natraj wrote:i just saw it and enjoyed it plot holes and all i also have to say that tryna count darth vader as a Good Black Character is just about the worst take i have seen in the history of star wars discussions and i've been seeing a lot of kyle ron apologists lately
We still on this? Lando was also an excellent character, and if you're bothered by masks, and the plot change to make Vader family mid-original trilogy, neither of these things apply to him.
Finn doesn't represent all that much change over the original trilogy. He seems important initially, but rapidly ends up demoted to a second string character, and in this film, he only gets to go up against the sadly under-utilized Phasma. Neither really gets a great role, though they could have been a lot more. Ultimately, representation looks...more or less like they're aiming for a not-quite-remake. Lot of familiar elements. This goes a lot further than demographics. Poe's kind of the new Han, though the role occupied isn't exactly the same.
Ultimately, this isn't even my issue with the new movies, I just felt that the old ones deserved some defense from the charge of being entirely uninclusive, when they actually did pretty good, particularly for the time.
EdgarJPublius wrote:1. I think stories should be allowed to be told across multiple mediums. And especially as it pertains to Disney'Marvel's marquee franchises that have been doing this stuff for like ten years now, it may be a little out of touch to expect all the background information to be conveyed on screen.
Eh. No. I ought not have to watch the marvel TV shows in order to understand the latest movie. I *definitely* shouldn't have to read the comics.
I accept that a movie might have to require watching of the films directly before it, if it's in a series, but it really, really shouldn't require information from outside the series altogether, and "show, not tell" is an important element of film. The title crawl works really well as a summary of the last movie, refreshing people on where we are, but important plot elements ought to be shown within the films themselves.
EdgarJPublius wrote:2. It's Star Wars, all the background you need is in the opening crawl. "The sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the EMPIRE" but "General Leia Organa leads a brave RESISTANCE." If you expected more than that, I dunno what to tell you. Maybe you think we need a whole prequel trilogy on the origins of Kylo Ren and how Snoke rose to power and created the First Order, or a documentary on the astro-political ramifications of the Battle of Endor and subsequent creation of the New Republic, I know I don't.
A whole trilogy? No. More than a title crawl? Yeah. If a sequel is set in a substantially different place than the last film ended on, a bit of showing the audience how we got there is for the best. Doesn't have to be multiple films, but maybe at least a coupla scenes. A series should flow decently well if you watch the movies back to back.