What would make things easier for you? I’ve been trying my best to cut down on the walls by using more links and less quotes. Would it help if I broke up my larger posts into multiple smaller posts? It sometimes breaks up my train of thought though.BoomFrog wrote:@Bessie: Your posting format makes it very difficult to coherently reply to you so I'm taking some actually on computer time to reply to things I noted but haven't gotten back to.
I think you’re mistaken. Read just his and my posts to see who is reeling in who. What makes you think he was trying to back off? Because he said this (Sept 22, 10:06 am UTC)?BoomFrog wrote: Yes. Although he backed off because he was upsetting you AND because it was hurting your ability to scum hunt. He tried to back off, you reeled him back into it. He said "I'll wait on my questions" you said, "ask them now". And yes, I think he is self aware about what he was doing. It was the focal point of his game in fridge. In this game, when I challenged him about acting the same as in fridge he replied, "Well after this game it will be my townie meta".
A little more than two hours earlier he said this (Sept 22, 7:42 am UTC):plytho wrote:I made my final point (+why I continued), consider it stopped.#HBC | Zyth wrote: Stop trying to continue the back and forth with bessie when the points have already been summed up. It doesn't look genuine any more.
I pointed this out here. And he still continued with the same questions, see this post. If you care to read through some of our exchanges, you’ll see that I was responding to him, because if I didn’t respond to everything he posted asking me why I was avoiding answering his questions.plytho wrote: I don't want to drop this because I feel very strongly that this is a townie thing to do and I will keep doing it in future games. I want to talk this out so you know where I'm coming from next time I do something like this.
And you’re misrepresenting the “I’ll wait on the questions” event. plytho said he had some responses for me but wanted wait to post them until after I completed my reads here, so as not to distract me. I told him to go ahead and post them here, because I wouldn’t be completing my reads until he was asleep, and if he waited to post his questions I would be asleep and wouldn’t see them in time to respond (Monday morning not good, working all day, home close to deadline Monday night, plytho is in Europe, 9 hours ahead of me). He posted his questions in a spoiler, I finished my reads, then I responded to plytho here, (end of day). You make it sound like I was provoking him with “ask them now”, where this was actually just us working with our time zones to make sure we had time to cover anything. You’re deliberately misrepresenting what happened in this particular instance and painting me as aggressive in a rare situation where I wasn’t.
By the way, you declaring that he backed off to spare my feelings gets it in print for everyone to see, but it doesn’t make it true. And your response makes me more skeptical of your plytho soulread and your motives (see also: Madge).
Zen, thank you for the hydra stuff here. I don’t want to use any of my already too scarce game time replying to it now. I’ll look at it on N3, and if I have a question maybe I’ll put it in the Gojoe thread and we can talk without active lurking (if you don’t mind).
Kind of like you and your soulread on Madge.Sabrar wrote:Getting back to BoomFrog: I'm liking his more recent content but I think he's too confident in soulreading plytho, also he seems to find excuses for his case on LaserGuy. However both could be simply due to his ego. Slight Town.
plytho wrote:I'm definitely stubborn. I you haven't convinced me that my assumption is wrong. This is what you said:To my understanding, this crossover game would be exactly what you're describing here. That's the basis of my assumption and this is supported by the opening post/signup (There are NO Vanilla Roles!), FrozenFlame's opening post and Maven calling this a crazy power role game.bessie wrote:plytho, you’ve only played games where every player is guaranteed a power role, and in games where the mod tried to give everyone (town, scum, indie) something interesting and balanced so everyone would have fun.
Can you explain why it's wrong to base my assumption on those posts?
Btw, I don't think every role is pretty much equally strong, of course there's variation. I just think there's an upper and a lower bound to the possible strength of the roles.
plytho wrote: I’m not claiming setup knowledge. Based on what’s been said about OS powers and the flips we had I have an estimate of what the range of powers is in this game. A one shot communication cop seems too weak. A daily extra lynch with built in protection seems too strong.
bessie wrote: I think that you’re making an assumption that is not necessarily true. You are assuming that every player has roughly “equal” powers. I was going to discuss this a little more when I answer Zen’s question to me from this post, but Sabrar suspiciously never replied to my query here. plytho, you’ve only played games where every player is guaranteed a power role, and in games where the mod tried to give everyone (town, scum, indie) something interesting and balanced so everyone would have fun. Those were also much smaller games. Anyway, I will note that some players in this game have claimed strong and/or complex powers, but it’s not unrealistic that there may also be players with very weak or almost useless powers.
plytho wrote: I agree that I'm making an assumption. That's what you're quoting. (estimate=assumption) The results of my assumptions have turned out correct: PW isn't a one-shot communication cop and LaserGuy's power isn't a daily power.
bessie wrote: And this sort of proves my point that your analysis and reads are based on assumptions that are wrong. In that quote I’ve pretty much told you that in this case your assumption is wrong, and you’ve told me that you’re going to be using your wrong assumption as a basis for your analysis anyway. So you’re possibly a stubborn misguided townie. Or you are filtering out my content and/or ignoring something I'm pointing out for some odd undetermined reason, which would be odd because you claim to have a town lean on me. Or you’re scum trying to force through analysis based on misinformation.
I didn’t say there are any vanilla roles. I’m saying that your assumptions are wrong. Let’s consider the following role groupings:
A) Oh boy I’m a Super-Powered-Townie! Wow, everything they said about Overswarm’s games is true! A can’t believe I got such great powers, and the mechanics are so complex and interesting! I can almost win this by myself. Ooohhh this is going to be so much fun I can’t wait oh I just hate this N0 phase.
B) Well all right, nice! I like it, this should be a good game, and if my role is any indication, well balanced and fun, but challenging. I’ve got something good if I use it wisely, but will also need to use my deductive skills if we’re going to win this.
C) WTF? Are you kidding me? What good is that going to be, if I even decide to use it? I can’t imagine that this is in any way whatsoever useful. Oh well, effectively vanilla town I guess. Good thing my deductive powers are totally awesome. Maybe Overswarm is overrated.
plytho, your role falls into level B, so you are assuming that everyone’s role must be a B, because it fits your sense of balance. B is your upper and lower bound. And why shouldn’t you believe this, it’s the recent norm on xkcd and in every game you’ve ever played. Your greatest error is that you are so sure that everyone is a B and that this is supported by two claims (which it is not, claims are merely claims and the flips contain no setup information), that you are unwilling to consider anything else. You are making an analysis based on very incomplete and possibly unreliable information. Your unwillingness to reconsider when I practically told you twice that you were wrong makes me think that you are deliberately trying to spread misinformation about the setup. Which maybe you already know more about that I do.
My role is either A or C, so I am taking into consideration that A, B, and C may all be in the game.