Food fleeting thoughts

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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby PAstrychef » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:42 pm UTC

Angua wrote:Would lemon and raspberry make a good combination for cake flavours?

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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby Angua » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:21 pm UTC

I will show this confirmation to my fiance for cake. He wants lemon. I like raspberry. Thought it would be a nice compromise.
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Postby doogly » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:23 pm UTC

Oh yeah it totally works really well.
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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby Ginger » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:02 am UTC

Chiming in as like the other person to say raspberry and lemon cake would be yummy-yummy good delicious. <3

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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby AngrySquirrel » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:37 pm UTC

Why is it that every time I try to find dinner tips that are a) quick b) cheap and c) somewhat healthy, I get all these sites that give me recipes that are none of those things and also contains a bazillion ingredients I've never heard of?

I just want someone to tell me what to make for dinner and be able to follow through on it without taking out a mortgage.
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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby sardia » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:17 pm UTC

AngrySquirrel wrote:Why is it that every time I try to find dinner tips that are a) quick b) cheap and c) somewhat healthy, I get all these sites that give me recipes that are none of those things and also contains a bazillion ingredients I've never heard of?

I just want someone to tell me what to make for dinner and be able to follow through on it without taking out a mortgage.

What are you trying to make? And what equipment do you have?( Full kitchen? Microwave and a tin pot?, Blender? Pressure cooker?)
Some stuff is a luxury, and not actually required, like fish sauce which is a flavor enhancer, or some herbs to add depth. Unfortunately, recipes rarely tell you that, and rely on your personal experience in order to customize or strip down the recipe.

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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

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sardia wrote:
AngrySquirrel wrote:Why is it that every time I try to find dinner tips that are a) quick b) cheap and c) somewhat healthy, I get all these sites that give me recipes that are none of those things and also contains a bazillion ingredients I've never heard of?

I just want someone to tell me what to make for dinner and be able to follow through on it without taking out a mortgage.

What are you trying to make? And what equipment do you have?( Full kitchen? Microwave and a tin pot?, Blender? Pressure cooker?)
Some stuff is a luxury, and not actually required, like fish sauce which is a flavor enhancer, or some herbs to add depth. Unfortunately, recipes rarely tell you that, and rely on your personal experience in order to customize or strip down the recipe.

a) Dinner
b) a kitchen
c) single person small-kitchen stuff (no pressure cookers, fancy kitchen machines or big things that take up space, but the basics are all there)

I have a experience with cooking, I can strip a recipe as well as anyone, things being "complicated" or "difficult" is not a problem. But I am a single person with limited funds. If there's more than one type of meat required it is too expensive (I prefer vegetarian food as that tends to be cheaper, but if it's things I can get cheaply I'll allow it). And if I have to buy ingredients with severely limited shelf-life it's an annoyance (I hate throwing away food and I'm only one person so there will be leftovers).
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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby speising » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:45 pm UTC

I'd like to have a website that takes a list of everything in my kitchen (food, condiments, but maybe even equipment) and then makes recipe recomendations with minimum required shopping.

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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby AngrySquirrel » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:48 pm UTC

speising wrote:I'd like to have a website that takes a list of everything in my kitchen (food, condiments, but maybe even equipment) and then makes recipe recomendations with minimum required shopping.

That would be sweet.

Come to think of it, I recall there being a page like that back in the day, but it shut down about 5 years ago due to uhm, don't remember. Something about spam.
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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby sardia » Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:18 pm UTC

*shrugs* I thought you had a question about a particular recipe. My mistake.
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speising wrote:I'd like to have a website that takes a list of everything in my kitchen (food, condiments, but maybe even equipment) and then makes recipe recomendations with minimum required shopping.

That would be sweet.

Come to think of it, I recall there being a page like that back in the day, but it shut down about 5 years ago due to uhm, don't remember. Something about spam.

NPR used to have a series about pantry leftovers, but the ingredients they had were so stereotypical of public radio, the resulting recipes were disappointing.

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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby Liri » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:00 pm UTC

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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby cephalopod9 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:19 pm UTC

There were a couple weeks, a while ago*, the google had a "Recipe" search, and I deeply miss what that could have been.

Recipes are a weird intersection of mathematical precision, and arbitrary feelings and preferences.
One of the recipe archive sites tries to splice in shopping recommendations, and added a "where to buy" link for the ingredient "boiling water".

I'm specifically looking at lemon curd** recipes at present. As usual there's a lot of agreement between recipes, eggs, butter, lemon juice and sugar, but a lot of variation, 1 c or 1/2 c sugar, 1/2 a stick*** or 3/4 stick of butter...
Why are Martha Stewart recipes huge? Her "easy lemon curd" calls for 8 Large Egg Yolks. I find that to be a high number of eggs.

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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby sardia » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:05 pm UTC

I have chicken pot pie filling, but I'm not sure what crust to use. Should I go only seal the top of a baking dish? Or should I add a crust that is on the bottom and the top? Lastly, Puff pastry shell or storebought pie crust? Or both?

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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby PAstrychef » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:02 pm UTC

The bottom crust tends not to bake properly, I would skip it. As for which crust, how fancy do you want to be? A regular pie crust is very nice, but puff pastry looks more impressive. If using a puff pastry case, bake it and heat the filling separately, then put the filling in when it’s hot. Sealing a crust to the top of the pan is the easiest way to go.
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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby sardia » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:57 am UTC

PAstrychef wrote:The bottom crust tends not to bake properly, I would skip it. As for which crust, how fancy do you want to be? A regular pie crust is very nice, but puff pastry looks more impressive. If using a puff pastry case, bake it and heat the filling separately, then put the filling in when it’s hot. Sealing a crust to the top of the pan is the easiest way to go.

I made both, using premade crusts. I like the flakiness of the puff pastry, but the ease of use of the standard pie crust is pretty nice. It's also more filling. I'm going to try to make a hybrid pot pie with my last batch of chicken filling.
I may try one more time with an actual home made crust recipe. Bravetart had a simple recipe that I would like to use.
The bottom crust was a little pale, but I think if I preheated my oven to 450 then lower to 400 to bake, and brushed the crust with eggwash, it should brown up nicely in a hot cast iron.
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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby cephalopod9 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:15 am UTC

If you're outside the US, what's the volume of an egg? If you crack a large egg into a measuring cup, how does it measure?

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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby Zohar » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:27 pm UTC

cephalopod9 wrote:If you're outside the US, what's the volume of an egg? If you crack a large egg into a measuring cup, how does it measure


Egg sized are relatively standard, I think. At least, I used "large" eggs in Israel and A-size eggs in the US and had more-or-less the same results.
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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

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Who, outside the US, cares about volumes of non-liquids?

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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby Thesh » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:06 pm UTC

Eggs come in different sizes, and they are graded with regulations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_egg_sizes

US Large ~= UK Medium ~= 50ml (because 46 isn't a measurable number)
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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby freezeblade » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:15 pm UTC

California checking in with egg sizes (weighed without shell):
Medium = 45g
Large = 50g
Extra Large = 55g
Jumbo = 60-65g

volume? I have no idea, but those are the weights I've come across here.
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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

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speising wrote:Who, outside the US, cares about volumes of non-liquids?

The inside of an egg is liquid.

Almost all the eggs in the store, and all the eggs recipes call for are "large", and the contents of a large egg fit pretty neatly in a quarter cup. It's relevant to scaling recipes, and making substitutions or using pasteurized egg from a carton.

I got wondering about whether the metric system would favor a different volume of egg.

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Postby freezeblade » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:33 pm UTC

cephalopod9 wrote:I got wondering about whether the metric system would favor a different volume of egg.


50ml/50g is really scale-able (what I learned in culinary class as the volume/weight of one large egg) and easy to include in recipes, and works especially when working at much larger scales, like a bakery who is making 20 pounds of brioche dough, easier to know the amount of egg by weight and just pour it into the scale.
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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

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cephalopod9 wrote:
speising wrote:Who, outside the US, cares about volumes of non-liquids?

The inside of an egg is liquid.

Almost all the eggs in the store, and all the eggs recipes call for are "large", and the contents of a large egg fit pretty neatly in a quarter cup. It's relevant to scaling recipes, and making substitutions or using pasteurized egg from a carton.

I got wondering about whether the metric system would favor a different volume of egg.

Except that few people even have a "quarter cup". A scale is so much easier.

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speising wrote:
cephalopod9 wrote:
speising wrote:Who, outside the US, cares about volumes of non-liquids?

The inside of an egg is liquid.

Almost all the eggs in the store, and all the eggs recipes call for are "large", and the contents of a large egg fit pretty neatly in a quarter cup. It's relevant to scaling recipes, and making substitutions or using pasteurized egg from a carton.

I got wondering about whether the metric system would favor a different volume of egg.

Except that few people even have a "quarter cup". A scale is so much easier.

Really? A 1/4 Cup measure has always been a common implement in every kitchen I've been in. (In the US of A)

Edit: ah, he was asking about metric, yeah. Cool.
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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby Thesh » Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:18 am UTC

I only have a 2 cup measuring cup, which starts at 1/2 cup.
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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

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In the US much measuring in the kitchen is done by volume. If we started to weigh things, we might start using grams, and slide down that slippery slope to going full metric! After that, universal healthcare would be inevitable.
I have used a scale since I started baking professionally, but some of my coworkers looked at me funny when I wrote down a recipe with the eggs by weight instead of by the piece.
The standard set of cups is 1/4, 1/3, 1/2, 1. I happen to own a set that includes the 2/3 and 3/4 cups as well, but I think they are silly and never use them. For liquids the measurements should start at 1/4 cup.
Knowing the weight is useful if you have a container of just yolks or whites and need a specific number. In the US, that’s .5 oz/yolk; 1.5 oz/white. Folks at my current job are amazed that I can translate US measurements into metric or vise versa in my head, pretty much.
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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby cephalopod9 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:43 am UTC

I'm not a professional, but I do come from a family that bakes. So we definitely have more than the standard measuring tools, like a teeny, shot glass, measuring cup graduated for tea spoons, and an adjustable measuring cup just for stuff like shortening and peanutbutter.

I also understand there's people who don't cook at all, but a liquid measuring cup feels like it should be standard for anyone who does any cooking. Box mixes call for 1/4 and 1/3 cups of liquid all the time.
I have a 2 cup and a 4 cup, they both have 1/4 c lines, and they both have lines for metric measurements that go down to 10ml. those probably aren't super accurate.
I'm googling "metric measuring cup" and only getting pictures with both cups/oz and ml on them.

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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby speising » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:20 am UTC

what we hereabouts use to measure things like water and milk is not a cup, but a clear plastik jug with ml markings, up to 500ml or 1l.

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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby Zohar » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:20 pm UTC

Both in Israel and in the US I've had a set of measuring cups and spoons, as well as a scale. I always prefer weighing ingredients, but the vast majority of recipes I've seen measure eggs by whole units (based on large eggs), simply because unless you're working in an industrial kitchen you probably will be using actual eggs and not an egg carton.
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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby speising » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:27 pm UTC

of course, eggs are always given in natural units. i would be too thrifty to throw away half an egg anyway. OTOH, i've already found myself in the situation that the recipe specified larege eggs, but i only had small ones for some reason, so a way to convert one unit to the other was required...

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Postby freezeblade » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:04 pm UTC

speising wrote:of course, eggs are always given in natural units. i would be too thrifty to throw away half an egg anyway. OTOH, i've already found myself in the situation that the recipe specified larege eggs, but i only had small ones for some reason, so a way to convert one unit to the other was required...


You don't throw away the partial egg! You save it in a container in the fridge for egg wash of baked goods, or tossed into the next morning's egg breakfast.
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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby Ginger » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:32 am UTC

Sometimes I eat oatmeal. And I don't put any salt in like the directions say, eat it with water, and don't cook it. Ha-ha is that strange or odd? Anyways, I like sugar on it, or brown sugar or cinnamon. And sometimes milk in it... I know animal products again yet I don't actually choose what we buy for the house so what you going to do?
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Postby PAstrychef » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:36 pm UTC

Just because it’s in the house doesn’t mean you have to eat it. If you want to, then do so. If you don’t want to, then don’t. Can you help with food shopping to make sure the foods you want are available?
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Postby Ginger » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:46 pm UTC

My opinions are not accepted by the other members of the household. So I either eat and drink what they choose or I starve. Or feel starving anyways. So anyways, I was just like trying to say how I enjoy oatmeal, and express a guilty pleasure and it got me thinking now that I flat out state no one cares about my dietary restrictions: How much of this is just me clinging onto foods I use to enjoy and how much is their fault? I honestly don't know. I practically make into fetishes foods and drinks made by animals. Best I can do is limit not completely cut out my exposure to them I feel.
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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby cephalopod9 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:12 am UTC

I think there's a fair number of meals and dishes where reducing, or removing meat components isn't that much of a chane, but there's twisted up cultural value, particularly in America, where going vegetarian, or cutting back on meat is seen as emasculating, and not as good.

I like veggie burgers, and i wish fake meat had a better social and cultural niche niche than Vegan (tm), punishment food. There's food stuff that doesn't have any animal products in it, like canned beans, or I think Oreos, that don't want to be associated with vegan branding, and vegan branded stuff doesn't want to be associated with "junk" food.

speising wrote:what we hereabouts use to measure things like water and milk is not a cup, but a clear plastik jug with ml markings, up to 500ml or 1l.

Is that different than what I'd call a liquid measuring cup?
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bit of a tangent, I think of a jug as having a handle, and smaller opening, where as a cup, or a pitcher has an open top similar in size to it's base. Also, American convenience stores sell single serving beverage cups larger than of 3/4 of a liter.

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Postby Sandry » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:46 pm UTC

cephalopod9 wrote:I think there's a fair number of meals and dishes where reducing, or removing meat components isn't that much of a chane, but there's twisted up cultural value, particularly in America, where going vegetarian, or cutting back on meat is seen as emasculating, and not as good.

I like veggie burgers, and i wish fake meat had a better social and cultural niche niche than Vegan (tm), punishment food. There's food stuff that doesn't have any animal products in it, like canned beans, or I think Oreos, that don't want to be associated with vegan branding, and vegan branded stuff doesn't want to be associated with "junk" food.

Just wanted to say I appreciate this whole line of reasoning a lot, thanks for posting!

I agree that America's values around meat are flipping weird and carry oddly more baggage than is appropriate for "I do or do not eat a foodstuff". Also that the "it's vegan so it's healthy" sort of default attitude people tend to apply to things is totally batshit. The number of counter examples is so large no one should need to make them to begin with.
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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby cephalopod9 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:45 pm UTC

Everything in America is heavily commodified, and is real huge on individual choices and identity. Getting a consumer to see themself as "A Vegan" instead of "partaking in veganism" makes it easier to sell them on related lifestyle brands and products. Also, someone who sees themself as "A Vegan" doesn't have to think through the cost or consequences of their individual choices, like driving up the price quinoa for indigenous populations, or inhumane farm worker conditions.

I heard part of a teaser for an NPR story speculating whether "non-gmo!" sentiment might be a plot engineered to disadvantage American agricultural industries. Before I lived through 2016, i would have laughed about that. These days, it's just stupid enough to be plausible.

A good chunk of the powers that be have an interest in making people dumber: less aware, and less willing to think.

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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby Zohar » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:45 pm UTC

I disagree. People like labels because they're convenient - you're in the same boat with a bunch of other people, you can get the support of others who know what you're going through in a precise manner, it's easy to find communities that take your experiences for granted. People generally like putting these labels on themselves. The problem with labels arises once you use them to police the behavior and group identity of others, but in terms of creating communities, they're fantastic.

I also disagree that vegans don't think about the impact of their choices. I'm vegetarian, not vegan, but believe me I've thought about this and I do consider the import of produce from abroad, and I've specifically researched quinoa, since you happened to mention it. Your assumption that vegans don't consider moral implications of their actions is a bit ridiculous. You can argue about how some people communicate their choices, and what the media tries to get people to learn in order to sell their products.
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Re: Food fleeting thoughts

Postby pogrmman » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:28 pm UTC

I’ve thought long and hard about this, but I’ve finally come to a conclusion: grapefruit are the best citrus.

Other citrus are good and all (I mean, of the fruits you can find in any store, citrus is the best), but grapefruit comes out on top of the rest. For the sake of this discussion, I’m not considering acid citrus (lemons and limes). While the pith and membranes between grapefruit segments are bitter, the flesh itself is perfect: juicy, with a great balance of acid and bitterness, plus a little bit of that nice sort of grapefruity twang. Sure, they’re messier than an orange or a mandarin or a tangelo because you have to peel the segments, but the flavor easily makes up for it (and it’s not that hard to do — it only takes a second or two). Other citrus don’t have the right balance of acid and sweetness, and if they do, the flavor isn’t as interesting as a grapefruit is. Lots of other citrus are also smaller and/or harder to peel than a grapefruit is.

The grapefruit is the clear winner because of its outstanding flavor, good size, and ease of peeling.

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Postby freezeblade » Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:39 am UTC

Re: Grapefruit

I love grapefruit, but really only the yellow or lightly pink varieties, not the dark red ones you see on the market here (California), which don't taste...grapefruity...enough in my opinion.

The climate out here isn't very good for grapefruit (not nearly hot enough), so I've been hunting for some grapefruit-hybrids which will produce satisfactory analogs in more northern climes:

"Cocktail Grapefruit" : Actually a pomelo crossed with a mandarin, created in California as part of a breeding program, don't think it's gotten much attention outside of local areas. Not really very "grapefuit" like (http://www.citrusvariety.ucr.edu/citrus/cocktail.html)

Oro Blanco: Cross between a grapefruit and an acidless pomelo. Been seeing this one around here a bit, created by the same breeding program as the cocktail grapefruit, but got more distribution, and is closer to a grapefruit in flavor, with slightly less acid. Sold in parts of Europe and the middle east as a "sweetie." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oroblanco)

Melogold: Sister seedling (has the same parents) as the oro blanco, flavor isn't quite a good, but has better yields than the oro blanco. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melogold)

There's one, which is unnamed, and currently still in testing that I've been trying to get a hold of called USDA 1-77-19, which is a complex back-cross hybrid between grapefruit and mandarin (Grapefruit x [mandarin x grapefruit]) (http://www.citrusvariety.ucr.edu/citrus ... 77-19.html)
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