bessie wrote:Sabrar could have a “good” ter’angreal or he could have lied about having one or about his results.
I'm curious, what is your train of thought here? Because my result was accurate, meaning either I did Cop Madge or I was in the same faction as her, didn't need Cop, so if I'm lying about the result and not about having the ability then it means I Copped someone else and but didn't reveal it, using the opportunity to cover my defense. Is that what you think might have happened or do you have another explanation for your comment there?
bessie’s ter’angreal theory, previously posted here
, is that the ter'angreal are under the control of the Black Ajah.
Mod flavor, may support theory:
The ter’angreal were stolen by the Sisters that fled the tower.
Jude’s power came from his use of a ter’angreal.
1. Madge claims she was given the Ebony Dagger N2.
2. bessie is skeptical and makes a smart-ass reply.
3. Sabrar claims he received the Quartz Diviner N1, he copped Madge N2, and the result is that she belongs to Siuan Sanche’s faction (which we now know to be correct). As part of his claim post, he also gives three reasons not to trust his result (possible false inventor giving out rigged inventions, Madge is Godfather, Madge is a false inventor who gave him a naïve/insane cop).
4. Madge claims to be on Team Siuan.
1. Sabrar was given a good ter’angreal and reported his results truthfully. possible
2. Sabrar was given a false ter’angreal and reported his results truthfully. disproved
3. Sabrar was given a good/false ter’angreal, and decided to lie about his results. Why?
Scum!Sabrar was redirected, got a result on a Black Ajah teammate, and needed to create a false result. Why?
Because the person that gave him the ter’angreal would expect him to use it, so he needed to create a result. possible
4. Sabrar did not have a ter’angreal, and decided to lie about having/using one. Why?
Scum!Sabrar is Black Ajah and is giving out false ter’angreal, and gave a false dagger to Madge. He wants Madge to use it, so he pretends that he too has a good ter’angreal, and gives a result that will convince Madge that it is safe to use the dagger. possible
Note: For #3 or #4 to work, Scum!Sabrar would need to guess Madge’s faction, and risk being wrong. But I don’t think that it is too much of a risk, because in the same post he gave his result he also conveniently presents three reasons not to trust that result.
Gopher of Pern wrote:bessie provides good points, but if SirGabriel is telling the truth, that makes her a very high chance of being scum.
And how do SirGabriel’s results indicate I have a higher chance of being scum than you?
bessie wrote:Black: Jude, Black TBD, Black TBD
Suian: Suian TBD, Madge, N1 recruit TBD, N2 recruit TBD
Elaida: SirGabriel, ahippo, N1 Recruit TBD, N3 recruit TBD
TBD: bessie, Carlington, dimochka, Gopher of Pern, matt96, mpolo, Sabrar
If we remove the “confirmed” town and the two lynch candidates, we have one scum in [bessie, Carlington, Gopher of Pern].
Also… wait, what? I’m the one that gave SirGabriel the question. I think scum could have come up with a more ineffectual question. Or ignored the request entirely.
dimochka wrote:That eliminates #1, so Sabrar is very likely either in Siuan or scum.
dimochka, I also agree Sabrar is on Team Siuan or Black Ajah, but for a different reason that I have already noted. [pre-post edit: I see you covered this in your next post]
This makes me believe on D2 Sabrar was a member of a non-Elaida faction. Could be Suian’s faction or the Black Ajah faction.
Sabrar wrote:At this point I think ahippo's flip would give us the most information, plus he told us that he was an Elaida supporter so fmpov he can no longer be Town in any scenario.
SirGabriel, I’m not sure if copping one player at a time is the best use of your question. There’s a possibility we will run out of days. But I don’t have a better idea and will need to think about it.
Carlington wrote:EBWOP: We can even get multiple cop results, given my ability. I am willing to let the rest of you choose my target tonight.
So why mpolo?
Gopher of Pern wrote:So I have this theory, but to confirm it, I'd have to know everyone's colour of their Ajah.
I would rather not claim my color, but I’ll claim if everyone else does. OK, while I’ve been screwing around with this post for the past couple hours Sabrar and Carlington both claimed. I’m yellow. mpolo, your turn. Gopher of Pern, let’s have your theory while we still have time to discuss it. Reminder to everyone that deadline is on Monday this time.