Zohar wrote:I'm talking about rich people. There are rich and uneducated people. The main way people become rich is by being born to other rich people.
So... are you claiming there's no correlation between education and wealth?
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Zohar wrote:I'm talking about rich people. There are rich and uneducated people. The main way people become rich is by being born to other rich people.
Chen wrote:KrytenKoro wrote:Overall unfair privilege and other assorted dysfunctions are very much zero-sum, and getting them to zero (i.e., removing all the inequalities in the system) is very much the goal.
In a lot of cases they aren't really zero sum. Take police brutality. Right now white people have significant privilege with regards to say getting stopped and/or killed by police. But there's no reason their situation needs to change if police stop brutalizing black people. It's not like there's some fixed level of police brutality that has to go on and thus as black people become less brutalized white people will somehow become more brutalized.
Trump has remained firm on his positions on civil rights and immigration policy. Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly in particular are aggressively implementing many of Trump’s proposals from 2015 and 2016, angering black, Latino and Muslim activists in particular. The administration is not proposing less intervention from the federal government, which is the typical Republican approach, but rather it is seeking to wield federal power, just as Obama did. But whereas Obama’s policies focused on protecting African-Americans, Latinos, Muslims, people who are gay or transgender, and other groups that most Americans view as marginalized, Trump and his team are focusing on defending different groups: Christians, police officers, victims of crimes by undocumented immigrants, and people who fear Latino immigrants are taking their jobs or redefining U.S. culture, among others.
This approach is akin to civil rights for the Trump coalition, a shift in focus away from groups that Democrats (and the data) view as facing more discrimination and toward groups Republicans believe are more often marginalized. And Thursday could bring the latest example: Trump is expected to sign an executive order on “religious freedom” that will reportedly include provisions that make it easier for churches and other religious organizations to participate in politics while remaining exempt from federal taxes.
MartianInvader wrote:Zohar wrote:I'm talking about rich people. There are rich and uneducated people. The main way people become rich is by being born to other rich people.
So... are you claiming there's no correlation between education and wealth?
Zohar wrote:MartianInvader wrote:Zohar wrote:I'm talking about rich people. There are rich and uneducated people. The main way people become rich is by being born to other rich people.
So... are you claiming there's no correlation between education and wealth?
Of course there is, but that doesn't imply causation. Sure, lots of rich people might be educated, but that's often because their rich parents can throw money at their education.
There's a certain amount of freedom involved in cycling: you're self-propelled and decide exactly where to go. If you see something that catches your eye to the left, you can veer off there, which isn't so easy in a car, and you can't cover as much ground walking.
Liri wrote:I think the breakdown happened somewhere around what different people consider "rich" to mean. If it's just top 1%, then yeah, education alone is unlikely to get anyone there.
What's this, it doesn't actually help anyone save rich corporations? I would say you got fucked over by Trump but this is more of a generic Republican fuck you and we're preaching to the choir here.Less Accountability for Loan Companies
Harder to Apply to Programs
Income-based repayment plans allow borrowers to pay what they can afford by setting their payments as a percentage of their income. Expanding access to these plans, which are intended to reduce borrower distress and default, was a priority of the Obama administration.
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Access to income-based repayment programs is more important than ever because of a separate Trump administration rollback of protections for borrowers. Now, those who fall behind on their payments are subject to much larger penalties.
Zohar wrote:Um, when did I ever say people don't benefit from college? The only thing I said was the biggest indicator of being rich is is having rich parents - that's true, and doesn't change that fact.
MartianInvader wrote:Going back to your first reply to my post, you seem to consider it important that the causation runs more strongly the other way, and that there are non-educated rich people, but I don't see how those points apply to what I said about the non-educated, poor, white demographic.
Zohar wrote:Who was asking them to give up their wealth?
Belial wrote:I am not even in the same country code as "the mood for this shit."
freezeblade wrote:Sounds legit.
Dauric wrote:freezeblade wrote:Sounds legit.
No, no, It sounds Tremendous. a really really great firing, there's been no better firings in all of American history, really this was a marvellous firing...(ad nauseum)
There's a certain amount of freedom involved in cycling: you're self-propelled and decide exactly where to go. If you see something that catches your eye to the left, you can veer off there, which isn't so easy in a car, and you can't cover as much ground walking.
Putting to one side the much more serious issue of collaboration with Russia to manipulate the election, and the allegations of an extensive effort to cover up that collaboration, it seems pretty clear what happened. President-elect Trump instructed General Flynn to tell Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak not to be too upset about President Obama’s new sanctions against Russia because he—Trump—planned to reverse them. It is inconceivable that Flynn did this on his own. The reason he denied having this discussion with the Russian ambassador is because the president-elect instructed him to do so. It was only when the Washington Post article appeared exposing this deception that Trump was forced to act. He didn’t see any problem with undermining Obama’s policy—after all Trump would be president in a few weeks. (Who knows whether he also told Flynn to mislead the vice-president elect so that Pence could credibly—and deniably—mislead the press and the public?)
Of course Trump wasn’t moved by Yates’s warning; he knew Flynn couldn’t be blackmailed with the threat to disclose his actions to his boss because there was nothing to expose. What Trump was worried about was exposure of his own role; and that’s why he fired Flynn with fulsome praise and the relatively-honest observation that had he known of Flynn’s contacts he would have authorized his actions.
There's a certain amount of freedom involved in cycling: you're self-propelled and decide exactly where to go. If you see something that catches your eye to the left, you can veer off there, which isn't so easy in a car, and you can't cover as much ground walking.
If this is the case, it's probably why Flynn asked for immunity, first -- and what he was referring to when he said he had a story to tell.Chen wrote:You'd think there'd be a high likelihood of Flynn coming out and saying this then, no?
The Great Hippo wrote:If this is the case, it's probably why Flynn asked for immunity, first -- and what he was referring to when he said he had a story to tell.
I might be wrong, but I seem to remember that the request for immunity was in response to a senate inquiry regarding his discussions with the Russian ambassador -- not in response to inquiries regarding money he took from foreign governments. And if that's the case, a lot of this would suddenly make much more sense -- particularly Trump's bizarre decision to keep Flynn on up until it became a PR problem.Chen wrote:I had thought the immunity request was because of the money he took from foreign governments without disclosing it properly. I suppose that might have come out too though had he testified at all. And I guess if it was president-elect Trump (since he wasn't yet President) who asked him to talk to the Russian ambassador it was also technically illegal.
I am genuinely amazed at the way people are bending over backwards to defend this decision. Like, okay, yes, it is possible -- really, really unlikely, but possible -- that this is totally legit; Trump fired Comey only because of Rosenstein's report; the timing is just an unfortunate coincidence.Zohar wrote:In other news, Trump fired FBI director James Comey. Supposedly of the way the FBI handled the Clinton e-mails investigation, though that investigation was over before the election even, and Trump has been in office for five months already. The obvious question is why now. It's pretty scary. Some republicans seem upset about this. I just can't help thinking they need to start thinking in the long term, and it seems to me like they aren't.
The Great Hippo wrote:Work to get Trump elected, then work to make Trump appear to be colluding with the Russians. Probably not (it's hard to imagine why you'd want to do that), but it's a funny thought.
But why wouldn't Putin want Trump to win? Trump's clearly the best choice for Putin; he's a weak-minded blow-hard hawk wannabe with financial ties to Russia. I mean, maybe Putin didn't expect Trump to win, but a Trump victory was always clearly the best outcome he could hope for.Soupspoon wrote:Change just one thing: Instead of working to get Trump elected, work to get Trump close enough, electorally, to leave Clinton (the predictable winner) in power but horribly weakened and delegitimised.
freezeblade wrote:So...the President just fired the person who is leading the investigation into the president's team's possible ties and/or collusion with Russia, after recommendation from the Attorney General who claimed he was recusing himself from said investigation. The new person in charge of said investigation will be named by the President.
Sounds legit.
SDK wrote:freezeblade wrote:So...the President just fired the person who is leading the investigation into the president's team's possible ties and/or collusion with Russia, after recommendation from the Attorney General who claimed he was recusing himself from said investigation. The new person in charge of said investigation will be named by the President.
Sounds legit.
Yeah, this coming from Sessions is just awful. It's been talked about a lot, but now for the first time I'm truly afraid that Trump will be America's last president.
The Great Hippo wrote:But why wouldn't Putin want Trump to win? Trump's clearly the best choice for Putin; he's a weak-minded blow-hard hawk wannabe with financial ties to Russia. I mean, maybe Putin didn't expect Trump to win, but a Trump victory was always clearly the best outcome he could hope for.Soupspoon wrote:Change just one thing: Instead of working to get Trump elected, work to get Trump close enough, electorally, to leave Clinton (the predictable winner) in power but horribly weakened and delegitimised.
Or are you saying that a Trump-win was the impossible dream, and Putin wasn't really planning for it -- so when it happened, he had to improvise?
The Great Hippo wrote:But why wouldn't Putin want Trump to win? Trump's clearly the best choice for Putin; he's a weak-minded blow-hard hawk wannabe with financial ties to Russia. I mean, maybe Putin didn't expect Trump to win, but a Trump victory was always clearly the best outcome he could hope for.
SDK wrote:Maybe he doesn't want to end democracy, but Sessions even participating in something so directly related to his investigation shows he doesn't care about the integrity of justice, at least. There's a clear conflict of interest, and even if that had nothing to do with the decision to fire Comey, it should not have come from Sessions. If I did something like that as an engineer, I'd very likely lose my professional designation - what's going to happen to him?
SDK wrote:Maybe he doesn't want to end democracy, but Sessions even participating in something so directly related to his investigation shows he doesn't care about the integrity of justice, at least. There's a clear conflict of interest, and even if that had nothing to do with the decision to fire Comey, it should not have come from Sessions. If I did something like that as an engineer, I'd very likely lose my professional designation - what's going to happen to him?
Trump received letters from Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, and Jeff Sessions, the attorney general, calling for Comey's dismissal, on Tuesday, a spokesman said. The president then decided to fire the FBI director based on the recommendations and moved quickly. The spokesman said Trump did not ask for the letters in advance, and that White House officials had no idea they were coming.
But several other people familiar with the events said Trump had talked about the firing for more than a week, and the letters were written to give him rationale to fire Comey.
There's a certain amount of freedom involved in cycling: you're self-propelled and decide exactly where to go. If you see something that catches your eye to the left, you can veer off there, which isn't so easy in a car, and you can't cover as much ground walking.
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