1190: "Time"

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Re: I FIND YOUR LACK OF TURTLEMOLPIES DISTURBING

Postby Eternal Density » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:44 am UTC

mrob27 wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:The next main feature I need to develop is to allow readers to assign some kind of rating to completed chapters. […]

That's a good reason for having a servers. It's going to be tough to meet all those goals. Even if c**kies were guaranteed to stick around, or with some other thing that is known to stick around, what would prevent me using all my old devices to vote multiple times? I could even borrow a friend's mobile or ask them to vote for me.
  Of course, you could do what the government does and ask for lots of personal information which is then securely verified (how?). That seems like too much work.
  How about just asking us to PM you, and then you could count the votes manually?
This is a system I hope to use for real works of fiction written by myself, with an audience far wider than the OTT. The voting is a way of gauging how much interest people have, and what their response is to individual chapters. I want it to be as quick and simple to use (click a button) because a barrier to entry reduces response. On one hand I'm not too concerned about people finding ways to vote multiple times by using multiple devices: if they like it that much, they're welcome to it. But I would like to prevent people from botting the votes. This is because votes will count towards the update speed. (Or more correctly, the size of updates.) Mind you, the logarithmic nature of the update size means they'd need a ridiculous amount of botting to make the chapter go faster than I could write. But it kinda ruin the point of what I'm trying to do, by swamping the real human activity with fake bot activity. (Maybe we just need someone to throw bicycles at the robots.)

mrob27 wrote:s (I was beginning to wonder: Why not just change an HTML file every now and then? We don't need JavaScript communicating with a server just for a text file that updates every 15 minutes! But then I saw the main page where it says "It goes faster the more people are waiting for it," and saw your comments about voting.)

That's not all. The story can have formatting (though there isn't any in the neural network output. That's something I haven't taught it yet.) because it uses a html file. So not only am I increasing the length of a html file every 15 minutes, but I have to increase the length of the visible text of the html file. So it has to account for the formatting tags. It can't just chop of the first n characters. I had to invent an algorithm to find the first n visible characters of any html structure. It works pretty well! :D

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StoryAdvancer decree: help advance the 'story'!
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Time Randomly Revisited - np2801

Postby mscha » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:00 am UTC

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[Computery Stuff]

Postby HES » Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:02 pm UTC

I have no idea what this thread is doing.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:00 pm UTC

Sure is lovely to see the botmarine receding like that. :)


I'm afraid I don't have any ideas for this decree. Can I still follow the last one? I'm too slow. This 2835 was meant to be for randompixbot and Zooman:
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In old news, back on NP2404, mscha made a puzzle of an old OTColoured I had done. (Btw, thank you, mscha, for puzzles!) Sometimes I do these imagining that familiarity with the source material will be an advantage, and I'll get a good time. I never do. This one took me 62:57. I think that's better than usual - I think I usually take an mscha and a half.


Anyone happen to know what it means when the last-visited field in someone's profile is just "-"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby slinches » Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:04 pm UTC

[Meanwhile, in the mystery-ongs ...]
The squiggles got big!

And the hidden ENHANCED story has submersible aqua-botics.


ETA: semi-ninja'd by ggh with a neat OTTerKelpification.

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Time After Time: t-1_0502

Postby mscha » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:30 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby balthasar_s » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:09 pm UTC

ggh wrote:Anyone happen to know what it means when the last-visited field in someone's profile is just "-"

Who is it? A new or old profile?

Some theories:
The last-visited information is missing.
Maybe the person never logged in to the fora, only created the profile.
Maybe there was server mustard last time the person logged in.
Maybe the person visited the fora last time a long time ago, before the forum software was updated. In old threads you will notice that posts don't have titles. It changed somewhen.
Also in 2013 (if I remember correctly) there was a small change of how the forum software interprets avatar URLs. It can be that the previous version of the forum software didn't have the last-visited information. And after the change the person never logged in so the info is still missing.
But I don;t really know.

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HERETICAL YIPS ARE _SUPERIOR_

Postby mrob27 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:25 pm UTC

Eternal Density wrote:[…] maybe 12.5 MB of posts is enough. Not that it matters. I can't get char-rnn to train at all. https://github.com/karpathy/char-rnn/issues/139 Epsilon!

That's steambottlish. I'm running the 100-line gist (with quite a few enhancements) which is single-threaded, and I have three copies running each with its own source text:
  • Shapespeare's comedies: 2MB, hidden_size=200
  • Harry Potter: 6.3MB, hidden_size=300
  • The OTT in RHTF: 83MB, hidden_size=400
all with a seq_length=100, to see how well each model evolves. Right now I'm getting it to save its data to a file for reloading so I can continue training after a reboot. After a while I hope to convert it to use a 2-layer RNN (as given, the gist uses only one hidden RNN layer). Maybe it'll be useful eventually for OTTification purposes. It's slow, though, so a healthy dose of the First Commandment is in order.

This is a system I hope to use for real works of fiction written by myself, with an audience far wider than the OTT. The voting is a way of gauging how much interest people have, and what their response is to individual chapters. […] I had to invent an algorithm to find the first n visible characters of any html structure. It works pretty well! :D

StoryAdvancer decree: help advance the 'story'!

This is all really treeish! It's perfect for us too, since slowly-revealed stories are kind of what Time was about.

ggh wrote:I'm afraid I don't have any ideas for this decree.

All that is being suggested is to open a browser onto timelessriver.net/stories/1/0/ and leave it open for a while. The battery-life issue I mentioned yesterdip is not happening anymore, so it's fine to have it open all the time. The more people do that, the more characters get added to the story during each interval.
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Re: Sustainabilizer's Trebuchet
Well, my response to the trebuchet from Sustainabilizer that we do not have saying, but the longer artifacts in the story was all might be able to process the way.

This is a bit more similar tones and limited things, but we can't get an archive first person with longer than the sea for a misage. Flutterbeeway, and looks like that a fairly that much more slower, for me.

If you discuss the past on the rest in the bag in the diverse.

Hamply click to the OTT in the present predicted.

The Baint did well show some records and stop and stay out of this this site welcomes to arm and was plann


That's a real nice fire-ant-raft!

slinches wrote:[Meanwhile, in the mystery-ongs …]
The squiggles got big!

Yes, and the latest tremor seems to have thrown TallBean off balance (frames 501,502) while he was partly kneeled down to get the minithwapstick from his partner34.

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I've changed my mind: Now I think the minithwapsticks are something being attached to the stairs, and the tremor didn't make them stumble. But feel free to rule-34 it anyway.

On the xkcdsw thread, @chridd recently OTTified xkcd 1037 Umwelt:

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because their senses pick up on different things,
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live in very different worlds. Everything about you
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and where you live to what time period you were born into.

The image URL is chridd.nfshost.com/xkcdsw/one-time, and it will show you a different Time frame depending on your browser, and other things. (I got frame m0357 (hash 8c2c62dc515a4feaaaaea1e726ba169144ef890d0c740ac753e9e8e235a1961d) in Chrome and frame m1995 (hash 24bdb2c53ab0a1fae4cfdb409bfd52cebc34874320aadf60ee9ded3d37475636) in Opera). Molpish!

xe also OTTified Time and #xkcd 1264 "Slideshow"

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The image URL is chridd.nfshost.com/xkcdsw/slideshow-time, and frames (so far) are here: 1, 2, and 3. This one seems to be done ONGing, as it is now looping :shock:.

(ETA: The Time-Umwelt one is very Timely. I'm now seeing a different frame in Chrome on another computer, but I still see m0357 on this computer.)
(Edit 2: Fix the links (as @taixzo noticed))
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Re: HERETICAL YIPS ARE _SUPERIOR_

Postby taixzo » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:13 pm UTC

mrob27 wrote:The image URL is chridd.nfshost.com/xkcdsw/slideshow-time, and frames (so far) are here: 1, 2, and 3. This one seems to be done ONGing, as it is now looping :shock:.


...You linked the same image 3 times?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:33 pm UTC

Timeless River Stories wrote:Hamply click to the OTT in the present predicted.

HES wrote:I have no idea what this thread is doing.

Business as usual, then...

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Postby mrob27 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:38 pm UTC

taixzo wrote:…You linked the same image 3 times?

Yes, I did, thanks for noticing. It should have been: 1, 2, and 3.
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Re: [Computery Stuff]

Postby lmjb1964 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:16 am UTC

HES wrote:I have no idea what this thread is doing.

Business as usual, then...

Oh, you know, Waiting for It and whatnot...

mscha wrote:
Timeless River Stories wrote:Hamply click to the OTT in the present predicted.

HES wrote:I have no idea what this thread is doing.

Business as usual, then...

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I noticed that as well. Timeless River is becoming prescient.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby AluisioASG » Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:20 am UTC

Does anyone want to join the River? It's just one more hit in the next 10 minutes for an extra character!
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MEGAN USED EMERGENCY SHIPCASTLE! IT'S A SUPER SHIPCASTLE!

Postby mrob27 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:22 am UTC

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Maybe they're going to fold up the stairway like the ramp on a flying saucer, and the whole platform will fly away.
(Or maybe it's a raft. But flying saucer is more absurdly sensational, therefore more OTTish…)

ETA: @AASG, I think I got it up to the next character, but I had to use my mobile phone over cellular data with its WiFi turned off. (It's getting harder to drive up the hit count with REDUNDANT browsers :P )
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby OP Tipping » Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:58 am UTC

The comment at 638 about rain on sea being a waste reminded me of a similar comment by Asimov. During his time in the Navy he saw rain falling on the ocean for the first time and laughed hysterically.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:19 am UTC

OP Tipping wrote:The comment at 638 about rain on sea being a waste reminded me of a similar comment by Asimov. During his time in the Navy he saw rain falling on the ocean for the first time and laughed hysterically.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:05 am UTC

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OP Tipping wrote:The comment at 638 about rain on sea being a waste reminded me of a similar comment by Asimov. During his time in the Navy he saw rain falling on the ocean for the first time and laughed hysterically.

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I think it's frame 638, not page 638.
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Re: HERETICAL YIPS ARE _SUPERIOR_

Postby Eternal Density » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:11 am UTC

mrob27 wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:[…] maybe 12.5 MB of posts is enough. Not that it matters. I can't get char-rnn to train at all. https://github.com/karpathy/char-rnn/issues/139 Epsilon!

That's steambottlish. I'm running the 100-line gist (with quite a few enhancements) which is single-threaded, and I have three copies running each with its own source text:
  • Shapespeare's comedies: 2MB, hidden_size=200
  • Harry Potter: 6.3MB, hidden_size=300
  • The OTT in RHTF: 83MB, hidden_size=400
all with a seq_length=100, to see how well each model evolves. Right now I'm getting it to save its data to a file for reloading so I can continue training after a reboot. After a while I hope to convert it to use a 2-layer RNN (as given, the gist uses only one hidden RNN layer). Maybe it'll be useful eventually for OTTification purposes. It's slow, though, so a healthy dose of the First Commandment is in order.

Oh, it's python! I can work with that... thanks :D

Also, has anyone in the OTT every made much out of the number 101043?
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THERE IS A BICYCLE IN MY CHIRPY, YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID

Postby mrob27 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:20 am UTC

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Hmmm… TallBean put his minithwapstick on the stair riser, but is now picking it up. It it a measuring stick?

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Eternal Density wrote:Oh, it's python! I can work with that… thanks :D

You might find it a bit unsatisfying. So far I've identified four things I'd need to do before it's even close to what you used last summer:
 * Save checkpoints (write all model data to a file) and reload at startup
     (✔ done)
 * Decay the learning rate after a suitable period (e.g. by 0.97 per epoch after 10 epochs)
     (✔ done, then disabled but easy to re-enable)
 * Detect imminent overfitting and stop training
 * Implement dropout to mitigate overfitting
 * Use 2 or 3 hidden RNN layers
Okay, five things… but four that remain. Oh, and model vaidation… that's six things… And it's pretty slow, too, but we're all good at Waiting, right?
  Anyway, I'll start mirroring my version of the Python RNN model to my website. I'll add some headers with instructions (setting up a virtualenv, etc.). I have "#!./bin/python" at the top of the script because on my system it must be run within a virtualenv. Unfortunately, that means other people also need to do something (even if it's just making a "./bin/python" that symlinks to the real one) to use it.

Also, has anyone in the OTT every made much out of the number 101043?

Yes, yes, and yes. :twisted:
  It's a sequential thread number. This thread was created right after thread 101042 and shortly before 101047 (which is private) and 101052. (The numbers I skipped might be deleted threads, or threads that were never created because the initial post wasn't submitted or didn't pass moderation, or some other reason… I'm not sure.)
  It's kind of a special number to me. During childhood I had four favourite numbers: 3, 7, 27 and 143. About 15 years ago I decided to make a program that finds the next number in a sequence… any sequence. You give it some numbers, and it finds the simplest formula that fits those numbers, then uses the formula to extrapolate to give earlier and/or later numbers in the sequence. It works pretty well! :D
  I found out that my "next favourite numbers" would be 1011, 9111, 100235, 1303071, 19546083, 332283431, … OTTers may have noticed that I use these numbers here and there when I need a number.
  Anyway, 101043 looks like my "143" and also has hints of 1011, 100235, and 1303071. I have a way of noticing things like that.
  For example, when I read your github issue, github.com/karpathy/char-rnn/issues/139 I saw the number "3632827" and immediately thought of 3263827. (Okay, I guess that's not too unusual.) Only one digit has moved, but the factorisation is totally different. (Also not unusual… but unusual that I thought to check.)
  Also, the forum number (the "f=" number in the URL) for the Individual Comics threads is 7, and for a really long time that was the only forum I was ever participating in.

Oh, and @ED, I made a comment on that github issue, which probably isn't too helpful but might tell the clnn folks where to look…

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Too much to easily quote

Postby Eternal Density » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:53 am UTC

mrob27:
Yep I quickly noticed the missing features in the python code, but it still fun to play around with. I've got it running and have increased the size since the training loss bottomed out at about 40. At that point it was sometimes producing coherent words, with a lot of nonsense. So it had definitely learned a bit.

Thanks for sharing your numbers :D
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Re: HERETICAL YIPS ARE _SUPERIOR_

Postby DrSamCarter » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:13 am UTC

Eternal Density wrote:Also, has anyone in the OTT ever made much out of the number 101043?


Its prime factorization is 32×103×109, and, unlike a large number of six-digit strings, it is NOT found in the first 1254543 digits of pi (see http://www.facade.com/legacy/amiinpi/). It doesn't seem to have been a particularly notable date.

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BOTMARINE CONTAINED COMA. WOULD MOLPY UP AGAIN.

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The two botmarines are trying to assemble a credenza from IKEA, but they'll find two screws are missing, one part doesn't quite fit right, and there's an extra bit left over. In frustration they'll try to use the extra bit where the missing screws would go, and it turns out to be antimatter. Thus begins the bermocalypse.

Eternal Density wrote:Yep I quickly noticed the missing features in the python code, but it still fun to play around with. I've got it running and have increased the size since the training loss bottomed out at about 40. At that point it was sometimes producing coherent words, with a lot of nonsense. So it had definitely learned a bit.

That's molpish. I've been adding features, you can now specify the input filename, hidden_size, and seq_length. It also dumps a 4K sample to another output file, and periodically saves all its data, which will automatically reload when you restart it. It creates files whose names are derived from the input name. You can get mine from mrob.com/pub/comp/min-char-rnn.py.txt and it has complete setup/usage instructions.

My numbers are very special and I don't share them with just anyone :o They satisfy the recurrence A0 = -1; AK+1 = 2 K AK - AK + 2 K + 2 = (2K-1)(AK+1) + 3, they're all odd and about 2/3 of them are divisible by 3. Take good care of my numbers.

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Re: BOTMARINE CONTAINED COMA. WOULD MOLPY UP AGAIN.

Postby Eternal Density » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:11 am UTC

mrob27 wrote:The two botmarines are trying to assemble a credenza from IKEA, but they'll find two screws are missing, one part doesn't quite fit right, and there's an extra bit left over. In frustration they'll try to use the extra bit where the missing screws would go, and it turns out to be antimatter. Thus begins the bermocalypse.
Steakish!

mrob27 wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:Yep I quickly noticed the missing features in the python code, but it still fun to play around with. I've got it running and have increased the size since the training loss bottomed out at about 40. At that point it was sometimes producing coherent words, with a lot of nonsense. So it had definitely learned a bit.

That's molpish. I've been adding features, you can now specify the input filename, hidden_size, and seq_length. It also dumps a 4K sample to another output file, and periodically saves all its data, which will automatically reload when you restart it. It creates files whose names are derived from the input name. You can get mine from mrob.com/pub/comp/min-char-rnn.py.txt and it has complete setup/usage instructions.

My numbers are very special and I don't share them with just anyone :o They satisfy the recurrence A0 = -1; AK+1 = 2 K AK - AK + 2 K + 2 = (2K-1)(AK+1) + 3, they're all odd and about 2/3 of them are divisible by 3. Take good care of my numbers.
Nifty, that will be very useful.
In my own playing around I added a thing to strip out non-latin characters. Japanese unicode characters were present in my sample and they were causing great confusion. It somehow converged on just printing out a capital accented i, with a loss of NaN :P

Speaking of numbers, you're only 26 from a nice round one.
BTW your url is malformed. It looks right but the actual link is missing the http://.

[edit] I've got it running now, having successfully converted it to Python 3, among other little changes.
Its first words were:
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Postby mrob27 » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:21 am UTC

Yes I had to eliminate UTF-8 when preparing my input data. I just "treat everything as ASCII": read one byte at a time, and ruthlessly turn anything that is outside the range [ -~] into blank spaces. I get lots of long blank areas, so then I take the extra spaces out. (I don't know where you might have gotten all those Japanese unicode characters, but I bet Morobu had something to do with it…)

Dropout looks pretty easy so I'm going to try to do that next. It should really help with the overfitting I'm getting on small models, and I need to run lots of small models to get a handle on estimating suitable model sizes for medium-sized models. I already know the linear algebra but I have to learn how to do everything in NumPy. (Why is matrix multiply called "dot"? Don't ask :roll: There's also elementwise multiplication (Hadamard product) which apparently is just "*", the normal multiply symbol. Oh well, at least transpose is .T)

That URL should have been "mrob.com/pub/comp/min-char-rnn.py.txt". That link works, I just tested it in preview.

Oh dear, I don't have any Python 3.x yet, but I can install a 3.1 or 3.2 and recreate the virtualenv. My package manager doesn't offer anything newer, but I guess it would be good for me to switch over to 3.something so we can share this code.

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Postby Eternal Density » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:41 am UTC

mrob27 wrote:Yes I had to eliminate UTF-8 when preparing my input data. I just "treat everything as ASCII": read one byte at a time, and ruthlessly turn anything that is outside the range [ -~] into blank spaces. I get lots of long blank areas, so then I take the extra spaces out. (I don't know where you might have gotten all those Japanese unicode characters, but I bet Morobu had something to do with it…)

Dropout looks pretty easy so I'm going to try to do that next. It should really help with the overfitting I'm getting on small models, and I need to run lots of small models to get a handle on estimating suitable model sizes for medium-sized models. I already know the linear algebra but I have to learn how to do everything in NumPy. (Why is matrix multiply called "dot"? Don't ask :roll: There's also elementwise multiplication (Hadamard product) which apparently is just "*", the normal multiply symbol. Oh well, at least transpose is .T)

That URL should have been "mrob.com/pub/comp/min-char-rnn.py.txt". That link works, I just tested it in preview.

Oh dear, I don't have any Python 3.x yet, but I can install a 3.1 or 3.2 and recreate the virtualenv. My package manager doesn't offer anything newer, but I guess it would be good for me to switch over to 3.something so we can share this code.

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To fix up the original version, I added a regular expression to replace out of range characters with nothing, and that did the trick. The Japanese characters were from some thread in which people were discussing Japanese. I don't know why, I didn't read all that closely. I think my sample contains the text of about 100 threads (but only the first 40 pages IIRC). It's not in the final format I want to use - I need to roll my own HTML to BBCode converter, which will be fun :D - but it's good enough for a test of the rnn.

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It made that just seconds ago, having hit the second 4096 milestone.

I haven't really done anything interesting to the code beyond updating the print statements and string formatting, and changing xrange to range (because range is the new xrange). Oh and I changed to 4-space tabs cos that's what I'm using elsewhere.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby OP Tipping » Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:05 am UTC

SBN wrote:
OP Tipping wrote:The comment at 638 about rain on sea being a waste reminded me of a similar comment by Asimov. During his time in the Navy he saw rain falling on the ocean for the first time and laughed hysterically.

Welcome, OP Tipping, Revealer the Recent!


Hi.

SBN wrote: Are you blitzing?


I don't know what that means. I've only just gone through the Time comic from start to finish.
a) Please explain the specific MEDICAL reason for ordering this MEDICATION !
b) Please state the nature of your ailment or injury.
c) One a scale of one to ten, how would you rate your pain?
d) Please state the nature of the medical emergency.

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Postby Eternal Density » Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:22 am UTC

You can call that blitzin
g xkcd, OP Tipping. The big challenge is blitzing this entire thread. (or needle-pulled-thing, in madness-induced parlance.)

mrob, My network has learned a little more:
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I'll leave it overnight and see what eventuates. But my wifi will be off so it shouldn't be able to take over the world while I sleep.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby OP Tipping » Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:43 am UTC

I don't believe I have the fortitude to go through this whole thread. It appears there are some good posts but there are like 20000 posts.
a) Please explain the specific MEDICAL reason for ordering this MEDICATION !
b) Please state the nature of your ailment or injury.
c) One a scale of one to ten, how would you rate your pain?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby karhell » Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:52 am UTC

OP Tipping wrote:I don't believe I have the fortitude to go through this whole thread. It appears there are some good posts but there are like 20000 posts.

96710, as of now, if I'm not mistaken (or ninja'd)
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Time After Time: t-1_0507

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So it seems these are really submarinebots. Why haven't we thought of that before? (Or have we?) It seems so obvious now - a bot is slowly dropping some pieces of tech into the sea - what other than submarines should it be? :roll: :D
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Re: 1190: "Time"

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Submarines powered by printer ink.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:52 pm UTC

Or antimatter.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby karhell » Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:10 pm UTC

Antimatter printer ink.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:25 pm UTC

Antimustard.
List¹ of all Frames of Time and after Time.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:46 pm UTC

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I liked your photos!
I was looking at the profile of our fox. Epsilon, eh?

Glad you liked the pics - it was such a happy surprise to see you there!


mrob27 wrote:
ggh wrote:I'm afraid I don't have any ideas for this decree.

All that is being suggested is to open a browser onto timelessriver.net/stories/1/0/ and leave it open for a while. The battery-life issue I mentioned yesterdip is not happening anymore, so it's fine to have it open all the time. The more people do that, the more characters get added to the story during each interval.
Ah, okay. I can do that!
Every once in a while it makes an error message popup, but I forgot to screengrab it...


OP Tipping wrote:I don't believe I have the fortitude to go through this whole thread. It appears there are some good posts but there are like 20000 posts.
Hi! I'm with you. I barely have the strength to keep up with the recent posts sometimes. Visiting the present from time to time is where it's at (she said redundantly).


Speaking of barely having the strength, ED and mrob, I must confess that I may not be absorbing all that you write fully. I'm appreciating the gist of it....


mscha wrote:Antimustard.
Antimustard in my printing cartridge would be a Very Good Thing.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:08 pm UTC

ggh wrote:
mscha wrote:Antimustard.
Antimustard in my printing cartridge would be a Very Good Thing.

Open a cardridge (preferably an empty one), pour in this
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Antimustard
and seal the cardridge back up again (note: I cannot be held liable for damage to your printer, the tipp-ex, your face, your mental state, the earth, the universe and/or the multiverse resulting from following these instructions)
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he/him/his

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Time After Time: t-1_0508

Postby mscha » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:30 pm UTC

NOTHONGS...
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ENHANCE!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby slinches » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:14 pm UTC

What could that rectangular thing possibly be?

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