Newbie New Year Mafia - D5

[flicky1991]

My last chance to post before deadline, probably. I don't want the day to end on No Lynch - I'd rather be the one to go since at least my flip would be more information on the pile.

[Sabrar]

I might be getting totally played here but I would like to refer to Solomon the wise for advice and reaffirm my vote on jimbob.

[jimbobmacdoodle]

I might be getting totally played here but I would like to refer to Solomon the wise for advice and reaffirm my vote on jimbob.

I must admit, if this is a reference, it's gone over my head.

Assuming nothing else changes between now and then, I will be moving my vote to flicky on my way home, likely about 17.30 UTC. As I said earlier, I don't think he's scum, but he's got a higher chance FMPOV than of me being it. Unless people would prefer me to leave it until later to avoid L-1 with an hour and a half to go?

flicky, in case you see this, why would your lynch "add more information to the pile" than mine?

[Sabrar]

LaserGuy is incredibly suspicious for not following up on this.

[bessie]

I might be getting totally played here but I would like to refer to Solomon the wise for advice and reaffirm my vote on jimbob.

LaserGuy is incredibly suspicious for not following up on this.

It’s 7:30 am PST (so, for bessie, LaserGuy, BoomFrog, MasterOfAll). We shall see who shows up.


Unvote

I only have about an hour before I leave for work.

[BoomFrog]

Are we doing a shenanigan?

[jimbobmacdoodle]

Unvote

Is this your way of saying you'd prefer my lynch to flicky's?

[BoomFrog]

LaserGuy is incredibly suspicious for not following up on this.

If Jim is scum lunch LaserGuy next seems right. If JimBob is town then I think lynch flicky.

Unvote

Bessie put your vote down if you want. I'll be on to prevent ties. I'm not working today.

[BoomFrog]

@Sabrar: My choice was the obvious one. No useful info.

[bessie]

Are we doing a shenanigan?

Nah, I was hoping MasterOfAll would check in and vote. I unvoted because if MoA did show up and voted for flicky, jimbob could hammer.

[Sabrar]

I'm online for another 1.5 hours or so and maybe will be online 5 minutes before deadline but no promises. Not planning to move my vote.

[jimbobmacdoodle]

Unvote
Vote flicky

To allay bessie's fears about me hammering flicky (also, that would be pretty suicidal for scum!me to do...).

[Sabrar]

It’s 7:30 am PST (so, for bessie, LaserGuy, BoomFrog, MasterOfAll). We shall see who shows up.

We shall see. If LaserGuy was serious about moving to jimbob the least he could have done is to unvote first. That has no risk.

[MasterOfAll]

I don't have much time right now, but here's my vote . . .

Vote: jimbobmacdoodle

[bessie]

To allay bessie's fears about me hammering flicky (also, that would be pretty suicidal for scum!me to do...).

Suicidal, but it would save you from the lynch, and free you from fear of being watched.

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I usually don’t approve of townies claiming to avoid the lynch (look it up everyone, I say this in almost every game), although I am pondering whether or not it is reasonable in this setup. I like even less what Madge did with her claim. And I also don’t approve of “self preservation” votes (also not a new stance with me, but something that doesn’t come up as often so I can’t think of a recent example, but I’m pretty sure Madge and I had a heated discussion over this in Draculafia). So I’m suspicious of this statement. And yes, I don’t like that Madge is pulling the “self preservation” vote gambit too. And no, I don’t think it’s right to attack flicky over this and let Madge get away with it because it is totally within her meta. So I’m suspicious of both of you for it.

Ninja’d while I was writing this up and moving my vote.

[bessie]

Unofficial votals

jimbobmacdoodle - 4 (Hari Seldon, Sabrar, flicky1991, MasterOfAll)
flicky1991 - 3 (LaserGuy, BoomFrog, jimbobmacdoodle)

Not voting: bessie

With 8 alive hammer requires 5 votes. Tied votals will result in no lynch.

[Sabrar]

Unofficial votals - correction

jimbobmacdoodle - 4 (Hari Seldon, Sabrar, flicky1991, MasterOfAll)
flicky1991 - 2 (LaserGuy, jimbobmacdoodle)

Not voting: bessie, BoomFrog

With 8 alive hammer requires 5 votes. Tied votals will result in no lynch.

[jimbobmacdoodle]

Posting to show that I don't intend to self-hammer.

I disagree with suspicions on self-preservation votes in general, but it's not worth debating at this stage.

[BoomFrog]

Posting to show that I don't intend to self-hammer.

I disagree with suspicions on self-preservation votes in general, but it's not worth debating at this stage.

Who are the next two lynches you would choose based on current information? We're not going to have more info tomorrow then you do right now.

[LaserGuy]

LaserGuy is incredibly suspicious for not following up on this.

I knew I'd be here in the morning, and was reasonably certain my vote would not be needed.

[Sabrar]

I knew I'd be here in the morning, and was reasonably certain my vote would not be needed.

But your vote could have contributed to us lynching flicky.

[LaserGuy]

I think flicky is scum.

[Sabrar]

But you were more sure about jimbob.

[jimbobmacdoodle]

Posting to show that I don't intend to self-hammer.

I disagree with suspicions on self-preservation votes in general, but it's not worth debating at this stage.

Who are the next two lynches you would choose based on current information? We're not going to have more info tomorrow then you do right now.

I think bessie and Hari are likely the scum team, for reasons noted earlier in my reads list. I know this disagrees with practically everybody else, but I still stand by it. I'm pretty confident that flicky's slips are genuine, less so with cemper's though, but his play seems to be pretty townie overall.

[jimbobmacdoodle]

By the way, I'm disappointed that apparently nobody has looked at Hari's case on me as I asked people to do.

[LaserGuy]

But you were more sure about jimbob.

I think scum is either flicky/jimbob or bessie/MoA at this point. If it's the former, it doesn't matter much which one we lynch. If it's the latter, I'm resigned to the fact that we've already lost.

[wam]

Current Votals:

jimbobmacdoodle - 4 (Hari Seldon, Sabrar, flicky1991, MasterOfAll)
flicky1991 - 2 (LaserGuy, jimbobmacdoodle)


Not voting: bessie, boomfrog

With 8 alive hammer requires 5 votes. Tied votals will result in no lynch.
Deadline in about 1 hour.

Note that posting and voting may continue after the deadline until a mod calls night (or there’s a hammer vote).

[BoomFrog]

JimBob-Flicky team doesn't really make sense. We should probably be lynching LaserGuy first since he's most likely mates with either of them. Oh well, too late now. Being confirmed town has made me lazy...

[Sabrar]

He'll be lynched tomorrow, don't worry.

[jimbobmacdoodle]

Really got nothing more to say. I've already resigned myself to losing, but at least I get to say "I told you so" this way.

[flicky1991]

flicky, in case you see this, why would your lynch "add more information to the pile" than mine?

I meant it would add more information than a No Lynch.

[wam]

Sorry for the delay

End of D4,

End of Day Votals:

jimbobmacdoodle - 4 (Hari Seldon, Sabrar, flicky1991, MasterOfAll)
flicky1991 - 2 (LaserGuy, jimbobmacdoodle)


Not voting: bessie, boomfrog

Jimbob was lynched his role and alignment will be revealed at the start of day.

It is now N4 24 hour deadline from now please get actions in.

[wam]

"Good morning Randalsburg. This is radio WXKCD and here is the News. Our top story this morning: Late yesterday, jimbobmacdoodle was arrested by Randalsburg Sheriffs on suspicion of being a member of a criminal gang. It appears that jimbobmacdoodle was aware of his impending arrest, and attempted to escape in a kayak. Sherrif wam, speaking to reporters after the arrest, said, 'We're not sure how jimbobmacdoodle became aware that we planned to arrest him, but we're certainly glad that he didn't choose a more sensible escape method.' It is not certain at this time whether bail will be granted.
"Sadly, we must now report on the death of another fine upstanding citizen of Randalsburg. The famed neurosurgeon BoomFrog was found dead at his home early this morning. Although there were no signs of a struggle, the Sheriff's Department is treating his death as suspicious, and Deputy Sheriff Suzaku, who spoke to us on condition of anonymity, indicated that they believed that the Mafia was involved.
"On a lighter note, now, the latest craze among the cool kids of Randalsburg; chocolate malted milk."

Jimbobmacdoodle was lynched. He was vanilla town.

Boomfrog was night killed. He was the doctor, a member of town.

Start of Day 5, 6 alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

[flicky1991]

Oh.

[Sabrar]

This leaves 10 possible pairs which should be manageable to review. Furthermore I think it's fair to discard cemper/MOA+flicky and Hari+LaserGuy based on D1 (though I will take a second look). That leaves 8 pairs.
Also, even though it's MYLO there's technically no advantage in NL, except to gain more time (and allow Hari to catch up). So it might be wise to do it regardless. Either way I'll finally be able to read all those spoilers a week from now.

[LaserGuy]

This leaves 10 possible pairs which should be manageable to review. Furthermore I think it's fair to discard cemper/MOA+flicky and Hari+LaserGuy based on D1 (though I will take a second look). That leaves 8 pairs.
Also, even though it's MYLO there's technically no advantage in NL, except to gain more time (and allow Hari to catch up). So it might be wise to do it regardless. Either way I'll finally be able to read all those spoilers a week from now.

Note (mostly for flicky's benefit) that in MYLO any townie with two votes can be quicklynched by scum and end the game. Best to be a bit cautious with voting until later in the day.

For reference, the ten pairs are:

Spoiler:

LaserGuy/bessie
LaserGuy/Hari
LaserGuy/flicky
LaserGuy/MoA
flicky/Hari
flicky/MoA
flicky/bessie
bessie/Hari
bessie/MoA
MoA/Hari

[Sabrar]

I'm probably discarding LaserGuy+flicky as well.

[Sabrar]

(and allow Hari to catch up)

+MOA
Almost forgot he's in the game...

[Sabrar]

For most part of the game flicky and Hari avoid each other like wildfire, not even committing to reads. From that pov that is certainly a possible pair.

[MasterOfAll]

+MOA
Almost forgot he's in the game...

Yeah, sorry about that. I was curious if playing mafia here would once again be enjoyable for me (I played in bunches of games back in 2009 and 2010). I'm not sure why, but I have not had the motivation to get immersed in this game. So, I will endeavor to be more active in this game, but realistically I am likely not going to be composing super long and detailed posts.

Regarding Hari's vacation, do we know when to expect him back? If he said, then I am somehow missing it.

Regarding No-Lynch, I don't see any benefit from it in this scenario where we have a confirmed townie. On the other hand, NL should be a no-brainer tomorrow (if we get there).

As for getting to D6, I'm a bit discouraged at the moment. I was looking forward to jimbobmacdoodle being revealed as scum and then having 2 shots at finding his buddy.

I've already spent more time at work on this post than I should have, so that's all for now. I should have some time this evening to consider the possible scum teams.