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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby Magnanimous » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:07 am UTC

Koa wrote:Torment Tides of Numenera quietly released.
I backed the Kickstarter, and I'll be playing it once I get some free time.

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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby poxic » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:09 am UTC

I just went to check it out on Steam, then remembered that I've barely touched Witcher 3 because committing to an hour or more of playing at a time is haaaaard.
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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby rmsgrey » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:52 am UTC

Magnanimous wrote:
Koa wrote:Torment Tides of Numenera quietly released.
I backed the Kickstarter, and I'll be playing it once I get some free time.


Similar position here - launching around the same time as Breath of the Wild is not a good way to get lots of play-time...

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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby Zohar » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:00 pm UTC

Felstaff wrote:Completed Assassin's Creed Brotherhood.

Hah! I just finished it on Sunday! I got about halfway through ACII and then magically lost my save, so I decided to just skip to the next volume. I've already played the games before so it wasn't a big deal. I have about 87% completion I think, and I really don't care to get 100%.

Agreed with you on the tonal shift at the end. I suppose it's important for the overarching story.
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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

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Magnanimous wrote:
Koa wrote:Torment Tides of Numenera quietly released.
I backed the Kickstarter, and I'll be playing it once I get some free time.
Kickstarted as well. I've put about 10 hours or so into it so far. I'm really enjoying it. The characters and world-building are all fantastic. The mechanics aren't anything to write home about, but I pretty much expected that since it's based on the Numenera tabletop rpg. I felt pretty much the same way about that: the setting is neat the mechanics are 'meh'.
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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby Koa » Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:43 pm UTC

I just finished it. There are several encounters in the second half that have turn based talking, and each one has a unique approach. There's something of a small turn based heist for example, incorporating the turn based talking to distract someone. It's neat but it doesn't save the combat system as a whole. I also read some complaints about the proposed cypher system before release but it seemed fine to me.

The main problem is that all combat decisions are obvious and details irrelevant. It doesn't matter what the enemy does, it doesn't change your plans because you have no plans because you need no plans. Yet it's turn based and therefore you have to wait and watch their actions. I had to wait as long as a full minute once to get through a single turn of all the enemies I was facing before I could do anything. A minute can be a long time for someone to consider all the better things one can be doing with one's time. It might be a little fun to pair abilities with artifacts and cyphers for ridiculous damage output however it's very fleeting in the face of that sort of tedium.


If a mod wants to split off a new thread... I would have to begin with but I didn't think the game would be as remarkable as it is. I had randomly stumbled upon someone streaming a much earlier build, and it was the maw fight. "So much for my hopes for Torment." The maw fight was the worst time I had in the game, but the rest had me intrigued the whole time. Highly recommend. The whole of The Bloom is fantastic, and Sundermun was something else.

Replayability was my other curiosity. Answer: not much. Maybe one extra playthrough. There's not much difference between the skill checks and tides don't mean as much as you might think. PsT has more replayability as I remember.

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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby no-genius » Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:57 pm UTC

I'm about (just under) halfway through my second playthrough of Nier Automata. I love it.
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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby Zohar » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:05 pm UTC

no-genius wrote:I'm about (just under) halfway through my second playthrough of Nier Automata. I love it.

It's on my wait list for when it gets cheaper! Looks pretty good. Is it difficult?
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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby New User » Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:13 am UTC

I bought and completed Antichamber in the past few days. I hadn't watched any videos, because I heard that it was a challenging puzzle game and didn't want to have any puzzles spoiled. And it was challenging, although not quite what I expected from what little I had seen about it. Mainly, I thought it was going to be all about navigation and attention to details, and less about item progression. Still, it was fun. I don't think I found every room, though. At least, I think I still haven't found all of those message placards which collect in the antechamber. Also, I don't know what the purple cube in the walls is all about. There are some parts I found in that game where I wasn't sure if it was a bug or a feature.

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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby Magnanimous » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:36 pm UTC

That sounds like my experience with Antichamber. Enjoyable, but it felt a little vague at times.

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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby Xenomortis » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:24 pm UTC

Largest I have (I think), from the Steam store:
Wolfenstein: The New Order - 50 GB
Doom (4) - 56 GB
Grand Theft Auto 5 - 72 GB
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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby HES » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:45 pm UTC

Fallout 4 35GB
Arkham Knight 39GB
Bioshock Infinite 42GB
Mankind Divided 59GB
Just Cause 3 62GB

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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby Felstaff » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:40 am UTC

My first gaming PC's hard drive was 60gb. This was 2003. I could fit my entire games library (about 70 CD-ROMS) on it, and still have room for an MP3 library of about 6,000, the entire series of Samurai Jack and The Tick, plus a whole bunch o' films. My largest game was Return to Castle Wolfenstein, clocking in at a memorable 666 Mb. Then Call of Duty came along and was the first to hit a whole gigabubble. In the death throes of that PC (around 2007), I started working for a data company, and they had a whole bunch of 'broken' hard drives in the basement. I took a bunch of 'em home, reformatted 'em, and suddenly I had 5x40gb working drives, three of which could fit to the ageing brute. 2008-2011 were the wilderness years for me, PC-gaming-wise, as I bought a terrible machine that I've complained about on here a number of times, and basically gave up PC gaming for a while. So when I got this monster in 2011, 2 terabytes felt like more than enough space. The games I initially bought (Steam sales, so games released between 2010-2012) were all around the 2-5 gig range, so I don't know whether I blinked-or-missed-it, or just started not caring about disk space, but I missed the point where games jumped from ~5gb to ~50gb. It sure didn't feel like a gradual rise to me.

Anyway, all my space-eating games are MMOs: Elder Scrolls Online, FFXIV, LotRO, WoW - all between 25 and 45 gigs. I only still play one of those, and I only have 25 gigabubbles left on this drive. I won't remove 'em as it's unlikely I'll buy any new games 'til I get a better machine, with bigger space and a GeForce 1080 Ti, now it's out. But I just can't part company with that much money right now.

I'm annoyed because my PlayStation 4 Pro only has 1Tb space, and I've already used up 600 gb of that, meaning that pretty soon I'll have to stop downloading games, and only buy physical media again (who does that?), although I only seem to use my PS4 to play World of Tanks anyway.
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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby Xenomortis » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:47 am UTC

Felstaff wrote:The games I initially bought (Steam sales, so games released between 2010-2012) were all around the 2-5 gig range, so I don't know whether I blinked-or-missed-it, or just started not caring about disk space, but I missed the point where games jumped from ~5gb to ~50gb. It sure didn't feel like a gradual rise to me.

I remember seeing 10-20 quite a bit a few years ago (I guess 5?).
For me, it was Wolfenstein: TNO that was when I noticed the big jump toward 50 GB.

I remember the big shock I had when I saw the size of Doom 3 (~2 GB?).
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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby Felstaff » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:41 pm UTC

Xenomortis wrote:
I remember the big shock I had when I saw the size of Doom 3 (~2 GB?).

Yeah, Doom 3 and Max Payne 2 ate large chunks of my drive. They're one of the few games I've bought on the day of release. Queued up outside the store and everything!

Doom 3's DRM was a nightmare. I remember it refused to install until I'd deleted CloneCD off my hard drive. I should've said "fuck you" and searched for ways around it, but I ended up just removing the software entirely, just so's I could play the game.

I think the next biggest shock was Far Cry, which definitely hit around the 5gb mark (after all the patching). Though nothing seemed to come close in terms of size until Crysis or Fallout 3.

I'm justing checking through my 2008-2011 games, and damn if they're all not in the 10-15gb range. Bioshock, Assassin's Creed, Left 4 Dead 2. Perhaps the shift in diskspace was not as cliffy as I first thought; I just started taking hard drives for granted.

Conversely, the smallest Windows-based graphical games I own (non-emulated, non-Flash, non-DOS, non-board/card) are Tomb Raider IV and Virtual Springfield at 1mb, but I don't think those count, as both games run entirely off the CD-ROMs. So I guess Eversion--my smallest Steam game--wins, at a paltry 13 mb. I literally can't remember playing that game, but according to Steam, I've unlocked all 14 achievements for it.
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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby rmsgrey » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:58 pm UTC

I still remember when my PC-owning friend upgraded and put his old hard drive into his older machine and could fit every game he owned that the machine could run on it at once - an entire shoebox of floppies all installed onto one 400MB drive...

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Postby no-genius » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:11 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:
no-genius wrote:I'm about (just under) halfway through my second playthrough of Nier Automata. I love it.

It's on my wait list for when it gets cheaper! Looks pretty good. Is it difficult?

I've been playing on Normal, and in about 46 hours (I'm on route C now), I've only died around 20 times. Honestly most of those were probably in the first ten hours. There's auto chips on easy mode, but I've never had to use them. I'm usually bad at these games, so I don't think it's difficult. (I'm really bad at the hacking minigames, but most of the important ones give you infinite lives).

Edit: I didn't finish the demo the first time I tried it, and again on the same section of the full game. :D
It gives you a chip that uses healing items when your health gets too low, so I just ran out of health items.
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Cool, thanks! Looking forward to it.
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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby Felstaff » Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:00 pm UTC

I'm just starting out Thimbleweed Park. I felt I owed it to Ron Gilbert to pay full price for one of his games. Even if I bought the Mega Monkey Windows '95 Monkey Island megapack (Secret, LeChuck's Revenge + Curse all in one giant box). And the Special Edition of the first two Monkey Islands on Steam. And again on iPhone. And DeathSpank. In fact, I've given Ron Gilbert a lot of money over the years, even if I can't account for every iteration of his games I've owned/played. (I have had, at one point, a pirated Amiga copy of Secret, but only three of the four disks worked, so I could never get to the final chapter on Amiga).

Initial thoughts are that it's engaging, and intriguing, and there's more menace and shady noire than the more playful LucasArts/SCUMM games of the late '80s/early 90s. It's also far too self-referential for its own good. Within five minutes of starting the game, one of the main characters spews a polemic about how Sierra Online's tactic of making death far too easy in adventure games was no fun, and that LucasArts games (referred to as MMucasFlem) increased player enjoyment through their games' mechanics of exploration superseding character death. You have to be at least over 30, or a staunch retrogamer, to appreciate that joke. It's also astoundingly geeky. See this screenshot:

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Which is like honey-glazed mana to gaming/programming geeks. I count myself as peripheral to that demographic, but even I thought this was delving too deep into technological esoterica. I'm not sure if this game will appeal to anyone who wouldn't wear a black t-shirt saying "no, I will not fix your computer".
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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby New User » Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:48 pm UTC

Been playing Risk of Rain today. I find it quite difficult. I think at last I am improving. Unlocked two characters, bringing my total to four. I haven't looked up any guides to find any of the secrets, but maybe I should do that. I did find one hidden character, Acrid.

EDIT: I've been playing Risk of Rain a lot in the past couple of weeks, and enjoying it very much. Unlocked all characters except Mercenary. Finished the game with Acrid, Huntress, and Enforcer, each on rainstorm difficulty with no artifacts.

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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby ameretrifle » Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:04 am UTC

I've been playing Radiant Historia, and enjoying it quite a bit. The battles include a bit of puzzling (enemies are on a grid, if you knock them into each other you can hit more than one at once, basically) which is making it more engaging for me. I ground about 10 levels on a guy who was like 20 behind and it was pretty fun. It's also not crazy difficult-- got a couple game overs, but that's it. The plot is engaging, includes a bunch of time bullshit, and the characters are all reasonably intelligent. Am tempted to post an abridged version for no particular reason.

The plot does involve evil/corrupt/incompetent leaders fucking over the world, which is hitting a bit close to home at the moment. And the global warming desertification plot. Not exactly unusual plot threads in a JRPG, but...

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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby Felstaff » Mon May 15, 2017 4:02 pm UTC

So there's been a flurry of Steam traders adding me and then asking to trade games. All generally Czech/Bosnia & Herzegovinan/Russian, each with a large list of comments on their pages, the English ones saying things "+rep good trade" "+rep thx 4 trustworthy trade m8" etc.

Anyone know what that's all about? I've never cared for the trading of cards or gems or whatever--the gamification of Steam as a platform is cute but not something I particularly care about--but I didn't know you could trade actual games. Is this a scam of some sort?
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Postby Zohar » Mon May 15, 2017 4:12 pm UTC

I don't know. At some point I was selling all the bullshit "cards" you get for like 11 cents each or something, but it was such a hassle to technically set it up and the reward for half an hour of work is like three dollars or something, it wasn't worth it.
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Postby Thesh » Mon May 15, 2017 4:33 pm UTC

Apparently the cards can allow you to unlock features in steam which I assume gives you status in the steam community (edit: apparently includes coupons, so potentially has actual value).
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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

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At one point you had to approve and authenticate each and every transaction, which for £0.05 per card literally wasn't worth your time.

You can trade gift copies of games, but I'm not sure why you would. (You can't sell them, for obvious reasons)
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Postby Zohar » Mon May 15, 2017 5:12 pm UTC

Maybe there's a way for someone to get free copies of a game and trade that for a cheaper game? So:
1. I get Amazing Aardvark 4 for free, usually costs $15 (a puzzle game where you try to dig for ants).
2. You buy Prancing Perfection Prince for $10 (a DDR knockoff,naturally).
3. You and I trade games, you get to play Amazing Awesomeness 4 only having paid $10 for it.
4. I do... something? with Prancing Perfection Prince, which I got for free.
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Postby Weeks » Mon May 15, 2017 6:50 pm UTC

I would trade Prancing Perfection Prince for Sauron's Salacious Samba (17+)
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HES wrote:At one point you had to approve and authenticate each and every transaction, which for £0.05 per card literally wasn't worth your time.

You can trade gift copies of games, but I'm not sure why you would. (You can't sell them, for obvious reasons)


I just checked and you're still required to approve and authenticate every item you put on the steam market. Very annoying as I have approximately several grillions of TF2 crates that are worth between 1 and 2 cents a piece. In the past I could basically pay for all of my steam-sale purchases by selling crates and uncommon TF2 items, but now it's a pain.
I think there are still trade-bots you can do higher-volume transactions with to try and consolidate cards, crates and other low-value items into higher-value items that are easier to trade/sell.

Also, very recently they made it so that newly purchased games could no longer be traded/stored with the Steam Inventory system. You can purchase games for yourself, or gift them *at time of purchase* to another user, but you can no longer stock up on cheap games from sales/humble bundles to trade later. (games that are already in users inventories are grandfathered and can still be stored/traded though)

Thesh wrote:Apparently the cards can allow you to unlock features in steam which I assume gives you status in the steam community (edit: apparently includes coupons, so potentially has actual value).


Not sure if this is still the case, but at one point the number of friends you could have on steam was capped by your 'Steam level' which you can increase by (among other things) crafting trading card sets into badges. I remember several streamers/youtube personalities trying to get as many cards as they could to boost their level and get more friend slots. (I believe the base level cap was something pretty high, like 99 friends, so this pretty much only affected popular personalities and high-volume traders.)
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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby Koa » Tue May 16, 2017 2:54 am UTC

Felstaff wrote:Anyone know what that's all about?

It's a briefly groomed account with fake +rep comments to appear trustworthy. They have a game that is worth more money than what they're asking. There might even be a game on the list that they'll trade for that is on sale. The point is for you to buy the cheaper game that they want and then immediately trade it to them for a better expensive game. They say they'll give you the cdkey after you trade them the game, and that you can trust them and you should hurry because someone else is ready to trade for it. You give them the game and they disappear. If their account gets banned then they move to another. A group of them get together with lists of usernames and hit them up rapid fire. They quickly sell the games to distributors like G2A or their competitors, who then sell it to people who don't understand anything about the details of their business. The original person scammed might chargeback the purchase, and the G2A customer then gets their game disabled by steam because the payment process didn't complete. G2A doesn't care unless you bought their racket insurance.

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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby Felstaff » Tue May 16, 2017 8:34 am UTC

Each one I've told "I'll trade Bad Rats with you!" instantly appears offline, and I never hear from them again.

All this talk of technical whoozits and gifting thingumies with cards and automatrons has just made me realise: I'm now the parent being explained how to work the VCR.
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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby New User » Wed May 24, 2017 12:34 pm UTC

A few pages ago we mentioned The Swapper. I bought it a few months ago, but I eventually got stuck. Either I missed out on learning some technique, or that game is really hard. I thought I was okay at puzzle games, since I completed Antichamber and The Talos Principle without any guides (although I never found everything in The Talos Principle, I did find and complete a lot). But The Swapper stumped me at what seems to be only 2/3 or so into the game. It's a real blow to my self-esteem. Well, not really, but it's certainly a great challenge for me.

On another note, I recently started Planetside 2 after it had been on my "to play" list for about a year. It's pretty good so far, not sure how long I'll stick with it though. It's encouraging to see so many active users for such an old game. I mean, I have seen the servers so full that there is a queue to join some continents, and this is in a game that's at least four or five years old. That seems impressive these days, since I've heard of many multiplayer games that start out with a decent player base, only to eventually go extinct when the players move on to newer games, forcing the game company to close the servers.

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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby DaBigCheez » Wed May 24, 2017 11:28 pm UTC

I still miss Planetside 1. :(
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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby Xanthir » Wed May 24, 2017 11:40 pm UTC

The Swapper does indeed have some really fucking hard puzzles in it, so don't feel bad. About halfway thru I just pulled out a walkthru and had fun with it.
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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby Magnanimous » Mon May 29, 2017 4:10 am UTC

New User wrote:On another note, I recently started Planetside 2 after it had been on my "to play" list for about a year. It's pretty good so far, not sure how long I'll stick with it though. It's encouraging to see so many active users for such an old game. I mean, I have seen the servers so full that there is a queue to join some continents, and this is in a game that's at least four or five years old. That seems impressive these days, since I've heard of many multiplayer games that start out with a decent player base, only to eventually go extinct when the players move on to newer games, forcing the game company to close the servers.

Then again, there aren't really any equivalent games that fill the MMOFPS niche. There have been good attempts (RIP Dust 514), but open-world shooters are expensive to develop and difficult to design well. Planetside 2 certainly has some flaws, but I wouldn't be surprised to see another four years of active servers.

(Also there's currently double experience for all players until June 2nd, so now is a good time to check it out.)

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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby Zohar » Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:53 pm UTC

Just finished playing RiME, which apparently was long-awaited for. It was decent! The world and the music are beautiful. The puzzles are fairly simple (except for a rare few that require a bit more thought). The story is pretty much non-existent. The ending tries to give a sort of twist emotional revelation that falls flat. It's no Journey, but if you enjoyed Journey, you'll probably like this to some extent at least. I completed it in 7 hours and missed a lot of collectibles (i.e. could have explored more).
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Re: Gaming fleeting thoughts

Postby Magnanimous » Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:31 am UTC

I played Firewatch because it was on sale, and it was... alright. I agree with Zohar et al. about the plot - if you're going to be dramatic then you should follow through with it. I was hoping for more of a big reveal and it ended up being a disappointment. In retrospect maybe I shouldn't've played it right after SOMA.

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The protagonist's reaction in the last scene seemed a little bizarre to me. The game made a point of setting up the whole Star Trek teleportation philosophy problem thing with the first consciousness transfer, but then it was ignored until the very end even though joining the Ark would clearly have the same problem. I guess the protagonist was under a lot of stress so they could understandably forget about it... but I didn't forget, so there was a weird disconnect.

When I found my friend Catherine's body I expected the protagonist to start thinking about what will happen to his own (current) body, and then make some kind of plan to kill the version that gets left behind on Earth. Apparently not.

There's some nice Fridge Horror though, because eventually the protagonist in the Ark will realize what he did to himself.


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