Ordered from strongest town to strongest scum.Good Guys:Evil George Washington
EGW is always very easy to read when he's not mafia. I don't think I really need to go into this read.BoomFrog
Ever since entering the game, Boom's thoughts have consistently aligned with my own, many of which I have/had not shared. I'm really surprised that so many players find him scummy or suspicious, because I don't see it.Maven89
I don't think I really need to go into this one much either since it's been stated a number of times in other players' reads list. Maven is solid.plytho
Was in in the following section until his last post about what would happen once SirG reached L-1. I had back up plans (the last resort, hammering him myself), but I was a bit surprised no one else brought this up. This was sort of an epiphany post for me regarding plytho. I think he is really scum hunting as he's been pointing out many things that other have not. Although it could be that scum!plytho brought up the hammer point as a way to get scumBud!Ruy out of that situation. If I recall, plytho has been sort of iffy on his Ruy read. Don't really care to look into it at this point though.Frozenflame
At around his 3rd/4th post, whichever one he made his lynch pile in, I really started to feel like we were on the same wave length. I'm really digging his reads and have liked pretty much every post he's made since then. I think the only read we disagree on is Whale, but that's understandable. He was the first to make points about Jim, which I'm giving many
town points for.Sabrar
Sabrar rang town to me in his first few posts and the fact that he had explanations for the behavior that I found weird at first. I feel like he's mostly been sidelining the game though. I keep thinking he's doing more than he actually is. His play makes sense as mafia if there are indeed two scum teams. I get the suspicion that he's doing all of his scum hunting inside chat. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Mostly just think it's paranoia though based on the way he posts. Kind of just sticking to this read for now, because I don't see him as an early game play regardless. Edit: Also his Boom read doesn't feel genuine. This is probably the most suspicious thing I get from him. His Frozen read seemed pretty fake as well.
-I will have to reevaluate Sabrar and Frozen at some point if the game progesses that far, because I think they are both capable of posting in a way that appeals to people as scum.-
-BoomFrog and Frozen are like psychic. Sometimes I seriously suspect they are mind reading.-Cool With:Peaceful Whale.
Came off town to me pretty quickly after my vote. I really liked how he reached to Sabrar as a life vest here:
"Holy ficken crap... Zen, seriously... oh well. I don't really care. Sabar care to talk him out of it? Does it matter? I don't think it does, if he wants to vote me then let him."
I feel like if he were scum, he would have reacted in chat in a manner like this and made a more composed post out in the open.
Future Note: Sabrar & Whale incompatible as buddies.mpolo
Good reads list.Gamma Emerald
I liked this line: "I would have if he had shown he could do it, but he was not acknowledging the main issue I saw."
I see this as coming from a sort of a cooperative, back-and-forth, figuring things out together type of play style. He's shown this to be a part of his play style a number of times by asking the general crowd about things rather than just looking into them himself.
I think that his role fishing is really just due to the his forum culture. It reminds me of how epic mafia players tend to play on forum mafia. Since they are used to open set-ups and role-based lynching, they tend to be more open about role claims in forum mafia. I myself am also pretty care free when it comes to player's roles, so I just don't see it as malicious.
Gamma Emerald wrote:Zyth's reads are a bit wacky to me. He says Ryu, Spak, and Jim are his bad guys, but wants to lynch DH first?
for attacking the only person that considers him an ally. Lack of survivor attitude.Bessie
I'd like to see where she picks up, especially with regard to jimbob. Also curious to see what she disliked about Boom and plytho calling out Whale's claim. I honestly haven't seen anything from her that has given me a strong town vibe, but I haven't felt like her posts are malicious either. I think how she ends up voting throughout the game is going to give the best indication of her alignment. Ninja Edit #564, pg. 15: Still hasn't explained why she disliked Boom/plytho's call out. Just has an unwarranted "pissed off" reaction. How are they role fishing? Was hoping she'd utilize her time to go more in depth on her "interesting" reads. Negative reaction from this post overall. If any of the people higher up on this list are scum, this is where I would wager. h_a:heuristically_alone
Boom made a good point here:
heuristically_alone - Alien logic is hard to follow. (That's a meta read, h_a has proven his thought patterns simply don't follow the same paths as mine. He jumps to odd conclusions, and reacts in odd ways.)
heuristically_alone wrote:The issue is more of I thought of stating in my initial post to zen that it was kinda scummy, but worried that could make me look scummy, so didn't. And then get told I am scum for assuming he is town. Actually makes me laugh a little.
I actually like this post. I think scum h_a would have not said this out loud because he'd think it would reveal scummy thinking.
I also really liked how quickly he started pointing things out (about me) on the first page. Makes me feel like he wasn't afraid to get his hands dirty or step on anyone's toes. His analysis/defense of PW's play felt natural as well. I don't need to reiterate the suspicious parts of his play.Need More/Lynch Worthy:Dark Horse
Yolo probably hasn't noticed that DH needs replacing.
If he has and is just ignoring us, then I'm down to lynch today. Needs to go. The mod insisted that we lynch lurkers. I don't think it should be ignored. Edit: Sabrar confirmed that marshy is indeed aware. Edit Edit: plytho has confirmed that the lynch lurkers thing is a general OS rule. I guess we just wait on this slot for now. Znirk
Only 3 posts? T_______________________________TMoody7277
¯\_(ツ)_/¯Indy Bad Guys:Madge
Her posts are really loose and feel genuine. For example, her use of the term "half jester" doesn't seem like something self-conscious scum would use. Edit: Originally had Madge in town category. Moved her down here. These two lines raise huge red flags:
1. "I'm not on board with lynching SirG (definitely not with being the hammerer), but that's mostly because Around Here indies tend to be relatively harmless and/or broadly pro-town. Does OS tend to have "dangerous indies" in their games."
This is scummy for four reasons (please reread her post as you go through each of these):i
. The threat of indies in OS games has been made abundatly clear. I reminded players of this on the very page we were discussing the SirG lynch, so I doubt she missed it.ii
. It is illogical, and thus likely convoluted, reasoning. It would be like saying "I'm ok with children playing with guns, but mostly because I play with nerf guns".iii
. This is the first time Madge has shown investment in anything other than her role. This strongly indicates that she has an agenda related to this.iv
. When people use words like "mostly" to explain their reasoning, it often indicates that they are forcing the argument. She understands that her reasoning is false, but is posting it anyway. (Side note: This is why jimbom is such a strong scum read for me as well, as you'll see below. I also think it is why players have a difficulty readying moody, because he naturally uses language like this a lot).
2. "Thanks Plytho for your post about Red Ryu and vote - I agree it's mighty suspicious how I'm being tunnelled on and at least one other person is getting into their head that I might have claimed or in any way implied to be indie."
This is so random and agenda-y. The point of this post was to defend her actions, but she's doing it indirectly and omgus-like. Just feels unnatural how she addresses plytho for this. I think this post brings together why she was invested in promoting the indies-are-good idea in the above post.
BTW I did think it was weird that she left it open as to whether or not she was town in her inital claim post, as if she were waiting on the reactions to her claim to decide whether or not she should go through with her full (indy) claim or claim town.SirGabriel
We'll see how the night goes. @SirG make me double voter and make jim your target Bad Guys:Red Ryu
#HBC | Zyth wrote:Sweet, Ryu is scum.
What's pinging you? The myopic policy lynch advocacy on madge? The light buddying of you me and spak? Fear mongering us Dgamers by trying to suggest we always let indies slide and get bit in the ass later?
Everything this, and more!
#HBC | Red Ryu wrote:I gotta go will read up on Boomfrog when I get back. I don't know how many indies DGames has been boned by before they realize all indie claims should die.
Whale is goofy town.
Feel good about Zen and FF, possibly Spak as well.
I do not at all believe Ruy was able to gain these reads over a 30 minute skim! I don't know for what possible reason he could have had me as town at that point in the game.
@Ruy: What possible reason could you have had me as town at that point in the game?
I also think his Spak read is completely made up. Spak has done zero zip nada nothing! This is such a far fetched and random user to id as town. This comes off to me as one of scum's pick-n-choose type of reads.
Can someone help me on mobile grabbing what Frog did in regards to the Indy claim?
Fake hunting. Town would want to investigate into the context of Boom's posts on his own. Ruy here is just looking for some post to skim and make a conclusion over.
3. Clearly skimmed Madges post, assumed she was indy, and pushed for her lynch without looking into it further. Let's say that Ruy was town!Ruy skimming to try and catch up. I still believe he would actually take more thorough look at those he's pushing to lynch
. This shows to me that Ruy doesn't have a townie's aversion to mislynching.
There's many things I could go into about Ruy's posts, but I think these are sufficient enough to explain the overall nature of his game. I also feel like some of his recent posts are being guided by mates, because they take on a different tone despite the fact that he's still clearly not caught up. Spak
Spak's first and second post pinged me as awkward initially. They seemed like he was just trying to produce content, but not actually trying to figure things out. He was just responding to things. He's shown no scum hunting intent behind his posts.
His third post, the one where he votes BoomFrog, is what really caught my eye though. The myopic nature of his post is out of line with the mindset of a townie. By myopic, I mean that Boom was the only player he brought up in that post. There were so many things going on at that point. This is such a post-heavy game with lots of exciting routes to explore. Spack lacks the inquisitive nature that such an environment should bring about. It is as I said before with Red Ryu's Spak read; Spak's Boom read is pick-n-choosy, not a read that naturally comes about through townie exploration.jimbobmacdoodle
1. "bessie - her one post is pretty standard bessie style. I like what she point out about Zyth (pointing out own townieness, assuming one scum team), and to a lesser extent
about PeacefulWhale (repeatedly emphasising his newbie status, similar to his previous game where he was scum)."
The bolded is such a convoluted thing to say, and I can only see it coming from a scum mindset (town players in tunnel mode also do things like this, but that's not relevant here). What does this even mean? Town do not make statements like this. They can like something, dislike something, and be unsure of something, but there's no value in medium-liking something. Convoluted statements like these indicate that jim is scissor-cutting and piecing together a pseudo-read rather than genuinely feeling out bessie.
2. "In your case, it was a little more subtle, and although it definitely could be coming from a townie, it could also be an attempt to subtly impress on other players the idea that you are definitely town, if they aren't thinking critically enough.
The bolded is an absurd assumption. This is sort of similar to what I pointed out with Madge. jimbob know's that his reasoning falls apart and uses an absurd assumption to justify it. Town has no reason to force an argument like this. I myself have caught myself typing up a point, realizing it doesn't hold, and just deleting it. Scum jim needs to post content though, so he couldn't afford to abandon it.