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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby Dr34m(4+(h3r » Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:50 pm UTC

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Dr34m(4+(h3r wrote:I'm in Seattle. I ended up sleeping on the street. May get kicked out of the shelter program due to complications, we'll see.

How are you doing tonight? I know this must be an immensely stressful time. Any luck with getting things worked out with either shelter?


Surprisingly, things are fine at the shelter I'm staying at. I just need to make sure they remain that way.

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Postby ivnja » Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:39 pm UTC

Dr34m(4+(h3r wrote:Surprisingly, things are fine at the shelter I'm staying at. I just need to make sure they remain that way.

That's wonderful!
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Postby Monika » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:53 pm UTC

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Dr34m(4+(h3r wrote:I'm in Seattle. I ended up sleeping on the street. May get kicked out of the shelter program due to complications, we'll see.

How are you doing tonight? I know this must be an immensely stressful time. Any luck with getting things worked out with either shelter?


Surprisingly, things are fine at the shelter I'm staying at. I just need to make sure they remain that way.

That's good to hear. But it also doesn't have a possibility to cook, does it?
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Postby Dr34m(4+(h3r » Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:27 pm UTC

Monika wrote:
Dr34m(4+(h3r wrote:
ivnja wrote:
Dr34m(4+(h3r wrote:I'm in Seattle. I ended up sleeping on the street. May get kicked out of the shelter program due to complications, we'll see.

How are you doing tonight? I know this must be an immensely stressful time. Any luck with getting things worked out with either shelter?


Surprisingly, things are fine at the shelter I'm staying at. I just need to make sure they remain that way.

That's good to hear. But it also doesn't have a possibility to cook, does it?


It actually does have a kitchen, but in order to save money I'm basically eating nothing but instant noodles and ravioli out of a can anyway so it's a moot point. It also has a shower, surprisingly. It's a pretty swell place, the only downside is figuring out how to schedule mandatory chores around my work week. And I'm still in a state of nervousness about upsetting people, but that's about it. First week in the shelter is over and done with though, and at this rate I can probably keep going for another couple of months at least. Also, my medicaid card arrived, so now if I do have to commit myself it will be covered.

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Postby ivnja » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:01 pm UTC

Dr34m(4+(h3r wrote:
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Dr34m(4+(h3r wrote:
ivnja wrote:
Dr34m(4+(h3r wrote:I'm in Seattle. I ended up sleeping on the street. May get kicked out of the shelter program due to complications, we'll see.

How are you doing tonight? I know this must be an immensely stressful time. Any luck with getting things worked out with either shelter?


Surprisingly, things are fine at the shelter I'm staying at. I just need to make sure they remain that way.

That's good to hear. But it also doesn't have a possibility to cook, does it?
It actually does have a kitchen, but in order to save money I'm basically eating nothing but instant noodles and ravioli out of a can anyway so it's a moot point. It also has a shower, surprisingly. It's a pretty swell place, the only downside is figuring out how to schedule mandatory chores around my work week. And I'm still in a state of nervousness about upsetting people, but that's about it. First week in the shelter is over and done with though, and at this rate I can probably keep going for another couple of months at least. Also, my medicaid card arrived, so now if I do have to commit myself it will be covered.

That sounds like a lot of good news :) Are you feeling less stressed overall?
As a side note, make sure you're drinking enough water and work in a little potassium if you get a chance to counteract all the sodium in the ramen and canned pastas/soups/etc.
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Postby Monika » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:38 pm UTC

That sounds pretty good for being homeless at least.
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Postby Ginger » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:56 am UTC

Update on my hormone therapy: After trying for over a month to get my doctor's people to write a prior authorization they finally did however my insurance isn't approving the right dosage. So what did they actually write or is that some other kind of problem? The insurance actually sent me a rejection letter once stating their concerns or whatever so it might be that I simply can't get that high of a dosage. Regardless of the exact problem the only solutions offered so far were trying the injection kind or keep going trying to get the dosage on patches they wanted approved. It's taken several months. If I can't get things straightened around with my current doctor in the next month or two I'm looking for a new hormones doctor.
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Postby CelticNot » Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:13 pm UTC

Been in communication with the clinic for my SRS. They wanted an A1C update since it was old. I have a new one and it's quite good. Just need to get the results from my endocrinologist, scan and send them in, and maybe within a month I'll have a date.

I should be a lot more nervous about this than I am, and the fact that I'm not is more worrying than the surgery.
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Postby ivnja » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:50 pm UTC

Ginger wrote:It's taken several months. If I can't get things straightened around with my current doctor in the next month or two I'm looking for a new hormones doctor.

Yeah, it's sounded from your last couple posts like your current endocrinologist is at best not on the same page with you.
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Postby Ginger » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:42 am UTC

He's even said after I've called him and the pharmacy's called him that he had no clue what was going on. Their office doesn't even contact me when there's a problem most of them time so I can't move ahead. However I really don't know how to feminize my appearance without hormones. I could try doing more of the steps I take now to look feminine but I doubt that's going to do the same job hormones does. So I'll try to shop around for somebody that works.

CelticNot wrote:Been in communication with the clinic for my SRS. They wanted an A1C update since it was old. I have a new one and it's quite good. Just need to get the results from my endocrinologist, scan and send them in, and maybe within a month I'll have a date.

I should be a lot more nervous about this than I am, and the fact that I'm not is more worrying than the surgery.

Congratulations on taking such a big step in your transition. Hopefully everything goes well. I'd be worried about the surgery even though I want it. It's envious that you're not as worried as I imagine I'd be ha-ha. :P
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Postby CelticNot » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:15 pm UTC

Ginger wrote:Congratulations on taking such a big step in your transition. Hopefully everything goes well. I'd be worried about the surgery even though I want it. It's envious that you're not as worried as I imagine I'd be ha-ha. :P


Thanks. I'll probably start panicking when I have a firm date, since that puts a countdown timer on the whole thing...
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Postby Ginger » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:42 am UTC

Going to complain about how other people treat me for a moment. I feel like I have enemies everywhere because people are so "confused"/hostile about calling me a woman that they might as well have said they don't like my face. People ask if I'm the same person when my mom talks about me as a woman and they know my old name or whatever. I never liked that name nor did I want it but when people know, especially professionals, they insist on calling me a man and using male tropes to talk to me--A dentist even called me, "Champ." I was wearing a skirt and calling myself Zoey you dunce.

That's another thing: When did "Zoey" become a male name? Because sometimes people call me the right name but not the right pronouns. Just when was Zoey Sabrina a masculine name? Clearly they just don't want to be nice and are trying to hurt my feelings. Else they may believe they're asserting their rights to misidentify me because I don't have breasts or whatever they decide is the criteria for a, "Real WomanTM." Even feminists have turned on me when they found out and people in the park believing I'm some strange stalker out to get their teenage girls when I was homeless at the time. Being called the equivalent of a man in a dress gets simply old very extremely quickly. :(
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Postby PAstrychef » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:59 pm UTC

Once again, this is how society treats women that it finds unattractive. I wear a 44DDD bra, have short hair and wear jeans most of the time. People call me sir every day. It’s occurred to me that when I do put on a dress these days, there will be some folks who assume I’m trans.
If the people who use the wrong pronouns are are talking to your mother, it sounds like they don’t know you very well, have little contact with you and are not clear on the whole trans* idea in the first place. Ignore them. Let your mom deal with their confusion. If they talk to you in person you can explain as much or as little as you want to.
Medical professionals can have a different perspective. As a woman, you are still at risk for prostrate cancer, which I am not. You are hoping to make massive changes in how your body works by changing its hormonal balance. Whatever else is going on, doctors have to recognize that.
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Postby Monika » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:12 pm UTC

Ginger wrote:Going to complain about how other people treat me for a moment. I feel like I have enemies everywhere because people are so "confused"/hostile about calling me a woman that they might as well have said they don't like my face. People ask if I'm the same person when my mom talks about me as a woman and they know my old name or whatever. I never liked that name nor did I want it but when people know, especially professionals, they insist on calling me a man and using male tropes to talk to me--A dentist even called me, "Champ." I was wearing a skirt and calling myself Zoey you dunce.

That's another thing: When did "Zoey" become a male name? Because sometimes people call me the right name but not the right pronouns. Just when was Zoey Sabrina a masculine name? Clearly they just don't want to be nice and are trying to hurt my feelings. Else they may believe they're asserting their rights to misidentify me because I don't have breasts or whatever they decide is the criteria for a, "Real WomanTM." Even feminists have turned on me when they found out and people in the park believing I'm some strange stalker out to get their teenage girls when I was homeless at the time. Being called the equivalent of a man in a dress gets simply old very extremely quickly. :(

Transmisogyny is so shitty :( *hugs if wanted*

Not sure about the "champ" thing, in the US I heard a cis woman being called champ (for not complaining about an unavoidable unpleasant situation ... kind of fits with dentistry) ... if he didn't do any other misgendering there is a chance he's using it neutrally with patients of all genders. But you were there and you're the judge of the situation.
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Postby Ginger » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:18 pm UTC

Times have changed and multiple words that sound gendered to me are used neutrally that's true. I felt that he was misidentifying me because after I insisted on being called a woman he said that because he's seen me presenting differently gender-wise that such a request was too unreasonable and/or difficult to comply with. So I guess the word isn't so bad but his follow up comments made me feel very alienated.

PAstrychef wrote:Once again, this is how society treats women that it finds unattractive. I wear a 44DDD bra, have short hair and wear jeans most of the time. People call me sir every day. It’s occurred to me that when I do put on a dress these days, there will be some folks who assume I’m trans.
If the people who use the wrong pronouns are are talking to your mother, it sounds like they don’t know you very well, have little contact with you and are not clear on the whole trans* idea in the first place. Ignore them. Let your mom deal with their confusion. If they talk to you in person you can explain as much or as little as you want to.
Medical professionals can have a different perspective. As a woman, you are still at risk for prostrate cancer, which I am not. You are hoping to make massive changes in how your body works by changing its hormonal balance. Whatever else is going on, doctors have to recognize that.
However, if a practitioner in the office can’t use the name you ask them to, get another bloody dentist!

You're right that if they're talking to my mom it's better to let her handle it. As well I believe that if you dress or act a certain way people will make judgments especially if they also just don't like how you look. Anyways they treat me as if my name isn't Zoey either. Or they say, "He said his name is Zoey," or whatever to my face. And I hate it. As far as the dentist/medical professional thing: Some of it is because I'm not assertive about my name/pronouns anymore, some prejudice (in my opinion based on past attempts to get recognition) and some because I never told them my new name. But when I do it usually ends badly. :(
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Postby PAstrychef » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:23 pm UTC

Yeah, that’s just being an asshole. Plenty of other dentists out there.
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Postby Zohar » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:09 pm UTC

Agreed, dentist is a jerk, find someone else. Possibly write a bad review of them so other people can beware.

I will say a lot of the trans people I've met have made conscious efforts to change their social circles to new people they didn't previously know, specifically for those reasons, so they don't feel like they have to explain themselves. This is a process you could work on as well. Not because all your old connections are lost or because it's too hard to learn a new pronoun (it's not, that's bullshit), but because you might feel it's an easier process. I imagine in the end it's a bit of a combination of the two.
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Postby ivnja » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:15 pm UTC

Monika wrote:Not sure about the "champ" thing, in the US I heard a cis woman being called champ (for not complaining about an unavoidable unpleasant situation ... kind of fits with dentistry)

Outside of the context of referring to someone who is actually the reigning champion of something significant*, we'd generally make a distinction between calling someone a champ ("You were a real champ for coming in to bail us out on your day off," etc) and using champ as a sort of nickname in the same vein as buddy, except more condescending, like calling them killer, or big guy, or sport.

It's the sort of thing you'd call a ten year old boy, because at that age they generally don't understand the irony (see also: the original Bugs Bunny use of Nimrod for Elmer Fudd, before people who didn't get the joke warped its meaning). Calling an adult that is demeaning. Calling an adult woman that is both demeaning and at best ignoring the (male-) gendered connotation of the nickname.

*For this usage, I'm particularly envisioning a press conference before a big boxing match, and a reporter asking a question like "Champ, you've been preparing for this fight for months. How are you going to blah blah blah blah?" In that context, it's being used deferentially.
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Postby Pfhorrest » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:06 pm UTC

Not really related to this ongoing conversation, but several points in it tangentially reminded me of a kind of etiquette issue I've been wondering about recently. There's a person who works at a local coffee shop whose name tag says "Sean", but who looks and sounds female, and within the confines of their work dress code seems to be presenting as female as far as I can tell (hair, jewelry, etc). I've been wondering if they're a woman with an unusual name (maybe a very well-passing transwoman who kept her birth name?), or a transman not passing very well, or what. But I don't want to ask because just needing to ask the question could be offensive whatever the answer is, and thankfully since I don't actually have to interact with them enough to need to use any pronouns at all, I'm able to just avoid the issue altogether, but it kind of makes me wonder what if I wasn't able to just avoid it like that.

This isn't meant to be commentary on anyone else's situation in this thread, just a thought or anecdote or something.
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Postby ObsessoMom » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:28 pm UTC

Pfhorrest, you may be interested to know that a female actor named Sean Young was in both Blade Runner movies.

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Postby Pfhorrest » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:38 am UTC

That is interesting to learn, thanks. So maybe she's just a ciswoman with an unusual name.
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Postby Dr34m(4+(h3r » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:09 am UTC

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Postby Monika » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:39 am UTC

How can they close a shelter in the winter in Seattle :-(
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Postby flicky1991 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:43 am UTC

Moving from intro thread.
flicky1991 wrote:I was a guy and now I'm less of a guy. Any pronouns are nice but female ones feel quite validating right now. :mrgreen:
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That's a good attitude, flicky.

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Postby Dr34m(4+(h3r » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:05 pm UTC

Monika wrote:How can they close a shelter in the winter in Seattle :-(


They opened it again. It's just that with work and other obligations I couldn't check back in and now all the women's beds are full.

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Postby flicky1991 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:47 pm UTC

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Monika wrote:How can they close a shelter in the winter in Seattle :-(


They opened it again. It's just that with work and other obligations I couldn't check back in and now all the women's beds are full.
Sounds rough for you. I hope things work out.
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Postby Ginger » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:38 am UTC

From a young age I tried to figure myself out. Feelings that my body and gender roles were wrong persisted for quite a while. I wanted to dress in girly clothes, have a girly voice and a feminine body shape and feminine body parts... however that never happened (except the female clothes/makeup wearing, which did happen). I had to deal with the disparity in what I wanted to be treated as and what I "actually was by birth," which caused a lot of internal battles. For a while just role-playing as the opposite gender was enough. However I found a seedy side to it where people wanted to treat me like a sexual object, which I didn't altogether mind, though in real life nobody wanted me. That's another thing too: How do you have dates when most people expect your body parts to match your clothes and hair and whatnot yet mine don't? Most people think the phrase, "woman with a penis" is silly and wrong, yet until I have the surgery that is what I am. So I made a vow to myself that I'd try to come to terms with whatever kind of woman I am.

And I have had some positive experiences being transgender: People calling me, "young lady" or offering to do things for me or even calling me sexy. Those are the times when the work I put into figuring myself out is worth it. Unfortunately a lot of the nice behavior has disbelief mixed in there where they still won't accept me until I have a vagina and breasts.

Update: And my sexual orientation is another thing. Do I like boys, girls, both or neither or mixed? I've come to the conclusion that I like and shall have relationships with either sex. If they look a bit gender-bending I can relate to that. If they have elements of both sexes in their personalities, way of dressing or behaviors I can get down with that too. Nonetheless I still find myself being critical of what "passes as a woman or a man" when evaluating a potential friend or date partner. Anyways I'm comfortably bisexual for now. I just have a lot to learn about being appropriate when somebody shows that they like me.
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Postby Monika » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:20 pm UTC

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Monika wrote:How can they close a shelter in the winter in Seattle :-(


They opened it again. It's just that with work and other obligations I couldn't check back in and now all the women's beds are full.

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Postby flicky1991 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:33 pm UTC

Ginger wrote:Nonetheless I still find myself being critical of what "passes as a woman or a man" when evaluating a potential friend or date partner.
I know this problem... not so much friends, but whether I'm attracted to someone does somewhat depend on that. That's one reason why I call myself bi rather than pan, despite not really fitting in the gender binary myself.
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Postby Dr34m(4+(h3r » Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:33 pm UTC

The other problem is that even with SSI, I haven't been able to find anyone willing to rent to me or house me long term and it's unlikely that will change much.

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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby Ginger » Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:59 am UTC

flicky1991 wrote:
Ginger wrote:Nonetheless I still find myself being critical of what "passes as a woman or a man" when evaluating a potential friend or date partner.
I know this problem... not so much friends, but whether I'm attracted to someone does somewhat depend on that. That's one reason why I call myself bi rather than pan, despite not really fitting in the gender binary myself.

It's not truly practical or nice with the judging whether or not they pass. Though I kind of like to surround myself with hot friends so there's that however mostly it's my physical attraction or ease of talking to them that depends on whether they look like they are a man or a woman. Not being a traditional whatever gender/orientation is tough and most people don't think too much if they shun you because of how you look. So I have learned to be a bit discriminating. Sometimes when I feel cruel to men I call myself a lesbian however I believe bisexual is what I'll go with when I'm charitable.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby CelticNot » Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:35 pm UTC

Dunno whether I should post this here or in the Woman Thread, but...

I know there's no evidence for developing periods when on female hormones, but I'll be damned if I haven't had an emotional low like clockwork every 4.5 weeks in the last six months. I almost wish I had the physical symptoms to go with it, because then it would catch me less off-guard each time.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby Ginger » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:57 am UTC

I posted in The Woman Thread once. It was a negative post about men's "grotesque egos" or something? And nobody said anything so I didn't feel like Part of the Woman Club. I felt hesitant about ever posting with the women that were born women again. But we can forgive them because I was having an off day and making coy remarks. Anyways, when I started estrogen, I definitely felt moodier. I was having emotional lows anyways but I distinctly recall one time having a row with a friend and coming out crying profusely where otherwise I wouldn't. So you're not alone. As far as period symptoms, physical ones, go: I can go without them. But again it's like being Part of the Woman Club to have them....
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby Pfhorrest » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:56 am UTC

I just had a pleasant new first. I've previously had people address me as female, and then change to male after interacting with me for a bit, usually without further comment on the "slip-up", and I always find it kinda nice that at least at first I was passing as female (and being genderqueer I don't really mind if they reassess me as male afterward, straddling that line of androgyny is my goal and I'm thrilled enough that it works well enough to get female-at-first-glance at least).

But just now, some random guy in a car next to me in a parking lot addressed me as "bud" at first, and then switched to "ma'am" and apologized after I spoke. I haven't even shaved in days, though in all fairness it was dark out and I wasn't facing right at him so maybe he couldn't tell. But I guess size and stature read "male" out of the corner of his eye, but clothes and voice read "female" on closer inspection? Cool.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby flicky1991 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:41 am UTC

That sounds wonderful! I sometimes feel like presenting as female, but I'm bad enough socially that I don't want to add an extra layer of difficulty.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby e^iπ+1=0 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:57 am UTC

Yeah, I similarly haven't bothered much with exploring gender presentations or what have you despite kind of wanting to. Though for me I think the most significant factor is just how shitty trans people get treated. Like, my thought process has sort of been "Hmm, kinda feel like maybe I'm not cis... Supposing I'm not, what sort of things would I actually want to do about that? Probably not much, because literally every day I see shitty experiences that trans people I know have to deal with and I don't want that."
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby Ginger » Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:37 am UTC

People who've been born into a gender role and presentation, with the right body parts and voices don't really know how difficult it is for those things not to match your current body/voice. People call you different words depending on what gender you are, they talk about different subjects in conversations and they behave differently in interpersonal relationships. Women have been real judging on me. Saying I'm not real, I have a "male energy" or that I'm making a fetish out of womanhood. So yes, transgender people get treated like garbage, and I have been. They won't even let me use the appropriate bathrooms or go to women's groups--Even the ones that say they accept me.

It makes me tempted to side with the bad men I hated/loved (it's complicated) in my younger years that used me. Because at least they like me for something. These supposedly open-minded "regular people" never treat me like a real woman and I hate it.

Update: I get the worst parts of being treated like a woman when it happens. People are fine calling me a "Bitch" in public or some weird stalker girl but they don't treat me like a lady. My friends have called me a bitch, strangers cat called me on the street and my friends used my home and hospitality as a way to get stuff out of me like their Goddess damned mother. So unless people are calling me a sexy object or a nightmare they never treat me like a lady.
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby Monika » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:21 am UTC

Has someone watched Modern Family? What are these wedding boards where Cam and Mitch say „veto veto veto“?
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Re: [SAFESPACE] LGBTIQQA Thread - Queer Support!

Postby Deva » Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:17 pm UTC

Appears to be used for planning. Creates a visual sketch of how you want the wedding to look.

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Changes its form depending on the observer.


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