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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby ProletarianAvenger » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:52 am UTC

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I bet they're prosthetics, which is why he firebends whith is forehead.

Everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on their real heads.


I believe the arm+leg(s?) were being referenced. Not the actual forehead being prosthetic.

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Bakemaster wrote:If they keep the theme of naming the seasons/"books" after elements then he'll have to master fire at the end of this season, which implies a fourth season even if it's not "wind", right?


They're supposedly only signed for three seasons total. It's supposed to end after this one.


Yeah. Its supposed to end after this. Since each book is related to a type of bending he hasn't mastered. I don't think it could go any farther than after the eclipse. It would wrap up, but as for a new season, I dunno how long they'd last without losing fans. I'd rather close up honorably.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Belial » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:17 pm UTC

ProletarianAvenger wrote:
Bakemaster wrote:
cephalopod9 wrote:
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I bet they're prosthetics, which is why he firebends whith is forehead.

Everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on their real heads.


I believe the arm+leg(s?) were being referenced. Not the actual forehead being prosthetic.


It was a reference to a song. Joke.

Belial wrote:They're supposedly only signed for three seasons total. It's supposed to end after this one.


Yeah. Its supposed to end after this. Since each book is related to a type of bending he hasn't mastered. I don't think it could go any farther than after the eclipse. It would wrap up, but as for a new season, I dunno how long they'd last without losing fans. I'd rather close up honorably.


I think it can go after the eclipse easily. It's the *comet* that's the real end point.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Bakemaster » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:38 pm UTC

Sounds like someone's rooting for the bad guys.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Belial » Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:38 pm UTC

I'm rooting for drama.

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If Bato and the Earth King's invasion plan goes as planned, it will be somewhat anticlimactic. I expect the day of black sun to be a failure, or at least only a partial success, to build tension for the coming of the comet and the final showdown.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby ProletarianAvenger » Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:05 pm UTC

drama does make a show great.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Girl™ » Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:41 pm UTC

ProletarianAvenger wrote:
Belial wrote:
Bakemaster wrote:If they keep the theme of naming the seasons/"books" after elements then he'll have to master fire at the end of this season, which implies a fourth season even if it's not "wind", right?


They're supposedly only signed for three seasons total. It's supposed to end after this one.


Yeah. Its supposed to end after this. Since each book is related to a type of bending he hasn't mastered. I don't think it could go any farther than after the eclipse. It would wrap up, but as for a new season, I dunno how long they'd last without losing fans. I'd rather close up honorably.


Silence, you, with your logic! I know there's only going to be three seasons, but I can dream, can't I? Maybe they'll magically pull an excellent fourth season out of their asses?
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby une see » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:18 am UTC

Girl™ wrote:
ProletarianAvenger wrote:
Belial wrote:
Bakemaster wrote:If they keep the theme of naming the seasons/"books" after elements then he'll have to master fire at the end of this season, which implies a fourth season even if it's not "wind", right?


They're supposedly only signed for three seasons total. It's supposed to end after this one.


Yeah. Its supposed to end after this. Since each book is related to a type of bending he hasn't mastered. I don't think it could go any farther than after the eclipse. It would wrap up, but as for a new season, I dunno how long they'd last without losing fans. I'd rather close up honorably.


Silence, you, with your logic! I know there's only going to be three seasons, but I can dream, can't I? Maybe they'll magically pull an excellent fourth season out of their asses?


Earthbending style!

I, too, can only hope for a fourth season. Maybe Aang can master the....element of courtship. He can woo Katara...for an entire season? And stuff.

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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Geekthras » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:22 am UTC

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Most likely is that something bad (read: Chernobyl) will happen on eclipse, followed by a concentrated clusterfuck. Then regrouping. Than ass-whuping. Or maybe the firelord will escape and be a real BITCH to track down.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Aleril » Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:01 pm UTC

I really dont care what happens, I just want a shitload of action, a plot twist, and another season after this.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Jesse » Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:13 pm UTC

I would be unhappy with a fourth season. A spin-off? Fine, but a new season would involve stretching out a story that they are stretching out a bit now just to fill a third season.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Bakemaster » Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:40 am UTC

They could always go the DBZ route and have an incrementally more powerful big bad guy show up every time they beat one.

I mean, I hope not, but... okay, there's not really a good side to that. Never mind.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby cephalopod9 » Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:55 am UTC

preeeeequel.
I just like that word.

The guys who make it could also just go on to make a new show. That would be cool too.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby SteelDraco » Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:05 am UTC

Conceivably, the fourth season could be Air, dealing with Aang reestablishing some form of the Air Nomad culture. Without them returning in some fashion, the Avatar Cycle is more or less hosed anyway, since there will only be three more Avatars after Aang. Since every fourth avatar has to be born into the Air Nomad tribe, they need to return in some form.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Belial » Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:00 pm UTC

I wouldn't be surprised if those steampunk types in the northern air temple start giving birth to air benders. Bending is more spiritual than genetic, after all.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby SteelDraco » Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:00 pm UTC

Is it? It's always seemed genetic to me. If it was spiritual, I'd expect to see people bending elements that weren't their nation's element. That's never showed up, which led me to figure it was mostly genetic. 'course, we haven't really seen enough bending families to figure out if it follows bloodlines or anything. Practically everyone in the Fire Nation seems to be a bender, as opposed to the Earth and Water nations, where it's rare. Wonder if the Fire Nation does eugenics programs.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby ProletarianAvenger » Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:10 pm UTC

I would think its more like a martial art. You learn it if you want to learn it, but some people are just more adept than others. I mean, Toph learned it because it empowered her. If this is the case, than I would guess fire benders have to learn as kids, since they were growing up to be part of the nation's miliatry.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Belial » Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:15 pm UTC

'course, we haven't really seen enough bending families to figure out if it follows bloodlines or anything.


Actually.

There were a pair of identical twins in an earth nation town in season one. You only saw them for one scene, but it was long enough for aang to ask "Who here is a bender". One twin replied "I am!" and the other replied "Not me!".

Also, it's been stated that the air nomads were *all* benders (unlike the other three nations), because they were all given such a spiritual upbringing and environment.

To conjecture wildly, I think it might be a matter of what nation you feel you belong to, deep down and spiritually, and how connected you feel to the spirits of your element. And, possibly, which nation the spirits themselves feel you belong to (because, remember, the spirits are a semi-active force in the world.)
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Bakemaster » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:30 pm UTC

And then there's the obvious evidence of Sokka and Katara.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby pieaholicx » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:36 pm UTC

I'd personally venture to say that it's a difference of being born with a sort of "warrior's spirit". Since it seems to me that all of the benders have that kind of spirit behind them naturally, as opposed to somebody like Sokka who tends to scare, and more or less only acts tough.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Bakemaster » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:54 pm UTC

But Sokka's the warrior of the group. He fights at times. And I think charging headlong at Zuko when the fire nation first showed up at the South Pole is more than just an act, even if he did get his ass handed to him, except for the boomerang hit.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby une see » Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:21 am UTC

Why is the show released in the UK before it's released in the US? Seems kind of strange to me. I just watched 306, 307, and 308 on Veoh, and I must say...I'm pretty impressed. Three good episodes in a row...wasn't expecting that after the beach episode.

Spoiler:
Bloodbending. How fucking hot. A little creepy, especially since it was in the Halloween episode (and that old lady was redonk scary), but it's going to be so useful! Um, yeah. I totally want to be a waterbender now.

The Avatar and the Fire Lord was awesome. It's so sad how Roku and Sozin were such good friends, and their friendship ended so bitterly. But at least we got to hear Iroh's new voice for the first time! It sounds a little strange, but it's pretty close to what it was before, and it won't be too difficult to get used to it. This episode was killer. Roku is Zuko's great-grandfather? There's something I didn't expect. And of course, this makes sure that Zuko's going to play possibly the most important role in the entire show, since now he has to choose which great-grandfather's path he wishes to follow: bring balance to the world, or destroy it? Anyway, loved this episode.

The Runaway was interesting, and funny. But not quite as good as the other two. Well, more (good) characterization, which is cool. And Combustion Man (I liked Sparky Sparky Boom Man, though...) made another appearance! Looks like there is a way to stop him after all, at least temporarily.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Gadren » Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:26 am UTC

Just to let y'all know... apparently the UK has all the episodes through 9. And they're on http://watch-avatar.com/. :twisted:

Chapter 06 spoilers:
Spoiler:
First of all, I was expecting it to be the whole "failed invasion" theory that was going around, but it's not. Not a bad episode, but went too far down the path of Cartoon Aesop Syndrome, where episodes have to have lessons at the end. Important backstory, to be sure, but felt like an infodump, and the dialog wasn't as good IMHO as it normally is.

But I don't want to sound like I'm putting this episode down. It was quite good -- really!


Chapter 07 spoilers:
Spoiler:
Cleverness and wit + sweet fight scenes + fun humor + clever in media res storyline + mud wrestling + TOPH TOPH TOPH = BEST. EPISODE. EVAR.


Chapter 08 spoilers:
Spoiler:
This episode wins an internet.
Bloodbending -- very cool, very creepy! Anything that shows the "clever" uses of bending and water extraction is a favorite for me. And such a delight to have a morally grey character like the old lady. And to have Katara use it as well! I'm just so glad that they didn't take the easy way out and have the "heroes" always reject the evil magic as happens too often in fantasy.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Swordfish » Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:10 am UTC

SteelDraco wrote:Conceivably, the fourth season could be Air, dealing with Aang reestablishing some form of the Air Nomad culture. Without them returning in some fashion, the Avatar Cycle is more or less hosed anyway, since there will only be three more Avatars after Aang. Since every fourth avatar has to be born into the Air Nomad tribe, they need to return in some form.


Aang goes through puberty, gets busy with Katara, and boom, more airbenders! :P
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Gadren » Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:18 am UTC

Maybe they'd have some strange combination -- steambenders? :P

Anyway, another great thing about Chapter 7:
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The whole wanted poster thing! It's always funny when Toph has to point out that she can't read things. And when Katara approaches her about the poster as well -- I just giggle at it. I watched those clips like 10 times.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby cephalopod9 » Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:58 am UTC

well, my day is made.
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Spoiler:
the dialogue and character exposition has gone down hill a little bit and gotten rushed. The show's gotten a little sillier all around. ... a lot sillier. (what all was parodied in episode 9?) But I think the imagery (red and blue dragons!) and plot are good enough to keep the show awesome, and it's still fun.
ZOMG, episode ten is going to be the invasion!!?
oh oh, and Combustion Man's foot has springs on the outside. Obviously, he wants to burn the foreheads down, he wants to stop the ones who want a rock to wind a string around.
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speculation: are they making extra silly funny episodes because the second half of the season is really sad? Maybe it's wrong, but I like worrying that they could actually lose. That is all but nonexistant in childrens t.v.

Was it ever explained why the season was pushed back 9 months?
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby ProletarianAvenger » Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:06 pm UTC

Gadren wrote:Chapter 08 spoilers:
Spoiler:
This episode wins an internet.
Bloodbending -- very cool, very creepy! Anything that shows the "clever" uses of bending and water extraction is a favorite for me. And such a delight to have a morally grey character like the old lady. And to have Katara use it as well! I'm just so glad that they didn't take the easy way out and have the "heroes" always reject the evil magic as happens too often in fantasy.


Spoiler:
I thought this was great. It adds so much more to the show. Now Kaatara has a morally wrong power that she, at some point, will struggle with. Should she use the power, or should she lock it up :twisted: ? The potential is so great. I wish Toph would learn something new, already. :o
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby kcr » Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:03 am UTC

Spoilers for Chapters 6-8.
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Ok so I guessed the blood bending before it happened, but that didn't make it any less creepy or disturbing. That woman was nuts. And did we ever find out what was the deal with her puppets? I kinda thought they would be like, the dehydrated bodies of some of her blood bending victims or something. But probably that's too much for a kid's show.

The episode with the "scam" was so ... eh. I have a hard time believing Katara would EVER do anything like that. But using her sweat to waterbend is pretty kick ass.

ROKU IS ZUKO'S GRANDFATHER. (or great grandfather. I forget.) SO GREAT. Does that mean he is related to Aang in some convoluted, spiritual way? Loved the whole episode; it was some great background. Iroh's new voice actor is ok. I doubt I would have noticed if I hadn't known beforehand, and I think he'll get better.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Gadren » Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:13 am UTC

Spoilers for 6-8:
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Well, I think that the puppets weren't anything magical or spiritual. I bet that they were carved by her as trophies. Although, I have heard speculation that she used them to practice by soaking them in water.

As for Katara: I think it's not out there that Katara would propose the scam. Considering that she is always the one staying back at camp cooking and stuff, along with the realization that she's "motherly," she would want to try to fit in more by acting like Toph.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Geekthras » Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:47 am UTC

6-8 Spoilers:
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I'm partway through Episode 8 (I accidentally restarted at "I'll tell you what's in the box..." GRR) and I definitely liked 6 and 7. Hama's clothes look waterbender-ish.

Puppets= creeepy.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Aleril » Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:32 am UTC

Swordfish wrote:Aang goes through puberty, gets busy with Toph, and boom, more airbenders! :P



Fix'd!

But yes, Air would be the logical next choice in the series, and anything after THAT would be pushing it.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Geekthras » Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:36 am UTC

Number 9 was pwnage.
8-9 spoiler
Spoiler:
8:
Hah, totally called that one. Pity she was such a bitch though. And blood bending can only lead to really really bad fanfics.
9:
I've felt that crazy before. Nothing actually talked to me, but I was becoming delirious. The cause? Psycho+The Birds.
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"Oh no my royal parts are showing!" XD priceless
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Bakemaster » Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:21 pm UTC

cephalopod9 wrote:
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oh oh, and Combustion Man's foot has springs on the outside. Obviously, he wants to burn the foreheads down, he wants to stop the ones who want a rock to wind a string around.

Don't worry, Universe Man can stop him.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Belial » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:48 pm UTC

kcr wrote:Iroh's new voice actor is ok. I doubt I would have noticed if I hadn't known beforehand, and I think he'll get better.


Considering the voice actor studied under Mako for years in the theatre, he's probably about as close to Mako's voice as he's ever going to get
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby une see » Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:25 pm UTC

Nightmares and Daydreams was pretty much win.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA greatest episode ever. Aang's such a crazy insomniac. Appa and Momo's voices were redonk awesome- wish they would talk in the actual show. And their fight? Ultra badass, and also ultra adorable. Speaking of adorable- Aang and Katara's kiss?? So sad that it was only a dream! :(

Is the invasion really the next episode, though? What the hell? When is Aang ever going to learn firebending?

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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Jesse » Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:36 pm UTC

Nightmares and Daydreams:
Spoiler:
Yes the invasion is next episode. Clearly there will be plot developments involving Zuko and Iroh. The invasion will fail, this may end up being Aang's fault. Then the build-up will be as we head towards the comet's arrival, with Aang desperately trying to learn firebending (Maybe from Iroh, maybe from Zuko) in order to achieve the balance and stop FirelordOzai before it's too late. Season Finale: Day of the Comet.

That is my prediction anyway.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Belial » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:06 pm UTC

nightmares and daydreams

Spoiler:
yeah, aang doesn't need to know firebending for the invasion because, as sokka pointed out, firebending won't be working then anyway. But, as Jesse said, the invasion will fail, and there will be 10 or so episodes of aang trying to learn firebending and stop Ozai before he harnesses the comet.
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby cephalopod9 » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:26 pm UTC

I'm probably just going flaunt my ignorance of pop culture here, but what all was parodied in that episode?
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There was definitely some anime in the fire lord dreams, Momo and Appa's sword fight was all kinds of classic, and I think I've heard "your my forever girl" before...
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Geekthras » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:39 pm UTC

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not sure about appa+momo

Dreams was definitely Dragonball Z
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Belial » Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:48 am UTC

Spoiler:
I believe "you're my forever girl" is a reference to the Gordon Levert song, "Forever you and me", which contains that line.

The fight nightmares seemed to be references to all kinds of generic fight anime. Naruto, DBZ, etcetera etcetera. I think one costume might have been a reference to Trigun
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Re: Avatar: The Last Airbender

Postby Okita » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:49 am UTC

Belial wrote:nightmares and daydreams

Spoiler:
yeah, aang doesn't need to know firebending for the invasion because, as sokka pointed out, firebending won't be working then anyway. But, as Jesse said, the invasion will fail, and there will be 10 or so episodes of aang trying to learn firebending and stop Ozai before he harnesses the comet.


Unfortunately, there may not be a 4th season. Probably not anyway. Unless people continue to buy DVD's and whatnot. Yay merchandising.
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