis.

Aenean posuere, tortor sed cursus feugiat, nunc augue blandit nunc, eu sollicitudin urna dolor sagittis lacus. Donec elit libero, sodales nec, volutpat a, suscipit non, turpis. Nullam sagittis.
Suspendisse pulvinar, augue ac venenatis condimentum, sem libero volutpat nibh, nec pellentesque velit pede quis nunc. Vestibulum ante ipsum primis in faucibus orci luctus et ultrices posuere cubilia Curae; Fusce id purus. Ut varius tincidunt libero. Phasellus dolor. Maecenas vestibulum mollis diam. Pellentesque ut neque. Pellentesque habitant morbi tristique senectus et netus et malesuada fames ac turpis egestas.

In dui magna, posuere eget, vestibulum et, tempor auctor, justo. In ac felis quis tortor malesuada pretium. Pellentesque auctor neque nec urna.
Proin sapien ipsum, porta a, auctor quis, euismod ut, mi. Aenean viverra rhoncus pede. Pellentesque habitant morbi tristique senectus et netus et malesuada fames ac turpis egestas. Ut non enim eleifend felis pretium feugiat. Vivamus quis mi. Phasellus a est.
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In hac habitasse platea dictumst. Curabitur at lacus ac velit ornare lobortis. Curabitur a felis in nunc fringilla tristique. Morbi mattis ullamcorper velit. Phasellus gravida semper nisi. Nullam vel sem. Pellentesque libero tortor, tincidunt et, tincidunt eget, semper nec, quam. Sed hendrerit. Morbi ac felis. Nunc egestas, augue at pellentesque laoreet, felis eros vehicula leo, at malesuada velit leo quis pede. Donec interdum, metus et hendrerit aliquet, dolor diam sagittis ligula, eget egestas libero turpis vel mi. Nunc nulla. Fusce risus nisl, viverra et, tempor et, pretium in, sapien. Donec venenatis vulputate lorem.

Morbi nec metus. Phasellus blandit leo ut odio. Maecenas ullamcorper, dui et placerat feugiat, eros pede varius nisi, condimentum viverra felis nunc et lorem. Sed magna purus, fermentum eu, tincidunt eu, varius ut, felis. In auctor lobortis lacus. Quisque libero metus, condimentum nec, tempor a, commodo mollis, magna. Vestibulum ullamcorper mauris at ligula. Fusce fermentum. Nullam cursus lacinia erat. Praesent blandit laoreet nibh.

Fusce convallis metus id felis luctus adipiscing. Pellentesque egestas, neque sit amet convallis pulvinar, justo nulla eleifend augue, ac auctor orci leo non est. Quisque id mi. Ut tincidunt tincidunt erat. Etiam feugiat lorem non metus. Vestibulum dapibus nunc ac augue. Curabitur vestibulum aliquam leo. Praesent egestas neque eu enim. In hac habitasse platea dictumst. Fusce a quam. Etiam ut purus mattis mauris sodales aliquam. Curabitur nisi. Quisque malesuada placerat nisl. Nam ipsum risus, rutrum vitae, vestibulum eu, molestie vel, lacus.

Sed augue ipsum, egestas nec, vestibulum et, malesuada adipiscing, dui. Vestibulum facilisis, purus nec pulvinar iaculis, ligula mi congue nunc, vitae euismod ligula urna in dolor. Mauris sollicitudin fermentum libero. Praesent nonummy mi in odio. Nunc interdum lacus sit amet orci. Vestibulum rutrum, mi nec elementum vehicula, eros quam gravida nisl, id fringilla neque ante vel mi.
Morbi mollis tellus ac sapien. Phasellus volutpat, metus eget egestas mollis, lacus lacus blandit dui, id egestas quam mauris ut lacus. Fusce vel dui. Sed in libero ut nibh placerat accumsan. Proin faucibus arcu quis ante. In consectetuer turpis ut velit. Nulla sit amet est. Praesent metus tellus, elementum eu, semper a, adipiscing nec, purus. Cras risus ipsum, faucibus ut, ullamcorper id, varius ac, leo. Suspendisse feugiat.
Suspendisse enim turpis, dictum sed, iaculis a, condimentum nec, nisi. Praesent nec nisl a purus blandit viverra. Praesent ac massa at ligula laoreet iaculis. Nulla neque dolor, sagittis eget, iaculis quis, molestie non, velit.

Mauris turpis nunc, blandit et, volutpat molestie, porta ut, ligula. Fusce pharetra convallis urna. Quisque ut nisi. Donec mi odio, faucibus at, scelerisque quis.


Approximate screen area:
A crude box drawn around the text on my screen had an area of approximately 1.2 million pixels.
The Botox infographic had an area of 2.9 million pixels.

So the Botox infographic takes up 150% more space than required for 100 "readable"* words.
*deliberately left vague and subjective

Erm... what was the point again
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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby orthogon » Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:02 am UTC

You, sir, name? wrote:
da Doctah wrote:
You, sir, name? wrote:Oh god I hate infographics so much. In almost every case, you could have said the same thing with one or two sentences of text.
A picture is worth a thousand words, divided by about eighty.


You can squeeze in quite a at least a thousand words in the area of your average infographic.

For reference, a thousand words is this much text

Spoiler:
words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words 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I was always so bad at drawing that I reckoned one of my words was worth a thousand of my pictures.

Another intersting thing. Here are a thousand words of ipsum lorem:

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Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Aliquam in mauris et mi varius facilisis. Quisque egestas odio rutrum luctus feugiat. Nulla aliquam nulla sed euismod scelerisque. Praesent non enim iaculis nibh imperdiet commodo id sed leo. Morbi vel mauris fringilla, euismod sapien a, fermentum augue. Cras tristique vehicula velit, id varius odio. Aliquam accumsan ac dui quis interdum. Ut pellentesque adipiscing gravida. Nulla ut nibh ut dui faucibus semper. Aenean eget velit urna. Duis vel laoreet mauris.

Fusce quis justo odio. Donec felis risus, laoreet eget vehicula vel, aliquet ac odio. Quisque porta lorem ac sem lobortis, nec vulputate ligula posuere. Fusce neque dui, blandit fermentum euismod a, pharetra non dolor. Sed ac elementum purus. Duis tincidunt commodo purus non bibendum. Cras a odio eu nibh ornare tempor sed vel nisi. Donec in fermentum nunc. Cum sociis natoque penatibus et magnis dis parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus. Donec aliquam nulla enim, vel venenatis justo egestas at. Maecenas accumsan blandit nisi a molestie. Sed et nisi sem. Donec a faucibus justo, at accumsan mauris. Aenean eget malesuada eros. Sed varius, enim ut tempus gravida, ligula dolor tincidunt turpis, non cursus leo enim quis orci.

Nulla neque metus, feugiat vel elit et, feugiat porta nunc. Nam quis risus euismod, tempor lacus eu, elementum nisi. Curabitur eget sem ligula. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Donec ac bibendum purus, non scelerisque elit. Vestibulum metus tellus, porta vel vestibulum ultricies, lobortis in enim. Quisque ac dictum purus. Integer rutrum lacus posuere mi gravida, ut pretium augue aliquet. Nullam tincidunt dolor ut sem convallis blandit. Quisque faucibus eu magna non dapibus. Vivamus malesuada libero quis mi ornare, at lobortis nisl placerat. In luctus a lacus non vestibulum. Curabitur sed mollis nisi, dapibus consequat nunc.

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(I don't know why it looks so much bigger than [You, sir, name?]'s text; the average word length is only 5.8 compared to 5.) That text is 6,839 bytes, which compress to 2,429 bytes using ZIP. Most (compressed) image files are bigger than that, which suggests that, if a picture really is worth a thousand words, the thousand words are more efficient.

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:20 am UTC

Hey, it could be worse -- that stuff could have been animated and run thru Prezi

So meanwhile let's all run out and get that XKCD pie chart tshirt
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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby Mjb » Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:39 am UTC

A good infographic should lend information a sense of scale or pattern that is absent in text form. A sufficient increase in understanding can justify devoting 2-3 times more space. Natural text is fragmented and 1D, and and deals poorly with long sequences (lists) or 2+D arrangements (multi-variable combinations, spatial positions). Tables give greater precision, but not readability (for humans).

The usefulness of a chart relates to (partial list)
1. Number of items. People can usually grasp a "couple" numbers without a picture. Anyone capable of reading one can do without a two-item bar graph.
2. Labeling.
3. Showing the information that matters.
4. Context - not part of some ghastly art project.

Has anyone seen a serious paper/article that needed more than three kinds of graph(ics) to make its point?

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:09 pm UTC

Mjb wrote:A good infographic should lend information a sense of scale or pattern that is absent in text form. A sufficient increase in understanding can justify devoting 2-3 times more space. Natural text is fragmented and 1D, and and deals poorly with long sequences (lists) or 2+D arrangements (multi-variable combinations, spatial positions). Tables give greater precision, but not readability (for humans).

The usefulness of a chart relates to (partial list)
1. Number of items. People can usually grasp a "couple" numbers without a picture. Anyone capable of reading one can do without a two-item bar graph.
2. Labeling.
3. Showing the information that matters.
4. Context - not part of some ghastly art project.

Has anyone seen a serious paper/article that needed more than three kinds of graph(ics) to make its point?


Well, this example is kinda cheating: Tufte
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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby You, sir, name? » Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:12 pm UTC

I don't have anything against plots and graphs. What I dislike is infographics, which in my experience at best say very little (you could convey the same message on a post-it note), and at worst are downright misleading. Thier "clarity" of communication more often than not stems from not really communicating very much at all.
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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby Mike Rore » Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:54 pm UTC

Red Hal wrote:Some great examples here: http://www.worstinfographic.com/

My personal favourite (and it's tall) is this one: http://www.worstinfographic.com/botox-and-you/


Thanks! that site is amazing. Here's one nugget I found on the "Hare today, gone tomorrow?" description:

"For example, we are first told that “1/2 of business users share files over email” - astonishing stuff. But hang on, what about people that don’t like their statistics presented in fractions? Fear not, it is also displayed as a percentage: ”51% of people share file attachments using email”. Phew. But wait one minute, what about people that don’t like their statistics to use words, or numbers. Well, they’ve got you covered, with a pie chart, just in case you didn’t know what a half looks like."

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby battlesnake » Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:13 pm UTC

I just wish he'd gone the full whack and used Comic Sans MS as the typeface!

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby password » Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:45 pm UTC

Regarding the lorem ipsum examples, it seems to me that Latin words tend to be longer than English words, so 1000 words of English test might be even smaller.

Isn't there some lorem-ipsum-like generator that uses English words? (I do remember seeing "random essay generators"...)

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby richP » Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:01 pm UTC

... and by 2019 those tall infographics will be presented on monitors with 25:9 aspect ratios.

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Postby PolakoVoador » Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:02 pm UTC

password wrote:Regarding the lorem ipsum examples, it seems to me that Latin words tend to be longer than English words, so 1000 words of English test might be even smaller.

Isn't there some lorem-ipsum-like generator that uses English words? (I do remember seeing "random essay generators"...)


Well, there's Bacon Ipsum.

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby orthogon » Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:51 pm UTC

PolakoVoador wrote:
password wrote:Regarding the lorem ipsum examples, it seems to me that Latin words tend to be longer than English words, so 1000 words of English test might be even smaller.

Isn't there some lorem-ipsum-like generator that uses English words? (I do remember seeing "random essay generators"...)


Well, there's Bacon Ipsum.

Hmm. Is there a vegetarian/vegan/kosher/halal version?

Edit: yes there is.
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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby cheeseheadtotherescue » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:38 pm UTC

Just hung right this next to our 6' info graphic in the office that was put there last week. Perfect timing.

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby alanbbent » Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:20 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:Hey, it could be worse -- that stuff could have been animated and run thru Prezi


That's the most evil thing I can think of. I can't stand Prezi. I can't.

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Postby cjmcjmcjmcjm » Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:35 pm UTC

richP wrote:... and by 2019 those tall infographics will be presented on monitors with 25:9 aspect ratios.

I've never heard of 25:9, but I have seen 21:9 monitors around
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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby Copper Bezel » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:07 pm UTC

....

I like Prezi. It has this amazing quality of not being PowerPoint. Not that slideshows are a good thing to begin with, but they're definitely better with motion sickness.
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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby da Doctah » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:12 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:
Mjb wrote:Has anyone seen a serious paper/article that needed more than three kinds of graph(ics) to make its point?


Well, this example is kinda cheating: Tufte
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Or at least he would be if he'd learn to distinguish between "Powerpoint is crap" (his usual thesis) and "Powerpoint makes it easy for a bad presenter to create crap".

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby Kit. » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:18 pm UTC

da Doctah wrote:
cellocgw wrote:
Mjb wrote:Has anyone seen a serious paper/article that needed more than three kinds of graph(ics) to make its point?


Well, this example is kinda cheating: Tufte
Tufte is god.

Or at least he would be if he'd learn to distinguish between "Powerpoint is crap" (his usual thesis) and "Powerpoint makes it easy for a bad presenter to create crap".

Does Powerpoint make it easy for a good presenter to create non-crap?

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby Copper Bezel » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:45 pm UTC

While I've never actually seen a PowerPoint presentation that impressed me, I'd note that no tool makes it easy to create non-crap. Creating non-crap is inherently difficult, and assumes the standards of the tools available....
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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby PinkShinyRose » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:10 pm UTC

Copper Bezel wrote:....

I like Prezi. It has this amazing quality of not being PowerPoint. Not that slideshows are a good thing to begin with, but they're definitely better with motion sickness.

To be fair: you can cause a motion sickness presentation in PowerPoint too, it's just considered bad design, whereas with Prezi the same thing is considered fine (as, unlike PowerPoint or Impress it cannot be used to create anything that would be considered fine on other platforms).

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Re: 1273: "Tall Infographics"

Postby alcore » Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:34 pm UTC

Just kill me now. Powerpoint is killing sentience.

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