Hurt and Heal

[ObsessoMom]

Hold on, I screwed this up. Still editing. Okay, I think my bookkeeping works now.

The new rules, if you're just tuning in:

As there are a lot of them, you can heal three and hurt three per turn until we're down to 30 Presidents, and then you can heal two and hurt two per turn until we're down to 15 Presidents. At which point we continue as normal.

At this stage we've also been bolding our six changes, to make them easier to find.

[quote="SirGabriel"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 21 ++
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
Thomas Jefferson (1801–1809) - 5
James Madison (1809–1817) - 10 ++
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 7
William Henry Harrison (1841) - 6
John Tyler (1841–1845) - 5
James K. Polk (1845–1849) - 6
Zachary Taylor (1849–1850) - 7
Millard Fillmore (1850–1853) - 4
Franklin Pierce (1853–1857) - 5
James Buchanan (1857–1861) - 1
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 24 ++
Andrew Johnson (1865–1869) - 3 --
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 8
Rutherford B. Hayes (1877–1881) - 0 --
James A. Garfield (1881) - 8
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 8
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 10
Benjamin Harrison (1889–1893) - 3 --
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 7
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 7
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 7
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 8
Calvin Coolidge (1923–1929) - 7
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 5
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 7
Harry S. Truman (1945–1953) - 7
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 6
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 7
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 7
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 7

I'm a little worried about how long it's going to take for Washington and Lincoln to fight each other to the death, at the end of this.

[patzer]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 21
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
Thomas Jefferson (1801–1809) - 3 --
James Madison (1809–1817) - 10
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 7
William Henry Harrison (1841) - 6
John Tyler (1841–1845) - 5
James K. Polk (1845–1849) - 6
Zachary Taylor (1849–1850) - 7
Millard Fillmore (1850–1853) - 4
Franklin Pierce (1853–1857) - 5
James Buchanan (1857–1861) - 0 --
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 25
Andrew Johnson (1865–1869) - 1 --
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 8
James A. Garfield (1881) - 8
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 8
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 10
Benjamin Harrison (1889–1893) - 3
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 8 ++
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 7
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 7
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 8
Calvin Coolidge (1923–1929) - 7
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 5
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 8 ++
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 7
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 7 ++
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 7
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 7
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 7

I'm a little worried about how long it's going to take for Washington and Lincoln to fight each other to the death, at the end of this.[/quote]

[ObsessoMom]

[quote="patzer"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 22 ++
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
Thomas Jefferson (1801–1809) - 3
James Madison (1809–1817) - 11 ++
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 7
William Henry Harrison (1841) - 6
John Tyler (1841–1845) - 5
James K. Polk (1845–1849) - 6
Zachary Taylor (1849–1850) - 7
Millard Fillmore (1850–1853) - 2 --
Franklin Pierce (1853–1857) - 5
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 26 ++
Andrew Johnson (1865–1869) - 0 --
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 8
James A. Garfield (1881) - 8
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 8
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 10
Benjamin Harrison (1889–1893) - 1 --
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 8
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 7
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 7
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 8
Calvin Coolidge (1923–1929) - 7
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 5
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 8
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 7
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 7
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 7
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 7
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 7

[patzer]

[quote="ObsessoMom"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 22
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
Thomas Jefferson (1801–1809) - 3
James Madison (1809–1817) - 11
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 7
William Henry Harrison (1841) - 6
John Tyler (1841–1845) - 3 --
James K. Polk (1845–1849) - 6
Zachary Taylor (1849–1850) - 7
Millard Fillmore (1850–1853) - 0 --
Franklin Pierce (1853–1857) - 3 --
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 26
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 8
James A. Garfield (1881) - 8
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 8
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 10
Benjamin Harrison (1889–1893) - 2 ++
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 8
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 7
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 7
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 8
Calvin Coolidge (1923–1929) - 7
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 5
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 8
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 8 ++
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 8 ++
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 7
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 7
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 7

[ObsessoMom]

[quote="patzer"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 23 ++
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
Thomas Jefferson (1801–1809) - 3
James Madison (1809–1817) - 12 ++
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 7
William Henry Harrison (1841) - 6
John Tyler (1841–1845) - 1 --
James K. Polk (1845–1849) - 6
Zachary Taylor (1849–1850) - 7
Franklin Pierce (1853–1857) - 1 --
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 27 ++
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 8
James A. Garfield (1881) - 8
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 8
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 10
Benjamin Harrison (1889–1893) - 0 --
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 8
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 7
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 7
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 8
Calvin Coolidge (1923–1929) - 7
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 5
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 8
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 8
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 8
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 7
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 7
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 7

[SirGabriel]

As there are a lot of them, you can heal three and hurt three per turn until we're down to 30 Presidents, and then you can heal two and hurt two per turn until we're down to 15 Presidents. At which point we continue as normal.

Just pointing out that we're currently down to 31 - once we eliminate another one, the game slows down.

[quote="ObsessoMom"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 24 ++
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
Thomas Jefferson (1801–1809) - 3
James Madison (1809–1817) - 12
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 7
William Henry Harrison (1841) - 6
John Tyler (1841–1845) - 1
James K. Polk (1845–1849) - 6
Zachary Taylor (1849–1850) - 7
Franklin Pierce (1853–1857) - 1
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 28 ++
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 6 --
James A. Garfield (1881) - 6 --
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 6 --
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 11 ++
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 8
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 7
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 7
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 8
Calvin Coolidge (1923–1929) - 7
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 5
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 8
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 8
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 8
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 7
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 7
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 7

[ObsessoMom]

In that case, I'll spare some lives.

[quote="SirGabriel"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 25 ++
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
Thomas Jefferson (1801–1809) - 3
James Madison (1809–1817) - 13 ++
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 7
William Henry Harrison (1841) - 6
John Tyler (1841–1845) - 1
James K. Polk (1845–1849) - 6
Zachary Taylor (1849–1850) - 7
Franklin Pierce (1853–1857) - 1
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 29 ++
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 6
James A. Garfield (1881) - 6
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 6
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 11
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 8
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 7
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 7
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 8
Calvin Coolidge (1923–1929) - 5 --
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 5
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 8
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 8
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 8
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 7
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 5 --
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5 --

[SirGabriel]

[quote="ObsessoMom"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 26 ++
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
Thomas Jefferson (1801–1809) - 3
James Madison (1809–1817) - 13
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 7
William Henry Harrison (1841) - 6
John Tyler (1841–1845) - 1
James K. Polk (1845–1849) - 6
Zachary Taylor (1849–1850) - 7
Franklin Pierce (1853–1857) - 2 ++
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 30 ++
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 6
James A. Garfield (1881) - 6
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 6
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 11
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 8
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 5 --
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 5 --
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 6 --
Calvin Coolidge (1923–1929) - 5
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 5
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 8
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 8
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 8
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 7
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 5
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5

[patzer]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 26
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
Thomas Jefferson (1801–1809) - 3
James Madison (1809–1817) - 13
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 7
William Henry Harrison (1841) - 6
John Tyler (1841–1845) - 1
James K. Polk (1845–1849) - 4 --
Zachary Taylor (1849–1850) - 5 --
Franklin Pierce (1853–1857) - 2
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 31 ++
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 6
James A. Garfield (1881) - 6
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 6
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 11
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 8
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 5
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 5
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 6
Calvin Coolidge (1923–1929) - 3 --
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 5
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 9 ++
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 8
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 9 ++
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 7
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 5
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5

[SirGabriel]

[quote="patzer"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 27 ++
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
Thomas Jefferson (1801–1809) - 3
James Madison (1809–1817) - 13
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 7
William Henry Harrison (1841) - 6
John Tyler (1841–1845) - 2 ++
James K. Polk (1845–1849) - 4
Zachary Taylor (1849–1850) - 5
Franklin Pierce (1853–1857) - 2
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 32 ++
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 4 --
James A. Garfield (1881) - 4 --
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 4 --
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 11
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 8
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 5
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 5
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 6
Calvin Coolidge (1923–1929) - 3
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 5
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 9
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 8
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 9
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 7
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 5
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5

[Freddino18]

[quote="SirGabriel"][quote="patzer"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 27 ++
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
Thomas Jefferson (1801–1809) - 3
James Madison (1809–1817) - 13
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 7
William Henry Harrison (1841) - 6
John Tyler (1841–1845) - 0 --
James K. Polk (1845–1849) - 4
Zachary Taylor (1849–1850) - 5
Franklin Pierce (1853–1857) - 0 --
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 32++
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 4
James A. Garfield (1881) - 4
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 4
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 11
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 8
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 5
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 5
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 6
Calvin Coolidge (1923–1929) - 1 --
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 5
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 9
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 8
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 11 ++ <-- Why is this one so low?
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 7
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 5
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5

Only 3029 left, two each from now on.

[SirGabriel]

I give up, this is going to take forever now.

[Freddino18]

Actually, you could kill off quite a few presidents within the next couple of posts.

Edit: That was a bad choice of words.

[patzer]

I give up, this is going to take forever now.

true.
would anyone object if we change it so we have 3 hurt/heals per turn until we get down to 15 presidents?

[ObsessoMom]

Let's keep hurting three, but start healing only two now. Then we're only changing one rule. Whaddya say?

[quote="Freddino18"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 28 ++
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
Thomas Jefferson (1801–1809) - 3
James Madison (1809–1817) - 14 ++
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 5 --
William Henry Harrison (1841) - 4 --
James K. Polk (1845–1849) - 4
Zachary Taylor (1849–1850) - 3 --
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 32
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 4
James A. Garfield (1881) - 4
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 4
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 11
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 8
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 5
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 5
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 6
Calvin Coolidge (1923–1929) - 1
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 5
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 9
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 8
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 11
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 7
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 5
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5

[SirGabriel]

Let's keep hurting three, but start healing only two now. Then we're only changing one rule. Whaddya say?

Sounds good to me.

George Washington (1789–1797) - 28
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
Thomas Jefferson (1801–1809) - 3
James Madison (1809–1817) - 12 --
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 5
William Henry Harrison (1841) - 4
James K. Polk (1845–1849) - 4
Zachary Taylor (1849–1850) - 4 ++
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 32
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 4
James A. Garfield (1881) - 4
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 4
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 11
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 8
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 5
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 5
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 6
Calvin Coolidge (1923–1929) - 2 ++
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 5
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 9
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 8
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 9 --
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 5 --
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 5
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5

[Freddino18]

Oops, I messed up Washington, Lincoln, and Kennedy.

[quote="SirGabriel"]
George Washington (1789–1797) - 29
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
Thomas Jefferson (1801–1809) - 3
James Madison (1809–1817) - 12
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 5
William Henry Harrison (1841) - 2 --
James K. Polk (1845–1849) - 2 --
Zachary Taylor (1849–1850) - 4
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 34 ++
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 4
James A. Garfield (1881) - 4
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 4
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 11
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 8
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 5
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 5
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 6
Calvin Coolidge (1923–1929) - 0 --
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 5
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 9
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 8
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 9 ++
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 5
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 5
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5

So you are the one trying to kill off Kennedy.

[patzer]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 29
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
Thomas Jefferson (1801–1809) - 1 --
James Madison (1809–1817) - 12
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 5
William Henry Harrison (1841) - 2
James K. Polk (1845–1849) - 0 --
Zachary Taylor (1849–1850) - 2 --
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 34
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 5 ++
James A. Garfield (1881) - 4
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 4
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 11
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 8
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 5
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 5
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 6
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 5
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 9
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 8
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 10 ++
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 5
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 5
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5

[SirGabriel]

[quote="patzer"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 29
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
Thomas Jefferson (1801–1809) - 2 ++
James Madison (1809–1817) - 10 --
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 6 ++
William Henry Harrison (1841) - 2
Zachary Taylor (1849–1850) - 2
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 34
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 5
James A. Garfield (1881) - 4
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 4
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 11
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 8
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 5
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 5
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 6
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 5
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 9
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6 --
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 8 --
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 5
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 5
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5

[patzer]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 29
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
Thomas Jefferson (1801–1809) - 0 --
James Madison (1809–1817) - 10
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 6
William Henry Harrison (1841) - 0 --
Zachary Taylor (1849–1850) - 0 --
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 34
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 5
James A. Garfield (1881) - 4
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 4
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 11
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 8
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 5
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 5
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 6
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 5
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 10 ++
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 9 ++
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 5
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 5
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5

[Freddino18]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 30 ++
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
James Madison (1809–1817) - 10
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 6
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 34
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 5
James A. Garfield (1881) - 2 --
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 2 --
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 11
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 8
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 3 --
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 5
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 6
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 5
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 10
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 10 ++
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 5
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 5
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5

Now there are 24

[patzer]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 30
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
James Madison (1809–1817) - 10
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 6
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 34
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 6 ++
James A. Garfield (1881) - 2
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 2
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 9 --
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 8
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 1 --
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 5
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 6
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 3 --
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 10
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 11 ++
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 5
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 5
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5

Now there are 24[/quote]

[SirGabriel]

[quote="patzer"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 30
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
James Madison (1809–1817) - 10
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 7
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 6
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 34
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 6
James A. Garfield (1881) - 2
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 2
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 9
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 8
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 2 ++
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 5
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 4 --
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 4 ++
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 8 --
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 9 --
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 5
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 5
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5

[ObsessoMom]

[quote="SirGabriel"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 31 ++
John Adams (1797–1801) - 8
James Madison (1809–1817) - 11 ++
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 5 --
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 6
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 34
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 4 --
James A. Garfield (1881) - 2
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 2
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 9
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 6 --
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 2
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 5
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 4
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 4
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 8
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 9
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 5
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 5
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5

[SirGabriel]

[quote="ObsessoMom"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 31
John Adams (1797–1801) - 6 --
James Madison (1809–1817) - 9 --
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 6 ++
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 6
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 34
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 4
James A. Garfield (1881) - 2
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 2
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 9
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 6
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 2
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 5
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 4
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 4
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 8
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 7 --
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 6 ++
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 5
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5

[patzer]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 31
John Adams (1797–1801) - 6
James Madison (1809–1817) - 9
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 6
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 6
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 34
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 5 ++
James A. Garfield (1881) - 2
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 2
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 9
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 6
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
William H. Taft (1909–1913) - 0 --
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 5
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 4
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 2 --
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 8
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 8 ++
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 4 --
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 5
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5

[SirGabriel]

[quote="patzer"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 31
John Adams (1797–1801) - 6
James Madison (1809–1817) - 7 --
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 6
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 6
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 34
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 5
James A. Garfield (1881) - 2
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 2
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 9
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 6
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 6 ++
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 4
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 2
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 6 --
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 6 --
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 4
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 6 ++
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5

[threetwoone]

[quote="SirGabriel"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 30 --
John Adams (1797–1801) - 5 --
James Madison (1809–1817) - 7
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 6
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 6
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 35 ++
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 5
James A. Garfield (1881) - 2
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 2
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 9
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 6
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 6
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 4
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 2
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 7 ++
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 5 --
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 4
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 6
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5

[patzer]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 30
John Adams (1797–1801) - 5
James Madison (1809–1817) - 7
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 6
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 6
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 35
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 5
James A. Garfield (1881) - 2
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 2
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 7 --
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 6
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 6
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 4
Herbert Hoover (1929–1933) - 0 --
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 8 ++
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 6 ++
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 2 --
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 6
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 5

[SirGabriel]

Might as well speed up the endgame while we still have the ability to reduce them both at once.

George Washington (1789–1797) - 28 --
John Adams (1797–1801) - 5
James Madison (1809–1817) - 7
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 6
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 6
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 33 --
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 6 ++
James A. Garfield (1881) - 2
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 2
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 7
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 6
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 4 --
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 4
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 8
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 6
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 2
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 6
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 6 ++

[Freddino18]

[quote="SirGabriel"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 29 ++
John Adams (1797–1801) - 5
James Madison (1809–1817) - 7
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 6
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 6
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 33
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 6
James A. Garfield (1881) - 0 --
Chester A. Arthur (1881–1885) - 0 --
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 7
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 6
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 4
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 4
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 8
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 7 ++
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969) - 0 --
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 6
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 6

And that is three more dead, one more and we switch to two each.

[ObsessoMom]

[quote="Freddino18"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 27 --
John Adams (1797–1801) - 6 ++
James Madison (1809–1817) - 8 ++
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 6
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 6 --
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 31 --
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 6
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 7
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 6
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 4
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 4
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 8
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 7
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 6
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 6

[Freddino18]

[quote="ObsessoMom"][quote="Freddino18"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 28 ++
John Adams (1797–1801) - 6
James Madison (1809–1817) - 8
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 6
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 6
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 31
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 4 --
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 7
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 6
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 2 --
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 2 --
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 8
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 8 ++
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 6
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 6

Edit: only hurt two first time around.
Can you use two hurts on the same person?
Second edit: Eisenhower remains untouched...

[patzer]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 26 --
John Adams (1797–1801) - 6
James Madison (1809–1817) - 8
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 6
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 6
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 29 --
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 4
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 5 --
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 6
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 2
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 2
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 9 ++
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 7
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 9 ++
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 6
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 6

[SirGabriel]

[quote="patzer"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 24 --
John Adams (1797–1801) - 6
James Madison (1809–1817) - 8
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 6
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 6
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 27 --
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 4
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 6 ++
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 6
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 6
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 2
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 2
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 9
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 8 ++
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 7 --
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 6
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 6

[ObsessoMom]

If I'm interpreting the revised revised rules correctly, we can keep helping two and hurting three until we hit 15, at which point it's back to helping one (by adding one point) and hurting one (by subtracting two points).

[quote="SirGabriel"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 22 --
John Adams (1797–1801) - 6
James Madison (1809–1817) - 8
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 6
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 6
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 25 --
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 4
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 6
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 6
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 4 --
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 3 ++
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 3 ++
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 9
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 8
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 7
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 6
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 6

[SirGabriel]

[quote="ObsessoMom"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 20 --
John Adams (1797–1801) - 6
James Madison (1809–1817) - 8
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 6
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 6
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 23 --
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 4
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 6
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 6
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 4
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 4 ++
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 4 ++
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 9
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 6 --
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 7
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 6
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 6

[ObsessoMom]

[quote="SirGabriel"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 18 --
John Adams (1797–1801) - 6
James Madison (1809–1817) - 9 ++
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 6
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 4 --
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 21 --
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 4
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 6
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 6
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 4
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 5 ++
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 4
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 9
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 6
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 7
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 6
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 6

[heuristically_alone]

[quote="ObsessoMom"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 19 ++
John Adams (1797–1801) - 6
James Madison (1809–1817) - 7 --
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 6
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 2 --
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 22 ++
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 4
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 6
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 6
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 4
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 3 --
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 4
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 9
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 6
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 7
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 6
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 6

[ObsessoMom]

[quote="heuristically_alone"]

George Washington (1789–1797) - 17 --
John Adams (1797–1801) - 6
James Madison (1809–1817) - 8 ++
James Monroe (1817–1825) - 6
Martin Van Buren (1837–1841) - 3 ++
Abraham Lincoln (1861–1865) - 20 --
Ulysses S. Grant (1869–1877) - 4
Grover Cleveland (1885–1889), (1893–1897) - 6
William McKinley (1897–1901) - 6
Theodore Roosevelt (1901–1909) - 4
Woodrow Wilson (1913–1921) - 4 ++
Warren G. Harding (1921–1923) - 4
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933–1945) - 9
Harry S Truman (1945–1953) - 6
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961) - 6
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963) - 7
Gerald Ford (1974–1977) - 6
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981) - 6
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993) - 6