Evil George Washington:
I've not done a comprehensive read of him all game. My only reads have been one very early skim of him (when I disliked a few bits of, and subsequently got flak for), and then my general gut feelings throughout the game, which have labelled him as town for making good points, and generating discussion. Now to do a more detailed read. Hopefully it won't take me as long as my Zyth one
In retrospect, I realised that my very early dislike was just due to a play style difference, and I fully deserved what flak I got for it. His vote (and apparent certainty with it) on Sabrar isn't how I use my votes (and there's no way I'd be that certain within the first 24 hours of a game), but I guess that doesn't make it wrong. Of course, the same can be said about why EGW voted for Sabrar in the first place - half of it at least was because Sabrar called PW scummy, but didn't vote for him, which is just the difference in play style. Since this is an early misunderstanding, I think it should be ignored.
I do like how he asks lots of questions, trying to draw out content from a range of players. Of note however, is that while he calls for reads from some players, aside from his vote, he doesn't actually post many of his own in the early game. One read he does give
(at the request of Zyth), was of moody, long before any real pressure had mounted on moody, but it was relatively neutral. Eventually, his full reads list
turns up, and it is pretty decent (in a smaller game, I might complain about the number of nulls, and the proportionately small number of scum candidates, but not when there are 20 players to keep track of). He's wrong about me, but I accept how my play up to then could look bad (an effect of me being too busy to play properly). He makes an interesting point about moody, labelling him clearly as scum, so definite town points there. The point he makes isn't an obvious one, at least to me, so there was no desperate benefit for a scum-buddy to bring it up, and definitely not enough to make him need to bus moody.
@EGW - I'm not quite sure I follow the purpose of this post
about Gamma flying under the radar. Could you please clarify what your point was with it?
As D1 progressed, his comments with reads become a bit more frequent, which is good. He votes fairly early on moody, and is the one who brings up the bottom four suggestion to try to find a consensus amongst town, both of which bring him solid town points. He gives a reasonable reason for the timing of his switch to Dark Horse, although I don't recall seeing why he wanted to lynch him specifically. However, he switches back to moody still before the moody wagon had really got running fully, so more town points. The final stages of the day are constantly looking for players to join in voting on various other players. This strikes me as serving a positive role, overall (trying to get consensus, whilst simultaneously seeing who is willing to follow through on specific players). Negative point is when he switches to me (since it's a vote on a confirmed townie FMPOV), but switches back with Sabrar shortly afterwards (aside - this is really the start of the breakdown of the wagon on me, not the time when Zyth switched, although that might also have been important in making sure players were on the moody wagon).
Onto D2, and he opens with his BoomFrog case. I'm not sure I necessarily see the case as all that strong, but it's not incredibly weak or anything.
@EGW - what are your thoughts on BoomFrog's reactions to the moody wagon in the latter stages of D1? I see your explanation here,
but he definitely tries to rally town round to lynching moody, in my opinion, plus he tries to stop moody self-lynching before the Madge half-wagon is fully organised, which I don't see a scum-buddy doing. How do you explain that?
It was EGW who pointed out that Zen doesn't like to bus, which was what had me initially doubting my scum lean on Zen. Claims self-protection ability of some kind, which might explain there being only one kill last night. I don't see why scum would have claimed this given the context (scum presumably wouldn't want town to know that they have ways to avoid investigative results for example). Aside from this and his comments on BoomFrog, much of the rest of early D2 feel exactly the same as early D1 - lots of questions, relatively few thoughts on others. His vote switch to Znirk comes a bit out of the blue, without any justification, either before or after from what I saw, so I find this a bit weird. He backs down on Madge after Sabrar's point, so is open to listening to people.
When his reads list
comes around, I'm surprised to see that it has only 4 town-related leans, and a whole load of nulls. However, on request, he posts an ordered list, so he has got some rough idea of who he finds scummier in that pile of nulls. Otherwise, his reads seem solid overall (in that his town and scum reads have good reasoning), and for the most part, match my overall view of things. I like that he clarified
the whole Zyth asking for moody read thing, even though it goes slightly against my case against Zyth.
Conclusion: I'm pretty confident that EGW is Town. He's trying to generate too much content, asking a wide range of people questions and trying to get them to contribute. I like his points on Gamma and Zyth, and most of his reads match up with my own. I don't feel like he's scum playing me at all.
Lunch time. After lunch will come reads of bessie, Red Ryu, Peaceful Whale, and LaserGuy, and an ordered list.