Mark, I like your reads, in that I feel you’re actually contemplating the content and trying to make your own interpretations and come to your own conclusions (plytho made similar observation in his reads list, and that’s why I’ve been thinking about it). This read of mpolo is a good example. mpolo is under pressure right now, in part because what you have cited, and I don’t think any of the other players would have given the same reason as you (so you weren’t coached).Mark_Cangila wrote: Mpolo isn't too willing to die now, but earlier he was ok with dying, which is very anti town to me.
[I’m torn right now between wanting to mentor a newbie a bit, and not wanting to spread wine and confuse the issue. I’ll try to ride the center line.]
Being willing to die is not necessarily anti-town. In certain situations, it can be the most pro-town thing you can do for your team. Take for example SDK in Meta Mafia (going to use SDK instead of moody in WoT3 because SDK isn’t in this game). SDK was under a lot of suspicion in that game, and he accepted his lynch on D2, one reason is because he saw that it was to town’s benefit for him to be mislynched early, when there were still mislynches available, rather than be under suspicion and mislynched later at MYLO. So SDK was facing certain death by hanging on D2, and what did he do? Posted, analyzed content, hammered on other players, made reads and town-scum list, and made sure he poured all his thoughts in to the thread before he died.
The reason that mpolo is being scum read by some players is not because he’s willing to die, it’s because it seems like he’s not willing to help town find scum if/before he goes. Townies (and mafia members) (usually) don’t personally need to survive to end game for their team to win.
I’ll stop here because now we get into “bessie’s personal views on self-preservation votes, claiming, etc” which are separate from above and not necessarily shared by anyone else in this game.
I’ve missed you too, plytho.plytho wrote: Reading through the thread I thought she was focused only on Vicarin (looking at that discussion from the outside is causing some reflection)
Fair enough, I have read through your notes (dental tools?? ).moody7277 wrote:So, there's definitely enough there to prevent a very townie read, but nowhere near enough to promote him above mpolo in terms of voting. I am still happy with him at fourth most votable.
I don’t expect you to be anyone other than Madge. You should take everyone’s high expectations of you as the compliment that it is. I mean, I’ve been warning everyone that you are a brilliant genius for years, and now they finally believe me! So no, don’t be me, be you. But please understand that I’ve got to be me too, and you and I are such polar opposites (I mean I frickin cited an ISO standard and you shot back with the vibe ) that we’re going to clash, and there’s times I’m going to find elements of your playstyle scummy, and you know how I feel about giving scummy behavior a pass for purely meta reasons.Madge wrote:and seriously guys: if you don't stop telling me that meta mafia showed i can produce good content D1 and trying to force me to play that way all the time i'm gonna scream!!!! we did go over the part where I spent probably bessie-level time on the game to get a 20%-of-bessie level result, right? Which is why I maintained it only one day? I am beginning to really regret it which is lame because I used to be super proud of all the work I put in, now the work is just an albatross around my neck, which is dumb, because it was never intended to be a permanent change. hopefully my stubborn refusals to change will eventually mean that people stop asking.
The chaos in itself is hmm, acceptable, but can we have a little pro-town behavior mixed in with it? Like a couple gut reads or something (the only seriousness I see is some mpolo stuff)?Madge wrote:Ah, okay. By way of apology I'll try to act more seriously the rest of the day.
And I really like the avatar you made for Mark! Thanks for caring, it makes browsing the thread easier for everyone.
Not done. Back in a few.