So I'm even farther behind thanks to a busy evening last night but I'm hoping to finish my review of the moody wagon tonight and truly get my reads up to date
Wanted to address a few things though. First of all, it seems like people are saying I'm a top play contender because of something Zyth said or something related to Zyths defense of himself? I didn't pick up the source of where this hate toward my slot is coming from while I was skimming to try to keep up but this is some seriously gross shit. I'm legitimately shocked that people are seemingly opportunistically pivoting to try to wagon me despite the fact that I never actively opposed the moody wagon. I just thought jimbob would have been better at the time. My read on jimbob was changed for a few reasons but still, if people think I bussed moody or some shit you're out of your mind. People were literally asking me to push jimbob and Gamma as wagons harder to try to get a competitive wagon going to compete with moody and I literally declined. I said that I wasn't going to try to make a push for those wagons if people werent feeling them but I also wasn't going to say I agreed that moody was the better play. Talk about a shitty ass bus. Why even take an anti moody wagon stance and run the risk of being linked back to him because of it if I wasn't even going to try to get people to jump off that wagon? There is nothing to be gained as scum from taking such a poor position. I was legitimately just being honest about the fact that I thought jimbob and Gamma were scummier than moody. I never said moody was a bad play, only that the way the wagon gained a lot of momentum late in the day was suspect.
LaserGuy wrote:Quick thoughts on a few people...
FrozenFlame: Reviewing his content at Zyth's request has really degraded my opinion of the slot. Frozen is very skilled at making giant walls that have little productive content. In terms of actual reads or scum hunting, he is seriously deficient... His push on jimbob was very lazy and he never really comments on the moody wagon at all. Still hasn't posted reads on half of the field and the reads he has are extremely dated. Very active lurky vibes. Happy to park my vote here for now.
I'm really, really surprised that XKCD players, especially people that were in Dark Tower with me, are still saying I'm scummy for having a loquacious posting style. Yes, I dress up a lot of what I have to say with some fluffy flavor and tone. Yes I am verbose. Yes I could be more concise and direct. But I do all this shit naturally, its just my playstyle. I was town in Dark Tower and I got literally this exact same criticism from folks in that game. That should be a clear indicator that my tendency to allegedly "write giant walls with very little productive content" is clearly non-alignment indicative. I disagree with the charge btw, but if that's how people see my content then they, well atleast the XKCDers and SWF people who have played with me before, should know that I have a tendency to use far too many words to say anything. Huge red flag seeing LaserGuy come after me for this, and I'd point a similar FoS toward anyone whos played with me before who is sympathetic to the argument considering I've had this posting style universally and it features just as prominently when I'm town as scum. Especially in the early game when I'm only really responding to what sticks out to me as opposed to every line in this deluge of content.
I also want to clear up the who conflation I made re: mpolo & Laser's night actions. I mistakenly imputed Laser's intent to target Zyth as the judgement target to mpolo wanting to swap Zyth & Amrock/SirG. The argument I put forth remains generally the same, that being, that mpolo I think made a questionable move trying to swap Zyth for SirG with the ostensible goal of redirecting NKs targeting Zyth to SirG. I think that move was questionable because anyone paying attention to the thread late in the day phase would have known that Zyth was an unlikely NK target the slot was getting some heat by the end because of resistance to the moody wagon. So my comment re: mpolo thinking Zyth was town not matching his night actions was a mistake, which became even more clear to me when it was mentioned later that mpolo wasn't even watching the thread during the end of D1 due to being in the hospital, thus he wouldn't have even seen how Zyth was being treated near the end of the day. Hope that clears that mistake of mine up.
Big update on jimbob that I want to lay out briefly: no way scumbob gives me this kind of credit IMO
His early posts seem to mostly be joking and setup speculation and information. The exception is his agreement with Sabrar over PW's reads list (which I've already covered elsewhere). His wall here
includes a lot of noise for not a huge amount of content in the first half. He moves onto explaining his PW read, and attacks me for being cautious (I find that a bit weak, but that's probably because he's attacking me specifically, and I know I'm naturally cautious). In his reads list, I like how he is willing to acknowledge how he might be wrong over plytho, and isn't tunnelling there. On the other hand, most of the rest of his reads strike me as quite weak. His null read on moody
doesn't look too great given the flip. In his first period after the weekend, I'm getting a big vibe of only responding to things and not really putting much effort in himself. He hasn't actually tried to get me or any of his other top scum reads to really produce good content to evaluate. He instead spends a lot of time looking at SirG and how to deal with him. He does make one good point against moody, which I like given the flip, particularly drawing the conclusion of a scum slip.
He also gets a few townie points for joining in the call to vote by plytho. It's around this point that the quality of his posting picks back up more generally, in my opinion. "This moody wagon gives me really bad vibes" - this comment though is not great in hindsight, especially as he didn't explain it later. Come D2, he raises some interesting points re. mpolo's choice of target as Zyth, although I tentatively disagree, and he later backtracks on this acceptably. I would really appreciate some update reads on those he had as lynch candidates at the end of D1, and whether anybody has taken their place.
Specifically the bolded, though I do overall think his assessment here is fair. But the fact that he picked up on that one comment of mine that no one else seems to want to acknowledge and have frankly probably all forgotten about tells me that jimbob is actually paying the fuck attention now. And why stick his neck out for me like that when he could have easily glossed over it and let it stay buried? So yeah, jimbob is off the playlist now as far as I'm concerned, especially when you combine this with his uptick in activity and hardcore defense of himself before deadline when the wagon against him had already collapsed at that point.
Lastly, here's my general feel on the cast atm. Subject to change though once I finish actually analyzing moody and how people interacted with that wagon
Terribad lynch candidates:
Amrock (should be taken care of via judgement tho)
Gamma is gross for his opportunism re: my slot and I generally haven't found any good reason to townread the slot all game
Boomfrog has been pinging me a lot this day phase from what I've been able to skim. I find myself doing a lot of double takes reading his posts and generally feeling very off about his contributions/idea
H_A & Znirk are just liabilities. H_A looks worse honestly for being so active early on and then literally disappearing
Amrock is confirmed anti town