X-Men Mafia: Resolution

Sabrar · Postby **Sabrar** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:51 pm UTC

BoomFrog wrote:When did you defend LaserGuy?

I don't think I did. Why do you ask?

BoomFrog · Postby **BoomFrog** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:53 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:Nope, LaserGuy and heury (the two players with a vote on them). bessie and somitomi also have heury on their scummy side so it was a possibility.

Could you rephrase this then. I thought you were saying you defended LaserGuy and Heury from being lynched.

Sabrar · Postby **Sabrar** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:00 pm UTC

Okay. LaserGuy and heury had 1-1 vote on them after this. If the scum-team is mpolo and myself then there are 2 possible townie-wagons available. We are in no great rush to join, so us jumping so quickly on LaserGuy does not make sense. Therefore we cannot be scum-mates. Is that more clear?

bessie · Postby **bessie** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:03 pm UTC

BoomFrog wrote:Also, looking at somitomi's and Bessie's wishy washy-ness about LaserGuy I'm feeling better about this decision

Where am I being wishy washy? If we have mafia I think it is LaserGuy. If we have cult I think it is mpolo. If mpolo is cult, I think he is setting me up for a policy lynch tomorrow as the most likely cult recruit because of the remark I quoted earlier. Or maybe he’s pointing out my towniness because he is thinking of recruiting me. So I personally I am more concerned about mpolo being scum.

Mondays are really busy for me and I'm not sure I can be back before deadline.

heuristically_alone · Postby **heuristically_alone** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:04 pm UTC

mpolo wrote:Everybody has a useful power, but mine is probably on the weak side, so if you have to mislynch, better me than someone else.

This too me is just screaming LOOK AT ME I'M SO TOWN

VOTE: MPOLO

Sabrar · Postby **Sabrar** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:10 pm UTC

@heury: you realize of course that you just set up a tie and allowed LaserGuy to lynch mpolo instead of him. Again, why are you defending LaserGuy so much?

bessie · Postby **bessie** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:11 pm UTC

bessie wrote:heuristically_alone, are you going to answer these questions?
Sabrar wrote:@heuristically_alone: why are you against a LaserGuy lynch?

adnapemit wrote:Can you explain a bit more why you don't want to lynch laserguy?

mpolo wrote:I would like to hear from heuristically_alone the reasons for thinking LaserGuy should not be the first lynch (which seemed a little strangely worded)

Sabrar · Postby **Sabrar** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:13 pm UTC

EBWOP
I just realized that there's another 2 hours until deadline. Might not be around but not planning to switch either.

bessie · Postby **bessie** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:21 pm UTC

BoomFrog, are you going to be around at deadline?

Sabrar, are you certain about LaserGuy?

Unvote

To prevent a tie.

bessie · Postby **bessie** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:22 pm UTC

EBWOP: Sabrar, I meant are you certain you won't change your vote?

BoomFrog · Postby **BoomFrog** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:23 pm UTC

bessie wrote:BoomFrog, are you going to be around at deadline?

Sabrar, are you certain about LaserGuy?

Unvote

To prevent a tie.

Yes, I'm checking in still.

I've resigned myself to never understanding Heury's alien logic.

Sabrar · Postby **Sabrar** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:25 pm UTC

bessie wrote:EBWOP: Sabrar, I meant are you certain you won't change your vote?

Yes. Have to sign off now, hope to be around later.

bessie · Postby **bessie** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:27 pm UTC

I really need to leave. I will try to check back in an hour but unlikely.

LaserGuy · Postby **LaserGuy** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:29 pm UTC

Vote mpolo

I'd rather a tie than getting mislynched.

BoomFrog · Postby **BoomFrog** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:30 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:Vote mpolo

I'd rather a tie than getting mislynched.

If you were town you wouldn't. The info from a flip is useful for town. Causing a tie will just make us waste a lynch lynching you again tomorrow.

heuristically_alone · Postby **heuristically_alone** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:31 pm UTC

bessie wrote:heuristically_alone, are you going to answer these questions?
Sabrar wrote:@heuristically_alone: why are you against a LaserGuy lynch?

adnapemit wrote:Can you explain a bit more why you don't want to lynch laserguy?

mpolo wrote:I would like to hear from heuristically_alone the reasons for thinking LaserGuy should not be the first lynch (which seemed a little strangely worded)

I'll be at work at deadline, so my last opportunity to post will be approximately 8 hours from now.

Vote: mpolo

His observation of the conversation between me and sabrar feels fair, because the whole time I was thinking that I would see myself as scummy too, then laserguy called me out on it. It isn't the strongest town read on him, but enough that I don't want to lynch him now.

Boomfrog's thoughtful analysis sounds so towny, and I have a hard time reading him as scum. But because of that, I worry him being an experienced mafia player that he knows that will make people read him as scum.

heuristically_alone · Postby **heuristically_alone** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:33 pm UTC

BoomFrog wrote:
LaserGuy wrote:Vote mpolo

I'd rather a tie than getting mislynched.

If you were town you wouldn't. The info from a flip is useful for town. Causing a tie will just make us waste a lynch lynching you again tomorrow.

I don't know a single person that would rather as town allow themselves to be lynched than lynch the other person. I doubt if laserguy is town he is ever100% certain of mpolo being town as well, so why wouldnt he rather have him lynched?

heuristically_alone · Postby **heuristically_alone** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:34 pm UTC

I know it probably it probably feels ridiculously scummy, but I just feel like due to laserguys's reads he is most likely town.

BoomFrog · Postby **BoomFrog** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:35 pm UTC

bessie wrote:I really need to leave. I will try to check back in an hour but unlikely.

I can't see myself switching at this point. Since the setup is 80% chance to be mafia you should focus on that. If you think LaserGuy is the most likely mafia then you should vote for him. (although I think that would be hammer, this feels like a time when hammer is appropriate to ensure a lynch.)

heuristically_alone · Postby **heuristically_alone** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:39 pm UTC

Would now be a good time for laserguy and mpolo to claim?

BoomFrog · Postby **BoomFrog** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:48 pm UTC

heuristically_alone wrote:
BoomFrog wrote:
LaserGuy wrote:Vote mpolo

I'd rather a tie than getting mislynched.

If you were town you wouldn't. The info from a flip is useful for town. Causing a tie will just make us waste a lynch lynching you again tomorrow.

I don't know a single person that would rather as town allow themselves to be lynched than lynch the other person. I doubt if laserguy is town he is ever100% certain of mpolo being town as well, so why wouldnt he rather have him lynched?

If he could choose between mpolo and himself of course he should choose mpolo. But if he is choosing between himself and no lynch he really should choose himself. Imagine what will happen D2 after a No Lynch. A townie will be dead, and we might get a useful cop result, but probably not. So we'd be back in the same situation as D1 but with one less townie. Getting the flip on the wagon target really tells us a lot about the motivations of the voters and we can't win without it.

BoomFrog · Postby **BoomFrog** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:49 pm UTC

heuristically_alone wrote:Would now be a good time for laserguy and mpolo to claim?

mpolo already claimed and I don't think there is any point to claiming. Any role can be any alignment, so claiming doesn't matter.

heuristically_alone · Postby **heuristically_alone** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:10 pm UTC

I'd rather a mislynch than a no lynch. We gain more information.

BoomFrog · Postby **BoomFrog** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:18 pm UTC

heuristically_alone wrote:I'd rather a mislynch than a no lynch. We gain more information.

See that's a town perspective. So would you prefer a mislynch of yourself over a no lynch? Should LaserGuy prefer a mislynch of himself over a no lynch?

heuristically_alone · Postby **heuristically_alone** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:26 pm UTC

I see what you are saying now. It is hard to lynch yourself as town, but it should definitely be done.

I've been in turmoil trying to decide this, but decided I should. In case I don't get a chance to say it before day end. Laserguy is Jean Grey and in case he isn't lynched at deadline nobody target him tonight him since I think tonight is the optimal time for laserguy!scum to use his ability. I will vote laserguy before deadline though if it is a tie.

dimochka · Postby **dimochka** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:28 pm UTC

Current Votals:
Laserguy - 3 (mpolo, BoomFrog, Sabrar)
mpolo - 3 (somitomi, heuristically_alone, Laserguy)

Deadline in about 30 min.

A replacement for Gopher of Pern will be joining, but looks like it'll be on D2.

BoomFrog · Postby **BoomFrog** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:39 pm UTC

heuristically_alone wrote:I see what you are saying now. It is hard to lynch yourself as town, but it should definitely be done.

I've been in turmoil trying to decide this, but decided I should. In case I don't get a chance to say it before day end. Laserguy is Jean Grey and in case he isn't lynched at deadline nobody target him tonight him since I think tonight is the optimal time for laserguy!scum to use his ability. I will vote laserguy before deadline though if it is a tie.

You need to vote for LaserGuy right now or there will be a tie.

BoomFrog · Postby **BoomFrog** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:45 pm UTC

bessie wrote:I really need to leave. I will try to check back in an hour but unlikely.

There is currently a tie. You should put down a vote one way or the other if you can.

bessie · Postby **bessie** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:49 pm UTC

I thought it would be safer to prevent a tie if I didn't vote because I didn't think I could check back.

Vote: LaserGuy

BoomFrog · Postby **BoomFrog** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:53 pm UTC

bessie wrote:I thought it would be safer to prevent a tie if I didn't vote because I didn't think I could check back.

Vote: LaserGuy

Yeay!

And for future reference, every townie should always have a vote down, in my opinion. Even if you decided randomly, it dilutes the power of scum to control the vote.

dimochka · Postby **dimochka** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:07 pm UTC

Final Votals:
Laserguy - 4 (mpolo, BoomFrog, Sabrar, bessie)
mpolo - 3 (somitomi, heuristically_alone, Laserguy)

LaserGuy has been lynched. It is now night. Day will start in about 1-2 hours, once I process night actions.

dimochka · Postby **dimochka** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:56 pm UTC

There was much deliberation the previous night as to who was planted here by Apocalypse to hinder the X-Men's progress. Finally two candidates emerged - identified by the names LaserGuy and mpolo. The group could not decide for the longest time, but finally chose Laserguy as the traitor. And so they pushed him into Prof. X's Cerebro room, closed the door, and turned off the oxygen intake. Then everyone retired for the night.

...

But sleep was difficult to be had, and less than four hours later people began arriving at Cerebro. Finally when a sizable group was there, the door was opened. The view was horrid. Poor Jean Grey was lying dead, her face a horrid pale blue. Someone from the group threw up. Others had trouble reacting to this. But finally one person stepped up to check her belongings. To no one's surprise, she had two separate talking devices. But along with them, a short note was found with clear intent of how to assassinate each of the X-Men. It seems that the group chose well.

"Maybe we are done," asked one.
"Wait... where is BoomFrog?" Exclaimed another?

And with that the group headed over to BoomFrog's room. The door was open, and the view was not pleasant. BoomFrog, know to many as Jubilee, lay dead from a single bullet wound to the back of the head.

And with that it was clear that this was not quite done.

LaserGuy was lynched. He was Jean Grey, aligned with scum.
BoomFrog was murdered at night. He was Jubilee, aligned with town.

Day will end in 72 hours (1pm PST on Thursday); I will add the timer in a bit.

Effective immediately, moody7277 is replacing Gopher of Pern. Quick note that moody has agreed to sub, but as of now hasn't read his role PM yet.

Sabrar · Postby **Sabrar** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:06 pm UTC

dimochka wrote:LaserGuy was lynched. He was Jean Grey, aligned with scum.

Mafia or cult?

dimochka · Postby **dimochka** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:17 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:
dimochka wrote:LaserGuy was lynched. He was Jean Grey, aligned with scum.

Mafia or cult?

Mafia. Also for the sake of simplicity assume that "disciples" of Apocalypse, as controlled by him, can communicate telepathically among themselves.

Sabrar · Postby **Sabrar** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:25 pm UTC

Nice. Second scum is probably somitomi. Anyone want to claim anything?

heuristically_alone · Postby **heuristically_alone** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:06 pm UTC

Nothing important to claim right now.

bessie · Postby **bessie** » Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:20 am UTC

I have nothing I want to claim right now.

moody, thank you for replacing.

OK, I was wrong about mpolo being cult.

somitomi, the more you lurk the scummier you appear. Reread this post.

Sabrar, why are you so sure heury is town? I hope you have more than a gut feeling.

heuristically_alone, you look pretty scummy to me. You tied the vote, said you would untie the vote, and then didn’t do it. I was at an important meeting, so I’m not very pleased with you right now. I think you should claim your role name.

Sabrar · Postby **Sabrar** » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:01 am UTC

bessie wrote:Sabrar, why are you so sure heury is town? I hope you have more than a gut feeling.

- I don't think it is in heury's repertoire (yet) to open the game the way he did as scum. I think he would be very cautious to post.
- this is reinforced by the flip, I don't think LaserGuy would try to get out of being lynched by bussing his teammate at such an early stage.

Sabrar · Postby **Sabrar** » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:46 am UTC

Quick re-read of LaserGuy shows that he's almost completely ignoring somitomi having only the minimal interaction/read, while somitomi is lurking and flip-flopping about LaserGuy and mpolo before finally voting the latter.

Vote: somitomi

somitomi · Postby **somitomi** » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:55 am UTC

bessie wrote:somitomi, the more you lurk the scummier you appear. Reread this post.

Sorry, the start of D2 was around 11pm for me, so I read the start of the day, contemplated a little and went to sleep.

bessie wrote: I think you should claim your role name.

Genuine noob question: how would that help us determine heury's alignment? Or does it serve a different purpose?

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