Picking up on page 56.
#HBC | Zyth wrote:Explain why a strong town read on gamma is scummy.
Really? It's not self-evident? Ok, let's break it down.
- Consensus finds Gamma scummy and is right about it.
- Mafia knows that Gamma is not one of them so from their pov he is likely Town.
- Gamma is very likely going to get lynched.
- Therefore Mafia can earn townie-credit by uselessly defending him despite his scummy content and going after the wagon-pushers after Gamma's flip.
The underlined is not necessarily true. Depends on what kind of setup information moody had.
plytho wrote: I’m not claiming setup knowledge. Based on what’s been said about OS powers and the flips we had I have an estimate of what the range of powers is in this game. A one shot communication cop seems too weak. A daily extra lynch with built in protection seems too strong.
I think that you’re making an assumption that is not necessarily true. You are assuming that every player has roughly “equal” powers. I was going to discuss this a little more when I answer Zen’s question to me from this post
, but Sabrar suspiciously never replied to my query here
. plytho, you’ve only played games where every player is guaranteed a power role, and in games where the mod tried to give everyone (town, scum, indie) something interesting and balanced so everyone would have fun. Those were also much smaller games. Anyway, I will note that some players in this game have claimed strong and/or complex powers, but it’s not unrealistic that there may also be players with very weak or almost useless powers.
#HBC | Red Ryu wrote: Bessie, should you be giving a meta town to Madge? How much non helpful posting before we say enough?
I’m not. I’ve been calling her scummy since D1. But I don’t think she’s a serious lynch candidate. This is also something I’ve been saying since D1. Her early claim brought her the protection of Sabrar and BoomFrog.
BoomFrog wrote: Plytho - SoulRead: In fridge he sincerely believed that his interaction with Bessie was what he'd do as town, but he got lynched for it. This game when he clashed with Bessie, if he was scum he would have self censored faster because he didn't want to confirm others claim that his nitpicking was scummy. But since he's town he doubled down on the nitpicking so at the end if the game he can say, "see! I do it as town too!". When it became apparent that his nitpicking was causing Bessie actual distress he tried to back off, first by waiting to ask questions, then putting them in a spoiler, then when Bessie still couldn't restrain herself from spending most of her time Answering him he declared he wouldn't talk to her. He's trying his best to not mess with her. (Bessie: at this point I have to say you are causing your own problem, plytho had not been intentionally antagonizing you).
I think your soulread is flawed. I really can’t understand your reasoning for your town soulread of plytho. He was scum in Fridge mafia, but he sincerely believed he was acting like a townie, so you don’t think he would ever act in the same way again as scum? And since he is acting in the same way he must be purposely doing so because he’s town and trying to make it part of his townie meta? And he only backed off on questioning me because he was hurting my feelings or something? Seriously? Reminder, you’re talking about a relative newbie to the game, and you think he can make a successful conscious decision not to act scummy if he is scum? There are experienced players that can’t do that.
FrozenFlame wrote: I've had a shit past week and a half, pretty sure I'm depressed.
I’m sorry FrozenFlame. I hope things get better for you this week.
Evil George Washington wrote:Bessie had a delay with her 'interesting' points on Sabrar and Zen.
Evil George Washington wrote: What concerns me is that she states she confused Sabrar for Plytho, which I don't believe.
I had a note that I just kept pushing down my word document as something to come back to, and with all my cut and paste it got separated from the name label I probably had on it at one time and my brain attached it to Sabrar and his defense of Madge, which is probably why I never discarded it. Here’s what it looks like in my notes:
"http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=4244487#p4244487Gamma Emerald wrote:
but it still has the issue of me not asking about specific powers.
Why on earth would that make it ok? You're still asking for info on the role, perhaps hoping for more details than you literally asked for.
[note objection to rolefishing Madge, does it apply to other players too?]"
Evil George Washington wrote: She finds Madge suspcious but she doesn't support Madge tree stumping. I find this inconsistent.
. What would be the advantage of tree stumping her instead of lynching her if we think she’s scum? Unless, are you considering the tree stumping like a second lynch? Ok, if so I failed to make this connection somehow.
Evil George Washington wrote: I don't think PW was masoned with her, I think he used his cop on her and assumed she was likely town from it. (Otherwise, he would have copped someone else if he was already masoned with her, copping her while being masoned with her makes no sense) I think her claim and answer to Zen's role related question will help us POE, but I am concerned as to why she would rather keep this to herself. I could be wrong due to a role related reason, but I still think she is suspicious and feel she needs to clarify this so that we move over this.
I didn’t want to claim too early. When I saw Peaceful Whale’s flip and the discussion of his role I realized that scum isn’t sure what kind of cop they killed, and so may be unsure as to whether or not there is another cop power in the game (depends on what setup information they have). But in retrospect that’s a dumb reason and I should have claimed earlier, as I was going to claim before end of day anyway because like Sabrar, I go in to each night with the absolute certainty that I will be night killed. Zen had it right, Peaceful Whale could target a player (one shot), and if they were town they became a mason with him.
Sabrar, you missed one. Do you want me to give it to you or would you rather try to find it yourself?
Evil George Washington wrote: I get the feeling she is putting up the appearance of having n1 pings and 'interesting' things that catch her attention but she doesn't have the motivation to actually pursue any of those avenues.
Substitute motivation with time. The 2-3 hours I’ve been putting into this every night haven’t been enough. I have lots of time on the weekends, not on weekdays, but the weekends have been overlapping the night cycle.
Evil George Washington wrote: Lol what the fuck. I never typed up 'twenty dollars and self respect.' I typed the game.
Congratulations, you found one of the forum’s word filters! They pop up occasionally, but are mostly gone; "lose...the...game" may be one of the few remaining.
Madge wrote:@EGW: I am not sure who the hell is saying I will normally have a vote analysis. I don't habitually do them. So I don't know why one is "expected" of me today.
I think it is a misunderstanding that goes back to this comment
Madge wrote: Plytho - your wagon analysis thread was exactly what I was thinking of writing, thank you for posting it.
Which was later followed by this comment
plytho wrote:Madge: harmless, we can’t get the votes for madge with three inactives. I’d like to see her contribute more though. Madge, if I beat you to the wagon analysis D3 I’ll become suspicious of you.
Save yourself the wait and become suspicious of me now because you probably will beat me to it because I probably won't bother with it until/unless I both have time to devote to it (unlikely in a game this fast) and/or feel like it's the one missing piece that will let everything make sense. If I do a wagon analysis I get the feeling I'll waste like 2 hours of my life and not feel any closer to answers.
[ninja’d by plytho pointing this out too]