My Number Is Not Your Number!

For all your silly time-killing forum games.

Moderators: jestingrabbit, Moderators General, Prelates

Daggoth
Posts: 52
Joined: Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:37 am UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Daggoth » Sat Apr 11, 2015 6:28 am UTC

You can't eat a NAN but you can eat a cherry, so they're different.



I actually can't. there are no cherries right here right now. So i claim your entry to be invalid.

User avatar
SirGabriel
Posts: 42
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:54 pm UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby SirGabriel » Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:27 am UTC

2

Cherry is singular, but 2 is more than 1, so they're different.

User avatar
Vytron
Posts: 429
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:11 am UTC
Location: The Outside. I use She/He/Her/His/Him as gender neutral pronouns :P

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Vytron » Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:25 pm UTC

Daggoth wrote:I actually can't. there are no cherries right here right now.


Not my fault, you could find one if you looked hard enough. Unless you want to claim cherries don't exist, my entry is valid.

Nitrodon
Posts: 497
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:11 pm UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Nitrodon » Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:44 pm UTC

Regarding a recent entry:
1. You must post a number that is different to the last number posted.
(emphasis mine)

2.1

The previous number is an integer, and this one is not. Hence they are different.

GoogologyMaster
Posts: 5
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:49 pm UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby GoogologyMaster » Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:30 pm UTC

A

The previous entry starts with a T but this entry starts with an A so my entry is different

User avatar
Vytron
Posts: 429
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:11 am UTC
Location: The Outside. I use She/He/Her/His/Him as gender neutral pronouns :P

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Vytron » Sun Apr 12, 2015 1:56 am UTC

Nitrodon wrote:Regarding a recent entry:
1. You must post a number that is different to the last number posted.
(emphasis mine)


Agreed, I'm posting cherry as a parody to people posting NAN which should be against the rules.

1.2

The last entry (Nitrodon's entry, I'm ignoring GoogologyMaster's because: 1.He didn't send a number and 2, he claims Nitrodon's entry starts with a T, but that'd only true in English, if 2.1 begins with an A in some other language GoogologyMaster could have sent the same number) is twice this entry. None of the entries are 0 (the only number that is the same when doubled), so they must be different.

Nitrodon
Posts: 497
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:11 pm UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Nitrodon » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:04 am UTC

I object. Twice 1.2 is 2.4, which you haven't shown to be the same as 2.1.

User avatar
Vytron
Posts: 429
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:11 am UTC
Location: The Outside. I use She/He/Her/His/Him as gender neutral pronouns :P

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Vytron » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:25 am UTC

Man, I fail at math, this should be:

4.2

The last entry (Nitrodon's entry, I'm ignoring GoogologyMaster's because: 1.He didn't send a number and 2, he claims Nitrodon's entry starts with a T, but that'd only true in English, if 2.1 begins with an A in some other language GoogologyMaster could have sent the same number) is half this entry. None of the entries are 0 (the only number that is the same when halved), so they must be different.

User avatar
SirGabriel
Posts: 42
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:54 pm UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby SirGabriel » Sun Apr 12, 2015 3:47 am UTC

0

Vytron already pointed out that his number isn't 0, so they're different.

User avatar
Vytron
Posts: 429
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:11 am UTC
Location: The Outside. I use She/He/Her/His/Him as gender neutral pronouns :P

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Vytron » Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:54 am UTC

Negative infinity.

Note that this is the negative equivalent of the cardinal number that shows the cardinality of a set that contains all sets (it may or may not contain itself depending of the axioms chosen, but no matter the axioms, such a set exists in all theories that use sets) so it IS a number (calling it infinity may be a misnomer but you get the idea if what I mean - i.e. negative aleph null could also work for this).

Negative infinity has the propierty that if:

x=Negative infinity

Then:

x-1=x

0 doesn't have this property so it must be different.

GoogologyMaster
Posts: 5
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:49 pm UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby GoogologyMaster » Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:14 am UTC

12

The previous number is negative and this number is not negative so they're different.

Daggoth
Posts: 52
Joined: Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:37 am UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Daggoth » Sun Apr 12, 2015 3:56 pm UTC

So you complain about NAN but give negative infinity thats real consistent

User avatar
SirGabriel
Posts: 42
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:54 pm UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby SirGabriel » Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:03 pm UTC

73

The previous number is the atomic number of Magnesium. This number is the atomic number of Tantalum. Since Magnesium and Tantalum are different elements, and no two elements have the same atomic number, they are different numbers.

GoogologyMaster
Posts: 5
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:49 pm UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby GoogologyMaster » Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:31 pm UTC

37

This is the previous number reversed and it's not a palindrome. So it is a different number.

User avatar
Vytron
Posts: 429
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:11 am UTC
Location: The Outside. I use She/He/Her/His/Him as gender neutral pronouns :P

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Vytron » Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:26 am UTC

Daggoth wrote:So you complain about NAN but give negative infinity thats real consistent


I specifically referred to its cardinality, and cardinal numbers are numbers. NAN specifically means "Not A Number" and the rules of the thread ask us to post a number.

84

If this number and the previous one were divided by 10, and truncated, one would be even, and the other odd, so they must be different.

User avatar
firesoul31
Posts: 93
Joined: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:30 pm UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby firesoul31 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:58 pm UTC

0, because 84 is a natural number, 83 is a natural number, 84 is the successor of 83, and there is no natural number with a successor of 0.
Pronouns: she/her/hers or they/them please.

User avatar
Vytron
Posts: 429
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:11 am UTC
Location: The Outside. I use She/He/Her/His/Him as gender neutral pronouns :P

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Vytron » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:46 am UTC

I disagree. 0 is the successor of -1, so our numbers could be the same.

GoogologyMaster
Posts: 5
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:49 pm UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby GoogologyMaster » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:11 pm UTC

1

This number is the additive inverse of the previous number and is nonzero.

User avatar
Vytron
Posts: 429
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:11 am UTC
Location: The Outside. I use She/He/Her/His/Him as gender neutral pronouns :P

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Vytron » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:21 pm UTC

sqrt(2)

Multiplied by itself, this number doesn't equal itself. The previous number does, so they must be different.

User avatar
SirGabriel
Posts: 42
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:54 pm UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby SirGabriel » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:25 pm UTC

2

The previous number multiplied by itself doesn't equal itself, but it does equal this number, so they're different.

User avatar
Vytron
Posts: 429
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:11 am UTC
Location: The Outside. I use She/He/Her/His/Him as gender neutral pronouns :P

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Vytron » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:39 pm UTC

4

The previous number multiplied by itself doesn't equal itself, but it does equal this number, so they're different.

Nitrodon
Posts: 497
Joined: Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:11 pm UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Nitrodon » Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:49 pm UTC

16

The previous number multiplied by itself doesn't equal itself, but it does equal this number, so they're different.

User avatar
firesoul31
Posts: 93
Joined: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:30 pm UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby firesoul31 » Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:26 pm UTC

Vytron wrote:I disagree. 0 is the successor of -1, so our numbers could be the same.


But -1 is not a natural number.

2

The previous number was non-prime, but this number is subprime.
Pronouns: she/her/hers or they/them please.

User avatar
Vytron
Posts: 429
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:11 am UTC
Location: The Outside. I use She/He/Her/His/Him as gender neutral pronouns :P

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Vytron » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:41 am UTC

Well, I'd argue I use negative numbers when counting, just like some people argue 0 is part of the natural numbers, but I guess a single valid definition suffices, so nevermind.

The hour on the clock.

Whatever it is, just wait until it's not the previous number, and they'll be different.

User avatar
Reecer6
Posts: 101
Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:59 am UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Reecer6 » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:27 am UTC

I'm going to challenge that! Prove that 2 is not simultaneously every single time. I'm fairly certain it's at least two of them!

User avatar
Vytron
Posts: 429
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:11 am UTC
Location: The Outside. I use She/He/Her/His/Him as gender neutral pronouns :P

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Vytron » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:19 am UTC

Not on a clock with 24 hours.

Also, it's different in some part of the world, always.

Take that!

User avatar
zabing12
Posts: 5
Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:33 am UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby zabing12 » Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:27 am UTC

808017424794512875886459904961710757005754368×10^9

The above integer is the size of the monster group, the largest of the sporadic groups. This gives it a relatively high degree of canonical-ity. It’s unclear (at least to me) why there should be any sporadic groups, or why, given that they exist, there should only be finitely many. Since there is, however, there must be something fairly special about the largest possible one.

Also contributing to the difference of this number is the remarkable properties of the monster group itself, which has been realized (actually, was constructed as) a group of rotations in 196,883-dimensional space, representing in some sense a limit to the amount of symmetry such a space can possess.
Get a cooler number than that, B****.
Also the last poster didn't specify a number, so mine is different.

User avatar
Vytron
Posts: 429
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:11 am UTC
Location: The Outside. I use She/He/Her/His/Him as gender neutral pronouns :P

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Vytron » Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:53 am UTC

zabing12 wrote:Also the last poster didn't specify a number, so mine is different.


You're meant to challenge the last valid number, which was mine posted here. Though, your proof does work for them being different, and conversely, a clock never shows the monster group in their clock.

This video is highly recommended for people that didn't know about the Monster Group, and this follow up.

Basically, it is the most mysterious mystery (sic) of mathematics, ranking higher than whether P=NP, or whether the Riemann hypothesis is true (etc.) because for such yet unsolved problems, we know the potential answers, or what their solutions would entail. For the monster group, nobody has any clue about why it exists at all. It shouldn't.

zabing12 wrote:Get a cooler number than that, B****.


Challenge accepted.

You might have seen this number in the other thread, I use it prominently for a reason:

4/sqrt(phi)

Or in other words:

"Four divided by the square root of the golden ratio."

Why is it cooler than the monster group?

Because that's what you get when trying to measure the ratio of a disk's circumference to its diameter in real life.

This is, real life pi, as opposed to the mathematical pi, because apparently, in real life circles aren't infinitely sized polygons, but physical objects where the center has the same distance to all points of its edge, and four divided by the square root of the golden ratio is the ratio of a disk's circumference to its diameter, not 𝜋.

How cool is that.

And the monster group's integer is the size is more than 4 while 4/sqrt(phi) is less than 4, so they must be different.

User avatar
zabing12
Posts: 5
Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:33 am UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby zabing12 » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:42 am UTC

0 Is my answer. (Can we continue this cool number thing on my thread XD)
0

The number 0 is totally taken for granted, which, when considering that it represents nothing, is somewhat understandable. But it does serve some important functions, including as an empty place-value in our decimal number system. How else, for example, could we express the year 1906 in the decimal system without it?

Sure, the universe starts to melt when you try to divide by it, but 0 can serve some important roles in equations, including those that involve addition, multiplication, and subtraction. Numbers can also be raised by the power 0, which will always produce the value of 1. And if you raise 0 to power of anything, you still get 0. But, if try to do 0^0, math goes all squirrel again and the answer becomes basically anything (an “indeterminate form”).

Lastly, the sum of 0 numbers is 0, but the product of 0 numbers is 1. And 0 is neither positive, nor negative. It’s not a prime number, and it's not a unit.
Also, going back to the answer becomes basically anything (an “indeterminate form”), all numbers, including negatives, equal 0. (1+-1)+(2+-2)... and so on would equal 0. A line, subtracted form a line, plus a square, minus a square, Plus a cube and so on would mean that ALL dimensions equal the 0th dimension. So, mathematically, the 0th dimension IS ALL DIMENSIONS. 0 is everything.
Beat that in coolness.
also, 0 is different because it isn't real( Or is it? If the 0th dimension is everything, that means that 0 is the sum of all things and the absence of everything, meaning that 0 is everything AND nothing at the same time.)

sorry about me jumping around, I'm just so excited.

User avatar
zabing12
Posts: 5
Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:33 am UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby zabing12 » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:45 am UTC


User avatar
Vytron
Posts: 429
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:11 am UTC
Location: The Outside. I use She/He/Her/His/Him as gender neutral pronouns :P

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Vytron » Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:19 pm UTC

Against that I send:

-0

Negative zero.

Also known as signed zero, this guy usually behaves like 0 in most number systems, which makes it, by default, at least as cool as 0.

However, in number systems where we have:

1/0=

We have:

1/-0=-∞

So it is cooler than 0.

If that's not enough:

The square root of -0 is -0.

-0/=0

But that's not all!

When projectively extending a real line you can use -0 to denote the point that connects the positive and the negative numbers. That would make the number line a circle with 0 at one side and -0 at the other, where -0 behaves like an infinity that doesn't care from what side you approach it:

Image

And if that doesn't convince you, there's Transreal arithmetic where you have:

0/0=-0
00=-0
*0=-0
-=-0
-0+a=-0
--0=-0

And you may say "but that's just NAN", except -0=-0 is true while NAN=NAN is false!

Some things of note:

00=0/0

a-a=0 except for -0 where -0--0=-0

Canceling 0 with its reciprocal gives -0.

There's a negative negative zero, and a negative negative negative zero, and you can pile up infinitely many negatives in there, and all of them equal negative zero.

Any term that contains -0 is -0.

And this makes -0 some kind of badass infinity. How can you top that?

Spoiler:
-0.png
-0.png (14.54 KiB) Viewed 3428 times

GoogologyMaster
Posts: 5
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:49 pm UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby GoogologyMaster » Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:45 pm UTC

According to my calculator, -0 and 0 are the same number.

I'll send:
2

This number multiplied by itself gives a different number but 0 multiplied by itself is still 0.

User avatar
Vytron
Posts: 429
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:11 am UTC
Location: The Outside. I use She/He/Her/His/Him as gender neutral pronouns :P

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Vytron » Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:53 pm UTC

GoogologyMaster wrote:According to my calculator, -0 and 0 are the same number.


You're inserting two symbols, minus and 0, the -0 I'm sending is a single character.

So it's your calculator's fault that it doesn't have the -0 key.

-0 multiplied by itself gives -0, so I guess our numbers are still different.

I send:

e

To write in decimal, e requires the usage of a decimal point, while the last number didn't, so they must be different.

User avatar
SuperJedi224
Posts: 16
Joined: Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:19 pm UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby SuperJedi224 » Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:03 pm UTC

17

17>e, therefore, 17≠e.

GoogologyMaster
Posts: 5
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:49 pm UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby GoogologyMaster » Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:18 pm UTC

15

This number can be written as a product of two integers > 1. 15=3x5. The previous number doesn't have this property.

User avatar
Vytron
Posts: 429
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:11 am UTC
Location: The Outside. I use She/He/Her/His/Him as gender neutral pronouns :P

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Vytron » Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:33 pm UTC

13

There's a phobia called triskaidekaphobia, in which people have an irrational fear of this number. People that fear this number don't fear the previous number, or at least, if they do it isn't included on the definition of triskaidekaphobia, so they should be different.

User avatar
SirGabriel
Posts: 42
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:54 pm UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby SirGabriel » Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:34 pm UTC

12
This number can be written in more than one way as a product of two integers > 1. 12=3x4, 12=2x6. The previous number doesn't have this property.

Edit: Vytron ninja'd me, but the description still works for his number too.

User avatar
Vytron
Posts: 429
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:11 am UTC
Location: The Outside. I use She/He/Her/His/Him as gender neutral pronouns :P

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Vytron » Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:45 pm UTC

365

The number of times the Earth turns around its own axis when traveling around the sun, rounded. It doesn't do that the previous number of times, so they must be different.

User avatar
firesoul31
Posts: 93
Joined: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:30 pm UTC

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby firesoul31 » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:48 am UTC

5.555555...

The previous number is not equivalent to 10 if in base 6 (in fact, it cannot exist in base 6). Therefore, they must be different.
Pronouns: she/her/hers or they/them please.

User avatar
Vytron
Posts: 429
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:11 am UTC
Location: The Outside. I use She/He/Her/His/Him as gender neutral pronouns :P

Re: My Number Is Not Your Number!

Postby Vytron » Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:04 am UTC

0.99999...

The previous number minus this number gives 4.555555..., not 0, so they must be different.


Return to “Forum Games”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Exabot [Bot] and 54 guests