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Re: 1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:02 am UTC

ucim wrote:I had not however passed through Living in a Village, as I popped around using internal links rather than reading chronologically. I have now. Of interest; one unique thing about present society is that this is the only time where any human could have a conversation with any other human, except perhaps at the dawn of man, if such a dawn was through one tribe and "man" was sufficiently distinct at that time. Before radio and telephone, we were spread out too far to have a conversation, and after the colonization of Mars (if it ever happens) the speed of light will be limiting.


Don't be so pessimistic. Humans are remarkably adept at overcoming the shortcomings of physics. I believe instantaneous quantum communication through entanglement over long distances has already been proven, it's just a matter of hooking it up to the internet. And reducing packet loss - 99% deprecation is a bit of a hard sell.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:16 am UTC

ChronosDragon wrote: I believe instantaneous quantum communication through entanglement over long distances has already been proven, it's just a matter of hooking it up to the internet.
Well, not quite. "Spooky action at a distance" has been shown. You could look at it as "the information that this particle is spin up has been transmitted faster than light", but that information belongs to the system, not to us. No information from the real world has been able to be encoded into the spin of the particle in question because we don't create its spin, we discover it.
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We check the spin (of paired particles) on one end, and it turns out that the spin is complementary on the other end. Every time. No matter how far away. But wait - there's more! Before checking the spin on the other end, you can run it through a spin-scrambler. This has a certain probability of changing the spin based on its setting. There is one probability curve if the spin was set before detection (i.e. when the paired particles were created), and another probability curve for the case where the particles didn't have a spin until one of them was detected (after which the other instantly acquires the complementary spin). Guess which one turns out to be the case.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:19 am UTC

ucim wrote:Redundakitties all around, but we can't see them or post them.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:37 am UTC

Excellent question, Cueball.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ttscp » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:46 pm UTC

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ttscp wrote:ucim: I knew about posslq, but for some reason didn't include it in my list of alternatives. I pronounce it as you do, but have never liked it, perhaps because I never think of it when playing scrabble. In any event, I have lost the battle on squeeze; after a few weeks of using it to refer to my wife, it slipped back out of my vocabulary.
I like the word because of the way it sounds. It's lack of adoption however works against it. "Squeeze" however lacks weight, lacks gravitas. It has a sense of "mere pleasure" rather than that of a more long-lasting companionship.
The point is moot, because the world has ignored both of us (a shame; if it listened more to our brilliance it wouldn't be in as bad a shape), but 'posslq' never sounded that affectionate to me and affection is important when you are referring to your significant other. I'll grant you the gravitas, but for me affection trumps gravitas most of the time.

ucim wrote:I had not however passed through Living in a Village, as I popped around using internal links rather than reading chronologically. I have now. Of interest; one unique thing about present society is that this is the only time where any human could have a conversation with any other human, except perhaps at the dawn of man, if such a dawn was through one tribe and "man" was sufficiently distinct at that time. Before radio and telephone, we were spread out too far to have a conversation, and after the colonization of Mars (if it ever happens) the speed of light will be limiting.
There was the Toba eruption, where humanity got down to as few as 40 reproductive females (I assume they back traced mitochondrial DNA to get to that conclusion). Given my dating history, I would have been turned down by every eligible woman in the world.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:08 pm UTC

ucim wrote:
ChronosDragon wrote: I believe instantaneous quantum communication through entanglement over long distances has already been proven, it's just a matter of hooking it up to the internet.
Well, not quite. "Spooky action at a distance" has been shown. You could look at it as "the information that this particle is spin up has been transmitted faster than light", but that information belongs to the system, not to us. No information from the real world has been able to be encoded into the spin of the particle in question because we don't create its spin, we discover it.
Spoiler:
We check the spin (of paired particles) on one end, and it turns out that the spin is complementary on the other end. Every time. No matter how far away. But wait - there's more! Before checking the spin on the other end, you can run it through a spin-scrambler. This has a certain probability of changing the spin based on its setting. There is one probability curve if the spin was set before detection (i.e. when the paired particles were created), and another probability curve for the case where the particles didn't have a spin until one of them was detected (after which the other instantly acquires the complementary spin). Guess which one turns out to be the case.
It's like having the internet, but no leopards and no screens. Redundakitties all around, but we can't see them or post them.

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Oh, well that's close enough. I give it 20 years until humanity is skyping with its Martian neighbors at speeds comparable to today's broadband. That is, assuming anyone gets to Mars by that point. GLR knows the Martians don't want anything to do with us.

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ucim wrote:I had not however passed through Living in a Village, as I popped around using internal links rather than reading chronologically. I have now. Of interest; one unique thing about present society is that this is the only time where any human could have a conversation with any other human, except perhaps at the dawn of man, if such a dawn was through one tribe and "man" was sufficiently distinct at that time. Before radio and telephone, we were spread out too far to have a conversation, and after the colonization of Mars (if it ever happens) the speed of light will be limiting.
There was the Toba eruption, where humanity got down to as few as 40 reproductive females (I assume they back traced mitochondrial DNA to get to that conclusion). Given my dating history, I would have been turned down by every eligible woman in the world.


That was a rough time. Just goes to show, you humans are basically all one big happy family. Well, "happy" being a relative term. Dragon family reunions make the Vietnam War look tame.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:56 pm UTC

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I'd have a redundakitty, but I can't get it to state its spin.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:58 pm UTC

ChronosDragon wrote:
ucim wrote:
ChronosDragon wrote: I believe instantaneous quantum communication through entanglement over long distances has already been proven, it's just a matter of hooking it up to the internet.
Well, not quite. "Spooky action at a distance" has been shown. You could look at it as "the information that this particle is spin up has been transmitted faster than light", but that information belongs to the system, not to us. No information from the real world has been able to be encoded into the spin of the particle in question because we don't create its spin, we discover it.
Spoiler:
We check the spin (of paired particles) on one end, and it turns out that the spin is complementary on the other end. Every time. No matter how far away. But wait - there's more! Before checking the spin on the other end, you can run it through a spin-scrambler. This has a certain probability of changing the spin based on its setting. There is one probability curve if the spin was set before detection (i.e. when the paired particles were created), and another probability curve for the case where the particles didn't have a spin until one of them was detected (after which the other instantly acquires the complementary spin). Guess which one turns out to be the case.
It's like having the internet, but no leopards and no screens. Redundakitties all around, but we can't see them or post them.

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Oh, well that's close enough. I give it 20 years until humanity is skyping with its Martian neighbors at speeds comparable to today's broadband. That is, assuming anyone gets to Mars by that point. GLR knows the Martians don't want anything to do with us.


I don't think that's possible. As far as I know, the rules of quantum entanglement make it observation-only (i.e. you can change the spin of one entangled particle, but that doesn't change the other one - instead it breaks the entanglement.)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:04 pm UTC

taixzo wrote:I don't think that's possible. As far as I know, the rules of quantum entanglement make it observation-only (i.e. you can change the spin of one entangled particle, but that doesn't change the other one - instead it breaks the entanglement.)
Right. Spins are like the sea. They do what they want. Come to think of it, kittens are like the sea too, and they are easily entangled.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:47 pm UTC

Lotta raptor and squirpy action in those trees - whoever is doing these, besides being a loopist (or just loopy), has put a lot of avianicity into it.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby AluisioASG » Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:51 pm UTC

taixzo wrote:I don't think that's possible. As far as I know, the rules of quantum entanglement make it observation-only (i.e. you can change the spin of one entangled particle, but that doesn't change the other one - instead it breaks the entanglement.)

Can you change it without knowing its previous value? And what's more important, can you detect such a change?

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Re: Time After Time

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Re: 1190: "Time"

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balthasar_s wrote:The NewpixbOTTification software is ready!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:03 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby lmjb1964 » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:10 am UTC

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Hi lmjb! It has been awfully quiet these last few dips, but I'm sure things will pick up again in the new yip.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:49 am UTC

AluisioASG wrote:
taixzo wrote:I don't think that's possible. As far as I know, the rules of quantum entanglement make it observation-only (i.e. you can change the spin of one entangled particle, but that doesn't change the other one - instead it breaks the entanglement.)

Can you change it without knowing its previous value? And what's more important, can you detect such a change?


You can change one, but any change you make does not propagate to the other one. It's like if you had two molpies, and you weren't sure what sort they were; as soon as you got close enough to one to see, it would spontaneously pick a species (say, squirpy), and the other one would pick the same one; but, if you put a long tail on the first to change it into a molpython, the other one would still be a squirpy.

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ucim wrote:Come to think of it, kittens are like the sea too, and they are easily entangled.

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Do quantum kittens produce Cherenkov radiation?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:01 am UTC

taixzo wrote:Do quantum kittens produce Cherenkov radiation?
Only when they're sad.

AluisioASG wrote:Can you change it without knowing its previous value? And what's more important, can you detect such a change?
When you create them, they are entangled, i.e. they have will end up having opposite spins. If you interact with one, the other will instantly have had the opposite spin. The spin of the one you interacted with changes due to your interaction, but the spin of the other does not. The entanglement is broken.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby MistyCat » Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:14 am UTC

I'm in a very good mood ready to celebrate this coming new year. Tonight I shall celebrate. Not only do I intend to carve an extra thick slice from my left-over Christmas baked bean, I'd like to share a few sandcastles with all the winners on this forum.

It's not the least I could do, but what the ch*rp, I'm a cat. I'm just not going to spend the extra effort working out how to do something less.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ergman » Tue Dec 31, 2013 3:43 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:15 am UTC

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Time After Time

Postby mscha » Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:30 am UTC

SHOPLIFTONGS...
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Re: Add Newpixbots to Newpixbots to Newpixbots to Newpixbots

Postby balthasar_s » Tue Dec 31, 2013 9:46 am UTC

HES wrote:Hi lmjb! It has been awfully quiet these last few dips, but I'm sure things will pick up again in the new yip.

They WILL pick up. :evil: *glares at basement*

balthasar_s wrote:The NewpixbOTTification software is ready!

Is there a size constraint? I tried to NewpixbOTTify your NewpixbOTTification and it threw an angry newpixbot at me.

"Newpixbot" doesn't sound like a real word any more.

I didn't create any artificial limit. The result is replaced with mpb.png whenever mustard happens anywhere in the NewpixbOTTification process. I got this without problems:
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How did you try to do this?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby OrbitalFacePalm9001 » Tue Dec 31, 2013 10:20 am UTC

Happy new yip, everymolpy!
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Re: Add Newpixbots to Newpixbots to Newpixbots to Newpixbots

Postby OrbitalFacePalm9001 » Tue Dec 31, 2013 10:24 am UTC

balthasar_s wrote:
HES wrote:Hi lmjb! It has been awfully quiet these last few dips, but I'm sure things will pick up again in the new yip.

They WILL pick up. :evil: *glares at basement*

balthasar_s wrote:The NewpixbOTTification software is ready!

Is there a size constraint? I tried to NewpixbOTTify your NewpixbOTTification and it threw an angry newpixbot at me.

"Newpixbot" doesn't sound like a real word any more.

I didn't create any artificial limit. The result is replaced with mpb.png whenever mustard happens anywhere in the NewpixbOTTification process. I got this without problems:
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How did you try to do this?

ETA: The server may be down for some time today or tomorrow.
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I put the MustardPixBot in an NPB in an NPB.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:04 am UTC

OrbitalFacePalm9001 wrote:Happy new yip, everymolpy!

Happy dip before the new yip? :)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ttscp » Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:32 am UTC

It's 2014O somewhereC right now: Happy New Yip to all ottersE

O Outside. Inside, it's around 23014. I have no idea what it is in the basement; it's too dark to tell.
C Christmas Island and New Zealand
E and everyone else

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Re: 1190: "Newmustardbot"

Postby HES » Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:33 am UTC

Any projections for when we'll reach the newpage of yip?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:01 pm UTC

ttscp wrote:It's 2014O somewhereC right now: Happy New Yip to all ottersE

O Outside. Inside, it's around 23014. I have no idea what it is in the basement; it's too dark to tell.
C Christmas Island and New Zealand
E and everyone else

Edit: basement

In that case,

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