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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ergman » Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:50 pm UTC

A ddactyl! and a reply poem! molpish! If jjjdavidson could see us now.

That stream of water bursting through is probably the opposite of burbulent though.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mikrit » Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:24 pm UTC

Burbulent? No, that must be bermulent water. In the black-and-white frame, I mean. The hiddenONG water looks more like ordinary schmurbulence. (Hope you are impressed by my fluid dynamics knowledge.)
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I have a feeling that I'm missing some important reference... :oops: I've no idea what you people keep talking about on the last two newpages.

Can I kindly ask someone to
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Re: WOTTEROTTERMOLPIES RUN WHEN A MOLPISH VITSSÅGEN GOES TO

Postby taixzo » Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:26 pm UTC

NoMouse wrote:I have a feeling that I'm missing some important reference... :oops: I've no idea what you people keep talking about on the last two newpages.

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Do you mean the SMBC Comic?
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Postby mrob27 » Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:39 pm UTC

NoMouse wrote:I have a feeling that I'm missing some important reference… :oops: I've no idea what you people keep talking about on the last two newpages.

You might want to tell us what it is that merits explanation, for example you might want to quote some specific words from a specific post.
  Failing that, I have to guess. When the rope in this image was first seen, @moody7277 suggested that it was "a leak", i.e. there is water coming out of the large flat black thing (thought to be a purpose-built hard wall). @HES, @lmjb1964, @ZoomanSP, @ucim, and @mikrit all jumped on board this idea.
  Simultaneously the images with the altered colour palette, like this image have been interpreted as one kind of fluid pouring down into another. @ucim, OTT:2392:16 has a thorough if speculative description of both fluid interpretations.
  @NoMouse expressed healthy skepticism, leading to the keystone post by @HES, OTT:2392:26, introducing the words turbulent and laminar, and wordplay that inspired @mikrit, thence @DrSamCarter with a classic double-dactyl and more wordplay that pretty much brings us to this moment.
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Re: WOTTEROTTERMOLPIES RUN WHEN A MOLPISH VITSSÅGEN GOES TO

Postby NoMouse » Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:42 pm UTC

taixzo wrote:Do you mean the SMBC Comic?

I'm not sure? I meant the turbulent stuff... At first I thought it was just plain OTTish but Google apparently knows the phrase "turbulence schmurbulence" yet none of the results provides any explanation.

ETA: @mrob27 Oh, sorry for not being clear... I was more or less reacting to the previous post by mikrit that was full of the strange wordplay. The double-dactyl thingy must be it although I'm not sure I understand how that works. Me not being a native English speaker is probably the root cause of this misunderstanding. :oops:
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Postby mrob27 » Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:57 pm UTC

Ahh, that helps. The double-dactyl is a poem of eight lines formed of two stanzas with the stress pattern:

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 / - - / - -
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and with one or two additional characteristics. @jjjdavidson is particularly fond of this form of poetry and told the OTT about it in post OTT:655:0. It is not a particularly serious or formal poetic form. I suppose it is a little less silly than the limerick; ideally suited for the OTT. A lot of OTTers wrote little poems like this, and from time to time someone will write another. Many are collected on the Double-Dactyls OTT Wiki page. It is one of the things that connects us to the beginning of the thread.
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Postby NoMouse » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:03 pm UTC

Ok, I'm starting to ketchup... I still don't know where the "schmurbulence" (or "schmaminar") comes from, though. How is that even pronounced? English-like (s-k-murbulence) or german-like (sh-murbulence)? Is the "schm-" prefix something typical for a double dactyl?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mikrit » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:02 pm UTC

Ah. The construction "<some word> shm-<some word>" is an American idiom, I think, possibly originating in Yiddish. Although HES is British, I believe.

Anyway: when someone claims something, using <some word>, and you disagree, distrust, or think it is irrelevant, you can reply with "<some word> shm-<some word>. I guess it is not so polite, but not directly rude either. (I think, but why should you trust a Swede on this?)

You would usually remove leading consonants of <some word> before adding shm-.

So, for example:
- General Custer, sir, these Indians may be elite warriors.
- Warriors shmarriors!

- To be or not to be, that is the question.
- Question shmestion, just avenge your father already.

So, HES agreed that if water was ejected through a breach in a dam wall, then it ought to appear turbulent rather than laminar. (I kind of assume that laminar flow is the opposite of turbulent). But then, he wrote "laminar, shmaminar", which I interpreted as "we cannot expect to see realistic laminar flow in a black-and-white 2D stickman cartoon". So, I nitpicked on that, reasoning: surely he meant that we cannot expect to see realistic turbulent flow. Hence, he should have written "turbulent, shmurbulent".

My main reason for nitpicking was to get the chance to use the word "shmurbulent". It is funny word in my eyes.

Hm, and then the double dactyl poem gave us the word "burbulent", which is nice because it rhymes. Whether it means something or alludes to something else, I don't know. But I was thinking: this is a berm (unless it is a tower), so the word should be "bermulent". So that was just my lame attempt at making a p*n (so lame that it sneaked under the punsaw radar).

So, "shmurbulent" and "burbulent" and "bermulent" is not old established OTTish, but new OTTish being born, perhaps.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:05 pm UTC

mikrit wrote:Hm, and then the double dactyl poem gave us the word "burbulent", which is nice because it rhymes. Whether it means something or alludes to something else, I don't know. But I was thinking: this is a berm (unless it is a tower), so the word should be "bermulent". So that was just my lame attempt at making a p*n (so lame that it sneaked under the punsaw radar).


"Burbulent" may be a reference to Jabberwocky.
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Postby mrob27 » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:24 pm UTC

@mikrit answered it better than I can. The double-dactyls do something similar, which is to start with a pair of "words" that exploit rhyming, clanging and alliteration, in which both are made up, or maybe the first is real (but never both real), or both are something sensible that is distorted to make it rhyme. Most do not use a 'sch-' anywhere:

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(all taken from the Double-Dactyls OTT Wiki page). As @mikrit said, something is being ridiculed in a friendly, non-threatening way. I don't know what that kind of wordplay is calledD. There is also a lot of usage of suffix -y, which I assume is imitating the diminutive suffix -ey/-ie/-y (daddy, dearie, doggie, Frankie, granny).

DI spent quite a while looking, and learned that Dog Latin is a thing. How did I get so far in life without knowing there is a Dog Latin? :D But we digress…
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Postby NoMouse » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:34 pm UTC

mikrit, mrob27: Thank you very much! Finally this language mystery has been solved for me! Image Now I understand everything. Ok, you can continue in your discussion. Discussion schmiscussion.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mikrit » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:35 pm UTC

Oh, the Jabberwocky was burbling? And burble is a real verb? Ah yes, I just looked it up, and it can mean "to make a sound like water flowing". Then water is burbulent! (As is the Jabberwock. I mean was. RIP.)

And this is ironic: "to burble" can also mean, "to talk fast about something for a long time, especially in a way that annoys people because they cannot understand what you are saying". I am not making this up, it is from the Macmillan dictionary via onelook.com.

So, I have to apologize for being burbulent in the thread. (Hope that phrasing doesn't make things worse...)

By the way, I have seen the shm- spelling as well as schm-, so I have always assumed that it is a soft sh sound, no k. Although I spell English better than I speak it.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby DrSamCarter » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:46 pm UTC

I saw HES's "laminar schmaminar" and then mikrit's "turbulent schmurbulent" (which I spell with an schm- because I assume the Yiddish origin, and somehow associate schm- with that, for no well-founded reason at all), and then it occurred to be that both phrases were double dactyls, and so I wanted to do a double dactyl poem, but I couldn't think of a rhyme for laminar (because it is often the case -- but not an absolute requirement -- that the second line of a double-dactyl poem rhymes with the first) but then I couldn't think of a rhyme for turbulent either, but then the idea of water burbling (sort of bubbling and gurgling as it flows over stuff) gave me the totally made up word "burbulent" (which I think is a perfectly cromulentHoover word, by the way, and although it has no connection to Jabberwocky it is probably in that same spirit), but I do quite like mikrit's suggestion of "bermulent" as an alternative, even though it is more of a half-rhyme.

^^^^ And that kind of stream-of-consciousness is pretty much the underlying explanation for most of the OTT, I suspect

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:50 pm UTC

This is all gold. :)

As a native English speaker, I can confirm that these get pronounced sh-

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mikrit » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:02 pm UTC

Oh, I do like the word "cromulent". I have seen the episode. Miss Krabappel talks about the Springfield motto: "A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man", and remarks: "I hadn't heard the word 'embiggen' before I moved to Springfield". And Miss Hoover replies: "I don't know why; it's a perfectly cromulent word".
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Postby HES » Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:58 pm UTC

ED: No kinda about it! That's an OTTer in disguise!

mikrit wrote:Ah. The construction "<some word> shm-<some word>" is an American idiom, I think, possibly originating in Yiddish. Although HES is British, I believe

Indeed, but most of my television is American.

I guess it is not so polite, but not directly rude either.

It's dismissive, I suppose. But more importantly, fun to say.
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HES wrote:ED: No kinda about it! That's an OTTer in disguise!

mikrit wrote:Ah. The construction "<some word> shm-<some word>" is an American idiom, I think, possibly originating in Yiddish. Although HES is British, I believe

Indeed, but most of my television is American.

I guess it is not so polite, but not directly rude either.

It's dismissive, I suppose. But more importantly, fun to say.


I think it's often a way to say, "You're right, but ..." Or, "I know I'm wrong, but ..." (Which is not exactly the same thing.) Once the Little Wonder has already applied the honey, and begun licking it off, allowing the licking off to proceed may be the cleanest solution. (For some definitions of clean.)

So yes, dismissive, but kind of self-dismissive. And, fun to say.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby lmjb1964 » Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:14 am UTC

Wow, the OTT is just burbling with discussion and general awesomefulness todip! Loved the dobule dactyls, and hi, DrSamCarter!

mikrit wrote:Ah. The construction "<some word> shm-<some word>" is an American idiom, I think, possibly originating in Yiddish. Although HES is British, I believe.

Anyway: when someone claims something, using <some word>, and you disagree, distrust, or think it is irrelevant, you can reply with "<some word> shm-<some word>. I guess it is not so polite, but not directly rude either. (I think, but why should you trust a Swede on this?)

You would usually remove leading consonants of <some word> before adding shm-.

So, for example:
- General Custer, sir, these Indians may be elite warriors.
- Warriors shmarriors!

- To be or not to be, that is the question.
- Question shmestion, just avenge your father already.

So, HES agreed that if water was ejected through a breach in a dam wall, then it ought to appear turbulent rather than laminar. (I kind of assume that laminar flow is the opposite of turbulent). But then, he wrote "laminar, shmaminar", which I interpreted as "we cannot expect to see realistic laminar flow in a black-and-white 2D stickman cartoon". So, I nitpicked on that, reasoning: surely he meant that we cannot expect to see realistic turbulent flow. Hence, he should have written "turbulent, shmurbulent".

My main reason for nitpicking was to get the chance to use the word "shmurbulent". It is funny word in my eyes.

Hm, and then the double dactyl poem gave us the word "burbulent", which is nice because it rhymes. Whether it means something or alludes to something else, I don't know. But I was thinking: this is a berm (unless it is a tower), so the word should be "bermulent". So that was just my lame attempt at making a p*n (so lame that it sneaked under the punsaw radar).

So, "shmurbulent" and "burbulent" and "bermulent" is not old established OTTish, but new OTTish being born, perhaps.

Much :azuling: here. I did appreciate "bermulent" when I saw it. I'm not totally sure that's a pun, but just in case: Image

I'd be curious to know in whose eyes "shmurbulent" is NOT a funny word.

I had not heard of "Cromulent" before. I shall have to start using it.

Also, honey is supposedly a natural antibiotic, so The Little Wonder should be just fine.

I have a rehearsal tonight that involves a rather tricky piece for marimba. I should practice. Practice shmactice.

But really, I have to go and practice.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby lmjb1964 » Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:40 am UTC

Apparently someone dropped a cello in the water in the hiddenONGs.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

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lmjb1964 wrote:Apparently someone dropped a cello in the water in the hiddenONGs.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Fri Oct 23, 2015 4:09 am UTC

New OtherComic.

Also, a new message on the xkcd page:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mikrit » Fri Oct 23, 2015 4:28 am UTC

- I think I recognize those two Stoor-hobbits over there, who have just found a golden ring, but I am not sure if I remember their names. Isn't one of them Deagol?
- Deagol shmeagol!
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Time After Time: t-1_0240

Postby mscha » Fri Oct 23, 2015 4:30 am UTC

UNMONGLES...
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ENHANCE!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby AluisioASG » Fri Oct 23, 2015 4:38 am UTC

ZoomanSP wrote:
GLR wrote:We've almost eradicated polio. For World Polio Day, I drew a comic about the eradication efforts. You can see it on Bill Gates's blog.
Shouldn't there be a needle-pull for it?
Selecting new quote…
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Re: Time After Time: t-1_0240

Postby ZoomanSP » Fri Oct 23, 2015 4:58 am UTC

newpixbot wrote:UNMONGLES...
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WaterSemencoffeecancerbacon-molpy!
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Kieryn wrote:They have a culture involving hat wearing. What kind of a collective would come up with such a thing!?
BlitzGirl wrote:I'll get the razor and finish off Occam while we're at it.
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Re: Time After Time: t-1_0240

Postby ucim » Fri Oct 23, 2015 5:26 am UTC

newpixbot, masquerading as mscha wrote:UNMONGLES...
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Is that a molpy in the thingwearecallingastreamfornow?

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Time After Time: t-1_0241

Postby mscha » Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:30 am UTC

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48th centapost!

Postby Eternal Density » Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:31 am UTC

I'm really enjoying the word discussion that's been ongoing. I'd like to be able to announce some news about my website but all I really have is a TODO list so this will have to suffice:
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Shmenis!

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FTFY

Postby mscha » Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:35 am UTC

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Looks way too static for flowing water, no matter if it is burbulent or schmurbulent. There's some rippling going on but that's it.
The schmolpy seems to have flown off.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:58 am UTC

DrSamCarter wrote:Hoover Invented in an episode of the Simpsonsdisclaimer, where it was used by Miss Hoover, a teacher. .

I always thought it was in the Blackadder episode where Blackadder is making up realistic sounding words to mess with the guy who wrote the first English dictionary. I just checked a couple of transcripts and it turns out that it wasn't Blackadder.

Still an awesomefull scene though.

lmjb1964 wrote:I had not heard of "Cromulent" before.

Why, it's a perfect cromulent word!
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he/him/his

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:42 am UTC

lmjb1964 wrote:Apparently someone dropped a cello in the water in the hiddenONGs.

Not an upright bass?
astrotter wrote:It is not particularly clear to me at this time that we are not overanalyzing this...

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:44 am UTC

Mikeski wrote:A "What If" update is never late. Nor is it early. It is posted precisely when it should be.

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flicky1991 wrote:I'm being quoted too much!

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Re: FTFY

Postby DrSamCarter » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:55 am UTC

mscha wrote:Image


Snortle*

I wondered why it took so long for this kind of manip to happen, but then I realised the boy had to come all the way from the USA and not the Netherlands like I expected (I learned something new today about the origins of the story: the little Dutch boy is fictional (and is not even Hans Brinker)).

By the way, those of you who recall GLR's password comic http://xkcd.com/936/may be interested in this article http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/researchers-discover-the-perfect-password-thats-also-easy-to-remember-20151023-gkgxh1.html

* Snortle is a snickering chortle that involves a loud nasal intake of breath that can be embarrassing when delivered in public. It's another cromulent word.


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