But your "where there is no real reason to have a regionally adjusted UBI" is what I'm referring to. It means that the BIU would be justifiably equal.Thesh wrote:In Equilibrium != Equal
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But your "where there is no real reason to have a regionally adjusted UBI" is what I'm referring to. It means that the BIU would be justifiably equal.Thesh wrote:In Equilibrium != Equal
Pfhorrest wrote:I'm not talking about calculating your regular income taxes based on just property income (which is already counted as part of your regular income, yes), but just having the only kind of income subject to the UBI-funding tax (and from which the mean of which the UBI amount is calculated) by net property income. So all your income as currently calculated gets taxed as it currently does; then all of your net property income specifically gets taxed again at some percent, and you get credited that same percent of the mean of all net property incomes.
You mean things like renting a car when you travel, renting a backhoe when you want to do yard work, and renting an airplane when you want to fly? How is this parasitic? The alternative is that I would have to purchase an car every time I flew to a distant town, and then try to sell it when the flight was issuing its boarding call for my flight home.slinches wrote: I certainly agree that sitting on assets and renting their use is parasitic to the economy in nature.
Can't the same be said of retail? Doubling the wholesale price for a retail customer is pretty much the norm. Stores would argue that they provide a service; renters have the same argument. Why not keep the margins of stores be kept "as small as possible"?slinches wrote:While the ability to rent is valuable to a society, renters must necessarily charge more than the item is worth in order to make a profit. That profit is non-productive except in the capacity that it allows for more efficient distribution of shared resources. So we should definitely not prohibit renting as a business, but the margins of those businesses should be kept as small of a percentage of the asset's productive value as can be achieved.
Pfhorrest wrote:That reflexivity argument you support for money is exactly the source of my issues with real estate rent. The people who are too poor to buy their own houses instead have to rent them which sucks up the money they would be putting toward not being too poor to buy a house anymore, trapping them in perpetual debt. If everyone could easily afford to buy housing if they wanted to own and only rented when they wanted to rent there would be no practical problem with it, and so in dirt cheap markets nobody cares, but in places where most people cannot buy, rent leaves them trapped in that circumstance.
Pfhorrest wrote:And yes, I know, then move somewhere cheap, but do you really think there ought to be no e.g. grocery store checkers in California, where that kind of job will never ever pay enough to afford not to rent? Tens of millions of people should 'just move'?
CorruptUser wrote:They WOULD pay enough, or at least more, if we reduced the supply of unskilled labor. But I don't get the impression you would be ok with tighter immigration controls.
Flying drones and robots now patrol distribution warehouses - they've become workhorses of the e-commerce era online that retailers can't do without. It is driving down costs but it is also putting people out of work: what price progress?
It could be a scene from Blade Runner 2049; the flying drone hovers in the warehouse aisle, its spinning rotors filling the cavernous space with a buzzing whine.
It edges close to the packages stacked on the shelf and scans them using onboard optical sensors, before whizzing off to its next assignment.
But this is no sci-fi film, it's a warehouse in the US - one of around 250,000 throughout the country, many gargantuan in size: retail giant Walmart's smallest warehouse, for example, is larger than 17 football fields put together.
And these automated drones are now doing the jobs humans - on foot, or operating fork-lift trucks and mechanical lifts - used to do: and they're doing them more cheaply and more accurately.
Two drones can do the work of 100 humans over the same time period, according to supply chain specialist, Argon Consulting. This means they can do several tours of a warehouse - even at night - compare results, identify discrepancies, and build up a much more accurate picture much more quickly.
CorruptUser wrote:Ultra-Highly skilled immigrants, such as doctors and entrepreneurs, create more jobs than they consume. We are generally good about bringing those people over. It's the unskilled immigrants I am talking about. Those... It's a mixed bag, really. They absolutely benefit the skilled and highly skilled natives by making their dollars go farther, but they harm the unskilled natives.
Then it gets into the thorny issue of taxes when it comes to social services like schools and hospitals.
As for automation, I actually don't see that as a problem and think we should be automating more regardless. I... actually disagree a bit on the citizens wage as a solution; I'd prefer citizen's employment in the form of increasing civil service jobs, because why pay people to do nothing when theres still work to be done? Automate all the fast food and construction jobs, but train those workers to be in child protective services, education, police force, criminal defense attorneys, etc. For the people that are too incompetent to be trained in absolutely anything? Yeah, maybe a subsistence welfare, but I think those people are few and far between.
CorruptUser wrote:Alright, "all" was a bit of hyperbole, but most construction jobs are likely to be automated.
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"Construction and building worker (other)" is unlikely, and electrical engineer amongst the least likely, so there will still be jobs, but roofer, carpenter, bricklayer, and so on are pretty much toast, and I don't consider those unskilled. There absolutely are skilled and semiskilled jobs in construction, part of the reason that even Terry Goodkind, the author who is the lovechild from when Ayn Rand took the advice to "go fuck herself" literally, actually supported construction workers guilds/unions. Because when you get the non-union workers, well, you'll be devoured by workers comp issues and delays.
eran_rathan wrote:Anyone who thinks construction is unskilled labor doesn't have a fucking clue and should work in it for a while before mouthing off.
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