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1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby Dr What » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:17 am UTC

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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby Tirian » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:21 am UTC

Verbing weirds language.

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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby Nakis » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:23 am UTC

Not to go all language nerd, but isn't "language nerd" describing how one goes, and therefore an adverb?

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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby rhomboidal » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:30 am UTC

They then spend the next fourteen hours arguing over "language nerd" vs "language geek."

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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby Eternal Density » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:44 am UTC

I don't mean to go all OTTer on you, but I just molpish OTTified Language Nerd.
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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby azule » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:56 am UTC

I OTT (ought) to OTT you for that.

(I don't know what I mean, does everyone else know what they're saying?)

I like this comic. But, why is she saying all this to begin with?
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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby MisterFanwank » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:12 am UTC

I see two ways to parse the use of "language nerd":

1. "I don't mean to go all on you." In this case, "to go all" is not limited by subject, whatever this slang phrase actually means. Note the atypical noun and adjective placement when "all" is modified by "language nerd" in the original version.

2. "I don't mean to go language nerd on you." In this case, "language nerd" is a noun, and is not being given emphasis by the adjective form of "all".

By context it seems option #1 is the construction Randall intended, and I won't begrudge him for using slang however he wants, but I think option #2 is less stilted. On the flip side, I suppose you could say "all" is being used as an intensifier, but then "language nerd" wouldn't be modifying anything.
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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby BlitzGirl » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:19 am UTC

This is what language nerds do for fun. :wink:
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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby Antior » Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:00 am UTC

I 'laugh out loud'ed.

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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby Lazar » Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:38 am UTC

In my area, I find that "legit" is more often used as an adverb than as an adjective. He legit said that!
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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby StClair » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:20 am UTC

Triple Nerd Score.

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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby Invertin » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:24 am UTC

It just occured to me that as many 'nouns used as verbs' I've seen, I've never seen a verb used as a noun.

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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby crabbadon » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:46 am UTC

Invertin wrote:It just occured to me that as many 'nouns used as verbs' I've seen, I've never seen a verb used as a noun.

Yeah you have, all the time! Verb>noun derivation is really rampant in English - just about every verb will do it. Ing-form gerunds are the easiest way (the opening of parliament, the taming of the shrew, the shining, the reckoning...) but verbs will happily convert (i.e. have nouns derived from them without any special morphological marker) - the patter of tiny feet, the break of day.

Incidentally, I'd question whether "language nerd" is really being used as an adjective in this context. A lot of syntactic slots accept nouns and adjectives (or rather, noun phrases and adjective phrases) equally happily. I don't think "language nerd" can acceptably be adjectivised like that. Consider:

Adjective:
The red breakroom is down the hall.
The breakroom down the hall is red.
The breakroom down the hall went all red.

Noun:
The tax collector breakroom is down the hall.
*The breakroom down the hall is tax collector.
I don't want to go all tax collector on you, but you haven't paid your taxes.

Noun:
The language nerd questioned the idea that 'language nerd' in the construction 'Go all X' was an adjective.
*The critic was language nerd
I went all language nerd and pointed out that this construction accepts nouns.

See what I mean?

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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby Envelope Generator » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:54 am UTC

Invertin wrote:It just occured to me that as many 'nouns used as verbs' I've seen, I've never seen a verb used as a noun.


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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby cellocgw » Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:25 pm UTC

Lazar wrote:In my area, I find that "legit" is more often used as an adverb than as an adjective. He legit said that!

Naaah, that's just a contraction/abbreviation for the legitimately valid "legitimately". Tho' it's a gross misuse of the legit meaning of the word "legitimately".

Meanwhile...

Came to see arguments about whether GLR's use of "language nerd" was an adjective or a noun. Was not disappointed. Would legit go all bobcat on people nouning verbs.
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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby jc » Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:01 pm UTC

Invertin wrote:It just occured to me that as many 'nouns used as verbs' I've seen, I've never seen a verb used as a noun.

To add to the others' examples, last year I built a flagstone walk around the south side of our house. Yesterday I went for a brief run. I'm playing at a dance this evening. My wife gave a brief talk at a local meeting last night.

We could debate (have a debate about?) whether a particular word originated as a verb or noun, but I'm guessing that walk, run, dance and talk all started off as verbs. Many languages use explicit affixes to mark the grammatical function of such words, and English has some relic markers, but like the other Germanic languages, word order is often used instead of markers to determine a word's grammatical class, so simple words need not be marked as verbs, nouns or adjectives much of the time.

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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby flamewise » Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:05 pm UTC

Tirian wrote:Verbing weirds language.


Thank you. That was my first thought, too.

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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby Barstro » Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:12 pm UTC

Invertin wrote:It just occured to me that as many 'nouns used as verbs' I've seen, I've never seen a verb used as a noun.


And yet, I've always been taken by the fact that people often noun verbs.

I find it interesting that "verb" is a noun. Sure, it makes sense when you think about it, but it's not quite intuitive. Most of the time that someone uses a verb as a noun, it's actually just an accepted definition that has already become a noun. Swimming becomes "going for a swim".

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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby mathmannix » Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:36 pm UTC

She also "verbed" "adjective" and "verb" (not that that hadn't been done, see above quotes, ref. Calvin and Hobbes (1993).)

Moreover, "legit" is not a word ... well, okay, obviously it's a word, but not a --- dare I say it --- legitimate word. It is a bastardation of legitimate, considered slang or informal. Thus, as it is already an illegitimate (and therefore heterological) word, nobody should really care if its part of speech is misappropriated.
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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby Klear » Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:49 pm UTC

Am I the only one bothered by the fact that when she says "but I just", the adverbation of "legit" has yet to take place? I don't know about you, but it kinda ruins it for me.
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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby orthogon » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:00 pm UTC

Klear wrote:Am I the only one bothered by the fact that when she says "but I just", the the adverbation of "legit" has yet to take place? I don't know about you, but it kinda ruins it for me.

You are not the only one. The correct use of grammatical tense in a self-referential sentence is always going to be tricky, though.
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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby mathmannix » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:36 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:
Klear wrote:Am I the only one bothered by the fact that when she says "but I just", the the adverbation of "legit" has yet to take place? I don't know about you, but it kinda ruins it for me.

You are not the only one. The correct use of grammatical tense in a self-referential sentence is always going to be tricky, though.

No, not tricky - it's called present tense
I legit adverb "legit"

or present progressive tense
I am legit adverbing "legit" [right now!]
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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby bolson » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:46 pm UTC

This is clearly just trolling Language Log[1] to talk about him again.

[1] http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/

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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby Envelope Generator » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:59 pm UTC

I remembered a wonderful example of undiluted verb-as-noun, in a poem by Ted Hughes seemingly describing a door being opened to a knocking beggar."He knows he stands / In a shatter of your expectations."
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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby Envelope Generator » Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:05 pm UTC

bolson wrote:This is clearly just trolling Language Log[1] to talk about him again.

[1] http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/


A-ha. On Monday he was clearly aiming for In the Pipeline[2]. But what was last Friday's target?


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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby dash » Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:29 pm UTC

This sentence no verb.
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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby RAGBRAIvet » Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:19 pm UTC

The English language is constantly changing and evolving.
However, a brief view of historical usage will show that, as in nature, many of these evolutions lead to dead ends.

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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby Gargravarr » Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:57 pm UTC

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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby Yablo » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:04 pm UTC

Klear wrote:Am I the only one bothered by the fact that when she says "but I just", the adverbation of "legit" has yet to take place? I don't know about you, but it kinda ruins it for me.

I tend to assume the sentence itself isn't complete until you reach the period. Once you reach that point, the entire sentence becomes official. In that case, something like "I wrote this sentence" is correct while "I am writing this sentence" is not.
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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby Klear » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:19 pm UTC

Yablo wrote:
Klear wrote:Am I the only one bothered by the fact that when she says "but I just", the adverbation of "legit" has yet to take place? I don't know about you, but it kinda ruins it for me.

I tend to assume the sentence itself isn't complete until you reach the period. Once you reach that point, the entire sentence becomes official. In that case, something like "I wrote this sentence" is correct while "I am writing this sentence" is not.


That obviously works for written sentences, not so much when they are spoken.

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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby orthogon » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:23 pm UTC

Yablo wrote:
Klear wrote:Am I the only one bothered by the fact that when she says "but I just", the adverbation of "legit" has yet to take place? I don't know about you, but it kinda ruins it for me.

I tend to assume the sentence itself isn't complete until you reach the period. Once you reach that point, the entire sentence becomes official. In that case, something like "I wrote this sentence" is correct while "I am writing this sentence" is not.

Surely not. Back when writing letters was a thing, almost all of my formal letters used to begin "Dear X, I am writing ...". I actually agree with mathmannix that the present continuous (or perhaps the simple present) is the only tense that makes sense. It's better for the reader to have to put him/herself in the position the writer was in whilst writing the letter, since the facts and conditions relevant to the statements made in the letter are those that prevailed at the time the writing was being done.
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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:07 pm UTC

Things got heated after I prepositioned his mother.
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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby schapel » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:15 pm UTC

Invertin wrote:It just occured to me that as many 'nouns used as verbs' I've seen, I've never seen a verb used as a noun.

I went for a walk this morning. I swallowed a fly halfway through. My spit tasted funny after that. To get rid of the taste I ate an orange. Wait, that last one was an adjective. My bad!

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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby Klear » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:21 pm UTC

dash wrote:This sentence no verb.
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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby Flumble » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:31 pm UTC

To elaborate:
...adverbed "legit", verbed and adjectived "adverb" and "language nerd", respectively, and concealed an Oxford comma.

All language nerdery ought to include* a reference to the serial comma.


*Is there no affix/inflection of necessity/compulsion in English? Similar to the use of the gerundive "Carthago delenda est" in Latin, but using morphology rather than grammar.


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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby Coyoty » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:21 pm UTC

Word.

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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby justinlbarker » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:39 pm UTC

crabbadon wrote:verbs will happily convert (i.e. have nouns derived from them without any special morphological marker) - the patter of tiny feet, the break of day.

But how do you know that "patter" and "break" aren't nouns that sometimes convert to verbs?

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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby bolson » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:19 pm UTC

bolson wrote:This is clearly just trolling Language Log[1] to talk about him again.

[1] http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/


Called it. There it is, posted 4:40pm US/Eastern:
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=15576

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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby xtifr » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:23 pm UTC

Klear wrote:Am I the only one bothered by the fact that when she says "but I just", the adverbation of "legit" has yet to take place? I don't know about you, but it kinda ruins it for me.

Only if you assume this is the first instance of the sentence. If (as is almost certainly the case), the speaker ran the sentence through her mind before uttering it, then the initial adverbation took place in her mind, and is indeed in the past.

Imagine, if you will, the whole thing being followed with "and am now demonstrating this to you."
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Re: 1443: "Language Nerd"

Postby StClair » Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:41 am UTC

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