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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby poxic » Thu May 22, 2014 11:13 pm UTC

Adacore wrote:I really did not think the US was this much of a lawless wasteland. Can people really just shoot at the sky (drone-related thievery or not), and get away with it reliably?

Depends on where they are. In the middle of a city, probably not. In a mostly-empty central state, probably.

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby e^iπ+1=0 » Thu May 22, 2014 11:48 pm UTC

Yep. It's less a matter of being lawless than it is of being a wasteland.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby speising » Thu May 22, 2014 11:51 pm UTC

i highly doubt the whole drone thing anyway. it's probably just a PR stunt. how should his work? i a city, how is this thing going to find my appartment on the 5th floor? in rural areas, the distances are just to great, they don't exactly have a great reach.
and they'd need a remote pilot, who isn't going to be cheaper than a truck driver.
lastly, there are laws restricting unmanned flying machines filling the airspace.

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby Adacore » Thu May 22, 2014 11:59 pm UTC

speising wrote:i highly doubt the whole drone thing anyway. it's probably just a PR stunt. how should his work? i a city, how is this thing going to find my appartment on the 5th floor? in rural areas, the distances are just to great, they don't exactly have a great reach.
and they'd need a remote pilot, who isn't going to be cheaper than a truck driver.
lastly, there are laws restricting unmanned flying machines filling the airspace.

I'm highly dubious too, but if it is happening I'd assume the major target would be suburbia - distances aren't too big, and there's always somewhere to drop off a package. The legal situation would obviously have to change, I believe Amazon is lobbying for that at the moment. It would seem reasonable to allow small unmanned commercial aircraft to fly at low altitude, with the proper regulation.

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby addams » Fri May 23, 2014 12:48 am UTC

Adacore wrote:
speising wrote:i highly doubt the whole drone thing anyway. it's probably just a PR stunt. how should his work? i a city, how is this thing going to find my appartment on the 5th floor? in rural areas, the distances are just to great, they don't exactly have a great reach.
and they'd need a remote pilot, who isn't going to be cheaper than a truck driver.
lastly, there are laws restricting unmanned flying machines filling the airspace.

I'm highly dubious too, but if it is happening I'd assume the major target would be suburbia - distances aren't too big, and there's always somewhere to drop off a package. The legal situation would obviously have to change, I believe Amazon is lobbying for that at the moment. It would seem reasonable to allow small unmanned commercial aircraft to fly at low altitude, with the proper regulation.

oh, Yes.
It would work.
I could be great in some ways.

Some of the darned things are noisy.
That is ok in city scape, I suppose.
City people are accustomed to the Noise.

I think the technology exists to overcome Adacore"s concerns.
The little ones I have seen have GPS.

What fun in a big city.
Will the Drone deliver to balconies?

Or; Will the cue for elevators be a mix of Drone and Human passengers?
Out in the country setting they can travel 'As The Crow Flies'.

What Fun!
The UPS guy pulls off and sets his flock free.
They make the deliveries and meet him at the next station.

Some of the strong little ones people use for packages have 50 miles of power.
That is enough. If Jethro does not shoot it down. Other countries can!
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby RollingHead » Fri May 23, 2014 7:10 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:Last I knew, UPS didn't make left turns if the could help it. so if you live to the left of the warehouse.... Your shit's getting delivered at 4:55.

Is this a Zoolander joke or is there an actual reason for this I'm missing?

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby NecklaceOfShadow » Fri May 23, 2014 7:15 pm UTC

RollingHead wrote:
SecondTalon wrote:Last I knew, UPS didn't make left turns if the could help it. so if you live to the left of the warehouse.... Your shit's getting delivered at 4:55.

Is this a Zoolander joke or is there an actual reason for this I'm missing?

It's a real thing. They do it to save fuel. Mythbusters did an ep on it a while back. It's worth it for large, laden trucks, but not for general driving, iirc.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby Magnanimous » Fri May 23, 2014 7:42 pm UTC

I feel like drones would be flying way too high to be shot down, except when they're landing. Whatever the regulations end up being, the airspace would probably be at least several hundred feet high.

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby SecondTalon » Fri May 23, 2014 8:40 pm UTC

RollingHead wrote:
SecondTalon wrote:Last I knew, UPS didn't make left turns if the could help it. so if you live to the left of the warehouse.... Your shit's getting delivered at 4:55.

Is this a Zoolander joke or is there an actual reason for this I'm missing?

Taking a left means crossing an oncoming lane of traffic or waiting at left-turn lights which sometimes take more time.

Turning right does not cross oncoming traffic.

If you have a bunch of deliveries, it makes sense to do them in a circle so as to minimize the time you're retracing areas you've already been in, or at least a straight line (or as straight as you can get). If you find yourself going down the same road twice, you've fucked up.

So your options are basically right circles, where you don't turn against oncoming traffic, or left circles where you do. Right's faster.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby SecondTalon » Fri May 23, 2014 8:41 pm UTC

Oh, and the left turn often means you're having to pay attention and time your turning with Three other lanes (the lane you're crossing and the two lanes you're turning on to) while a right turn means you only pay attention to one lane (the lane you're turning in to)
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby addams » Sat May 24, 2014 7:44 am UTC

Delivery systems use ant behavior.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n0SkIGARuo


Long and boring.
I liked it.

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby K-R » Sat May 24, 2014 10:15 am UTC

So I was on eBay today, and saw this:
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*sigh*

I wonder what would have happened if I'd checked the 'missing part preventing use' or whatever that checkbox was. Maybe they'd have insisted on him sending the box, instead of upholding his alternate reality in which I'm trying to scam him, rather than him trying to scam me.

Here's a picture of the item he should have sent, next to the box in which he alleges he sent it:
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Somehow I don't think it would have fit.


And now I have three copies, and far less money than I'd like.

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby 3rdtry » Mon May 26, 2014 11:10 am UTC

With the current copyright law, Windows XP will enter public domain in 2096. The vast majority of people reading this today will be dead by then. This means for the next 82 years nobody will be allowed to distribute parts of Windows' code unless Microsoft lets you, meaning there will be no legal way to run any software that needs XP libraries until the Wine project manages to reimplement them completely (which, seeing their progress, will probably take longer). We might have space elevators and nanocomputers running inside our blood cells by then, but running software from 2001? Preposterous.

I suppose that's a necessary evil. Who would ever want to develop new software if they could only sell it for the next 50 years? Plus, some people wouldn't be able to get money from things their grandparents did, and that would be awful. And it's not like free access to some software has ever been immensely beneficial for society or anything.

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby bigglesworth » Mon May 26, 2014 2:30 pm UTC

Rant: I was reading the poem "The Chaos" (here), but stopped part-way. The author rhymes "Terpsichore" with "trickery", when it actually rhymes with "beer" (or at least does so a lot more closely than with "trickery").

Edit: "enough" doesn't rhyme with "cough" either.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby yurell » Mon May 26, 2014 2:37 pm UTC

bigglesworth wrote:Rant: I was reading the poem "The Chaos" (here), but stopped part-way. The author rhymes "Terpsichore" with "trickery", when it actually rhymes with "beer" (or at least does so a lot more closely than with "trickery").


Really? I just looked it up on Wikipedia and it gave /tərpˈsɪkəriː/, indicating that it doesn't rhyme with beer at all. I don't know how the emphasis works, so I can't say that it's a perfect rhyme with 'trickery', but the final syllable looks pretty similar.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby bigglesworth » Mon May 26, 2014 2:51 pm UTC

Hmm. Maybe it's one of those foreign words with a standard pronunciation in English which isn't the same as in its original language, but it seems too obscure for that to have occurred.
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Postby yurell » Mon May 26, 2014 2:56 pm UTC

It did go from Greek to English via Latin, so maybe that did something to it.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby brenok » Mon May 26, 2014 3:48 pm UTC

bigglesworth wrote:Hmm. Maybe it's one of those foreign words with a standard pronunciation in English which isn't the same as in its original language, but it seems too obscure for that to have occurred.

I think I've heard about these words. They're called "The English Language Vocabulary".

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby WibblyWobbly » Mon May 26, 2014 4:11 pm UTC

bigglesworth wrote:Rant: I was reading the poem "The Chaos" (here), but stopped part-way. The author rhymes "Terpsichore" with "trickery", when it actually rhymes with "beer" (or at least does so a lot more closely than with "trickery").

Edit: "enough" doesn't rhyme with "cough" either.

Yeah, the only way I've ever heard it pronounced (or seen it in a pronunciation guide) rhymes pretty well with "trickery". Can you show the alternate (perhaps original) pronunciation?

And "enough" not rhyming with "cough" was the point, wasn't it?

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby bigglesworth » Mon May 26, 2014 4:23 pm UTC

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby speising » Mon May 26, 2014 5:13 pm UTC

doesn't english poetry play fast and loose with rhyme anyway?

What immortal hand or eye / Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby bigglesworth » Mon May 26, 2014 5:46 pm UTC

Absolutely - but not in this poem.
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Postby Kewangji » Tue May 27, 2014 10:25 am UTC

speising wrote:doesn't english poetry play fast and loose with rhyme anyway?

What immortal hand or eye / Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

Didn't that rhyme pretty well in Blake's accent?
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby speising » Tue May 27, 2014 1:48 pm UTC

Kewangji wrote:
speising wrote:doesn't english poetry play fast and loose with rhyme anyway?

What immortal hand or eye / Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

Didn't that rhyme pretty well in Blake's accent?


i wouldn't know, which accent was that? does that mean he pronounced "eye" like -y or symmetry like symmetrye (like thy)?

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Postby NecklaceOfShadow » Tue May 27, 2014 4:01 pm UTC

symmetry like thy, iirc
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Postby Kewangji » Tue May 27, 2014 7:50 pm UTC

Yeah, try like thy. This was after the Great Vowel Shift so I guess some [aɪ]->[ɪ] shift must have happened after that, for some vowels at the ends of words.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby Diadem » Wed May 28, 2014 10:36 pm UTC

bigglesworth wrote:Edit: "enough" doesn't rhyme with "cough" either.

Huh, what?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio.ph ... %CC%87f%5C
http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio.ph ... %C9%99-%5C
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Seems to rhyme pretty well.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby addams » Wed May 28, 2014 11:06 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:
bigglesworth wrote:Edit: "enough" doesn't rhyme with "cough" either.

Huh, what?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio.ph ... %CC%87f%5C
http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio.ph ... %C9%99-%5C
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Seems to rhyme pretty well.

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It allowed me to make a choice.
I was braced for it. (*cough*)
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby bigglesworth » Wed May 28, 2014 11:06 pm UTC

In the same way that buff and boff rhyme.
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Postby yurell » Wed May 28, 2014 11:43 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:
bigglesworth wrote:Edit: "enough" doesn't rhyme with "cough" either.

Huh, what? ... Seems to rhyme pretty well.


'Enough' rhymes with words ending in -ʌf, while 'cough' rhymes with words ending in -ɒf, at least around here. If anything, it's an oblique rhyme.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby Adacore » Thu May 29, 2014 12:40 am UTC

I know there are accents in which 'enough' and 'cough' would rhyme, but I'm not sure if this poem in question was intended to be read in one of them.

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby rat4000 » Thu May 29, 2014 9:03 am UTC

NecklaceOfShadow wrote:symmetry like thy, iirc
Weirdly enough, I remember it exactly the other way ("eye" as "ee" up until late 1800s). No idea where I read that, though. Could someone offer an argument? It's something that's been bugging me for a while.

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby roband » Thu May 29, 2014 8:37 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:
bigglesworth wrote:Edit: "enough" doesn't rhyme with "cough" either.

Huh, what?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio.ph ... %CC%87f%5C
http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio.ph ... %C9%99-%5C
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Seems to rhyme pretty well.

I got so hyped up for an interesting accent where these two words rhyme. And then they didn't.

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby Angua » Thu May 29, 2014 9:00 pm UTC

I think they rhyme for me (both rhyme with 'off'). Though I hear enough rhyming with fluff enough that I wonder if I'm wrong about how I generally pronounce it and just being self conscious.

Of course, I have a weird mixed up accent that comes from everywhere and nowhere.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby Ashlah » Thu May 29, 2014 9:01 pm UTC

People RSVPing to the wedding with additional, uninvited guests. A classic pant. Sigh.

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby roband » Thu May 29, 2014 9:03 pm UTC

Angua wrote:I think they rhyme for me (both rhyme with 'off').

I can see that in a Scottish accent, but in my English one it's very much -off and -uff sounds.

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby phlip » Thu May 29, 2014 11:33 pm UTC

Yeah, for me "enough" rhymes with "cuff", which is definitely not a homophone of "cough".

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby Envelope Generator » Fri May 30, 2014 9:29 am UTC

The -uff/-off vowel difference totally stumps me, as an ESL speaker. The distinction seems so subtle to me that I don't understand how it can persist, yet it will burn you viciously when you try to play crambo on a forum with native speakers.
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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby Chen » Fri May 30, 2014 11:30 am UTC

Ashlah wrote:People RSVPing to the wedding with additional, uninvited guests. A classic pant. Sigh.


Fortunately I haven't gotten any of these yet. I'm not really clear why people think this is acceptable though. You were quite specific on the invite. Why do they suddenly think it's ok to bring more people? What other situation where invites go out, is it acceptable to do this?

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Re: Pant Thread (because we need more panting)

Postby SecondTalon » Fri May 30, 2014 11:44 am UTC

Envelope Generator wrote:The -uff/-off vowel difference totally stumps me, as an ESL speaker. The distinction seems so subtle to me that I don't understand how it can persist, yet it will burn you viciously when you try to play crambo on a forum with native speakers.

-off is the sound you make when punched in the stomach, -uff is the sound you make when kicked in the junk.
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