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Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Postby mpolo » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:45 pm UTC

To get that on its own line:

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Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Postby wam » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:46 pm UTC

Going to call deadline in 30 minutes

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Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Postby plytho » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:46 pm UTC

Or mpolo?

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Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Postby somitomi » Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:50 pm UTC

I've decided to switch, because the Madge wagon is built entirely on Madge being "too Madge", whereas several suspicious things have been noted about Vicarin.
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Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Postby wam » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:09 pm UTC

votals
Mpolo - 1 - moody7277
Vicarin - 5 - boomfrog, sabrar, Bessie, plytho, somitomi
Madge - 2 - mark_cangila. Vicarin,
Boomfrog - 1 - Madge
Not voting: heuristically_alone, mpolo

Not playing day 1: jimbobmacdoodle
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Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Postby wam » Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:20 pm UTC

That's the end of day 1.

Vicarin is lynched. Reveal start of day 2.

N1 will be 48 hours future nights will be 24 hours. Please get all actions in promptly.
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Re: Wams chaos game night 1

Postby wam » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:06 pm UTC

Less than 24 hours to the start of day 2. If you are going to submit a night action and haven't please get it in by deadline
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Re: Wams chaos game night 1

Postby wam » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:33 pm UTC

End of Day 1 Flavour

The action hero's gathered round and argued about who was working against the common goal. They argued back and forth until vicarin was picked at the target. He was quickly strung up and then everyone moved onto the epic party planned for that night. Someone went and checked vicarin's pockets and villa but couldn't find any clues as to his plans for the future.

Vicarin was lynched, he was charlize theron. His alignment won't be revealed.


The next day dawned and people shook off their hangovers and gathered round. It quickly became apparent that two people were missing. Checking mark's room they found supicous equipment showing he was clearly up to no good. Mpolo's room was absent any clues again, which just served to raise the suspicouns.

Mark_Cangila was killed, he was Jackie Chan and a Member of Mafia C

Mpolo was killed, his role and alignment will not be revealed

Note it is intended to have boomfrog replaced by ConMan but Conman has not yet confirmed.

It is now the start of Day 2, 9 alive 5 to lynch.

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Not Voting: Hueristically Alone, Sabrar, Moody7277, Madge, Plytho, Boomfrog (Conman), Jimbobmacdoodle, Bessie, Somitomi

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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby Sabrar » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:15 pm UTC

So we have multiple janitors and definitely multi-ball (with possibly 3 scum-teams??). Also I was wrong about Mark...
I have no night results to share.

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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby plytho » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:16 pm UTC

Well, that's chaos alright.

Things we know: one less mafia (C), two night kills.

wam wrote:It is now the start of Day 2, 9 alive 5 to lynch.
Did you mean 5 to hammer?

Two unrevealed flips. Wagon analysis is pretty useless when two of the top three wagons have no flip. We might have lost two scum N1 but I won't be counting on that.
At least we can try to look for Mark's buddy/ies.

Side note: I said I'd have more time D2 but that's excluding tomorrow and saturday :oops:
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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby wam » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:18 pm UTC

plytho wrote:
wam wrote:It is now the start of Day 2, 9 alive 5 to lynch.
Did you mean 5 to hammer?


5 to hammer
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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby Sabrar » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:41 pm UTC

Based on a quick review:

bessie has Mark as most Town
BoomFrog mentions Mark basically once but puts him in his bottom 3
heury misrepresents Mark and engages him in his limited content
Madge votes Mark but that's NAI because CHAOS
moody has insufficient data at first but puts Mark in his bottom 3 with no justification
mpolo has no opinion on Mark
somitomi has no opinion on Mark

Mark attacks mpolo, Madge, Vicarin, also somewhat BoomFrog but he specifically says that he's not scum

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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby somitomi » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:47 pm UTC

I've got nothing to claim.
Sabrar wrote:So we have multiple janitors and definitely multi-ball (with possibly 3 scum-teams??).

Isn't that a lot of mafia? Assuming none of the teams consists of a single person, that would mean at least half the players are mafia :shock:
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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby somitomi » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:49 pm UTC

Addendum: I'm going to bed now and won't be back for almost a day.
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Re: Wams chaos game night 1

Postby plytho » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:51 pm UTC

wam wrote:It is now the start of Day 2, 9 alive 5 to lynch.

Can you give us a clue about the end of D2?
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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby plytho » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:02 pm UTC

somitomi wrote:Addendum: I'm going to bed now and won't be back for almost a day.

Yeah, me too.

I'm assuming mafia C killed mpolo (the C might be a red herring btw) an odd target perhaps as he was under pressure and looked quite lynchable. Who gains by killing mpolo?
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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby Sabrar » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:04 pm UTC

plytho started out being suspicious of Mark but later had this revised and liked his content
Not sure if it's worthwhile to re-read Vicarin.

somitomi wrote:Isn't that a lot of mafia? Assuming none of the teams consists of a single person, that would mean at least half the players are mafia :shock:
Seeing as no balance was promised... But it also could be 2 teams with no Mafia A, just to screw with us.

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Re: Wams chaos game night 1

Postby Sabrar » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:08 pm UTC

wam wrote:Note it is intended to have boomfrog replaced by ConMan but Conman has not yet confirmed.
Is BoomFrog allowed to post until replacement?

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Re: Wams chaos game night 1

Postby wam » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:08 pm UTC

plytho wrote:
wam wrote:It is now the start of Day 2, 9 alive 5 to lynch.

Can you give us a clue about the end of D2?


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Re: Wams chaos game night 1

Postby Sabrar » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:08 pm UTC

wam wrote:Note it is intended to have boomfrog replaced by ConMan but Conman has not yet confirmed.
Is BoomFrog allowed to post until replacement?

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Re: Wams chaos game night 1

Postby wam » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:09 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:
wam wrote:Note it is intended to have boomfrog replaced by ConMan but Conman has not yet confirmed.
Is BoomFrog allowed to post until replacement?


no, boom is being replaced as he accidentally read a spoiler
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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby Sabrar » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:09 pm UTC

Aplogies, not impatient, just forgot to bold.

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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby plytho » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:03 pm UTC

Hi jimbob! Any thoughts?
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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:03 pm UTC

Hi all! This feels weird. I feel like I'm a replacement... Unfortunately, I'm still pretty jetlagged from my trip to the States and as such, I haven't had much of a chance to gather my thoughts properly.

Having skimmed the flips etc, here are my thoughts:
1) I doubt there are three mafia teams. It's possible, but I think it likelier there's 2.
2) I think mpolo and Vicarin were town, and town's alignment is not revealed on death. I have evidence relating partly to this in my role, that I'd prefer not to reveal at this time.
3) Mark was probably scum, although it's possible that he was a death miller. He was one of my scummier reads from D1.
4) If Mark was mafia, he did not necessarily have any team-mates.
5) Dead people might come back to life (note wam's comments regarding death), so mpolo and/or Mark and/or Vicarin may return.

Here is a rather unthought-out ordered list, based on gut reads of D1's content:
Town
plytho
somitomi
Sabrar
moody7277
heuristically_alone
bessie
Madge
BoomFrog/ConMan
Scum

I had a bad feeling about BoomFrog towards the end of the day. I'd have to review his content that was mentioned. And I could easily see scum-BoomFrog claiming scum D1 as a gambit. I agree with others that Madge provided even less useful content than normal D1-Madge. I'm pretty confident Vicarin was town, and as such, bessie's push on him is somewhat suspect.

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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby Sabrar » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:07 pm UTC

jimbobmacdoodle wrote:2) I think mpolo and Vicarin were town, and town's alignment is not revealed on death. I have evidence relating partly to this in my role, that I'd prefer not to reveal at this time.
Then why was Vicarin's role-name revealed and mpolo's not?

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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:13 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:
jimbobmacdoodle wrote:2) I think mpolo and Vicarin were town, and town's alignment is not revealed on death. I have evidence relating partly to this in my role, that I'd prefer not to reveal at this time.
Then why was Vicarin's role-name revealed and mpolo's not?
Good point. I missed that. Wild guess is that Vicarin is likely dead permanently, whereas mpolo might come back.
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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby moody7277 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:51 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:moody has insufficient data at first but puts Mark in his bottom 3 with no justification


Well, I should have made that more explicit, but it was because of the L-1 thing. Then again, you have lampshaded my voting pet peeves before :lol:.

So, more than one kill, limited flips (I've been through that before, it ain't nice), and people maybe coming back from death; CHAOS indeed. Mafia A (or B) could still be a SK with a big ego just to confuse terminology as has been pointed out.

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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby Madge » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:52 pm UTC

Mafia C?!?!?!@ It better only be one team but the C is for Chaos. It's going to be like that old prank: "release three pigs, number them 1, 2, and 4, and they'll spend hours trying to find number 3"

@Sabrar: why specifically do you specify there's no Mafia A? Is that a slip? We haven't seen Mafia B, have we?

vote: Sabrar

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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby ConMan » Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:09 pm UTC

Confirm

that I am here, but also confirm that I have not had time to properly process what's going on. Suffice to say ... things be crazy.
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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby ConMan » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:03 am UTC

One piece of info based on night results I received from wam (still haven't had time to read through everything in the thread yet):

At least one of the night kills was almost certainly redirected, and the original target was almost certainly BoomFrog (i.e. me now). Sorry not sorry to whoever tried to kill us.
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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby Sabrar » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:22 am UTC

plytho wrote:I'm assuming mafia C killed mpolo (the C might be a red herring btw) an odd target perhaps as he was under pressure and looked quite lynchable. Who gains by killing mpolo?
If we believe ConMan's claim then it's possible that C tried to kill BoomFrog and was redirected to mpolo (perhaps Busdriver switching a townie and a scummy read?) and A/B killed Mark.

Madge wrote:@Sabrar: why specifically do you specify there's no Mafia A? Is that a slip? We haven't seen Mafia B, have we?
Nope, I was guessing at mod's intention. Existence of C implies A+B, B would imply A, A would imply B but to a slightly lesser degree. Removing A causes maximum chaos.

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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby bessie » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:01 am UTC

I read through the two pages of content that were posted after my final post on D1 but I did not write up any responses. I will try to reread more thoroughly tomorrow, and if anyone wants me to respond to anything in particular just point it out.

I have no night results I wish to share.

Some thoughts re today’s content. Quick read through, I’m super tired.

Two night kills implies at least two killing factions.

plytho wrote:Things we know: one less mafia (C), two night kills.
Why do you think Mafia C has been eliminated?

somitomi wrote:Isn't that a lot of mafia? Assuming none of the teams consists of a single person, that would mean at least half the players are mafia :shock:
Why do you assume that no mafia teams started with one person?

plytho wrote:I'm assuming mafia C killed mpolo (the C might be a red herring btw) an odd target perhaps as he was under pressure and looked quite lynchable. Who gains by killing mpolo?
Why Mafia C, why not Mafia A/B? Or do you have a reason for suspecting Mark for wanting to kill mpolo?

Sabrar wrote:Seeing as no balance was promised... But it also could be 2 teams with no Mafia A, just to screw with us.
+1 QFT etc.

jimbobmacdoodle wrote:5) Dead people might come back to life (note wam's comments regarding death), so mpolo and/or Mark and/or Vicarin may return.
Meta game read: I know moody hates when I game the game, but I think Vicarin has been too active in Gojoe to be on standby.

jimbobmacdoodle wrote:I'm pretty confident Vicarin was town, and as such, bessie's push on him is somewhat suspect.
Interesting. Do you have a town read of Vicarin from his content or is this purely related to your role pm? If Vicarin was town, why does Vicarin being town make my push on him somewhat suspect? For that matter, why would Vicarin’s alignment make my push on him somewhat suspect at all?

Madge wrote:Mafia C?!?!?!@ It better only be one team but the C is for Chaos. It's going to be like that old prank: "release three pigs, number them 1, 2, and 4, and they'll spend hours trying to find number 3"
Ok. So, how about the two night kills?

Madge wrote:@Sabrar: why specifically do you specify there's no Mafia A? Is that a slip? We haven't seen Mafia B, have we?
You’re voting for him because of this? Pre post edit, OK, I guess the selection of A was deliberate and I thought it was just illustrative.

Thank you ConMan for replacing.

I should have more time tomorrow night.

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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby plytho » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:18 am UTC

Hmm, BoomFrog makes more sense as a target than mpolo.
bessie wrote:Why do you think Mafia C has been eliminated?
I don't. We know that one member of a mafia (specifically mafia C) has been killed.
bessie wrote:Why Mafia C, why not Mafia A/B? Or do you have a reason for suspecting Mark for wanting to kill mpolo?
mafia=night kill, I don't assume mafia C killed one of their own, so I assume they performed the other kill.
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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby Sabrar » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:23 am UTC

@heury: I would be interested in your reply to this (along of course any additional thought you have).

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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby plytho » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:24 am UTC

Jimbob's zombie theory is interesting. I thought wam was warning people not to trust the votals.

Conman's claim is pretty interesting as well. The plausibility of the BoomFrog kill over the mpolo kill makes me sort of believe him.
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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby Madge » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:32 am UTC

bessie wrote:
Madge wrote:Mafia C?!?!?!@ It better only be one team but the C is for Chaos. It's going to be like that old prank: "release three pigs, number them 1, 2, and 4, and they'll spend hours trying to find number 3"
Ok. So, how about the two night kills?


"it better be only one team" was wishful thinking. my current hypothesis is we have two teams, Mafia C and Mafia 2, but a standard A/B/C I have no reason to disbelieve.

bessie wrote:You’re voting for him because of this?

You don't get to tell me how to vote. I think you and Sabrar might have the same alignment, though. Don't ask me why - just the vibe of the thing. (I am so glad you ended up watching The Castle so you can understand that the shitty lawyer is basically me at Mafia and you are like the QC who is inspired by the shitty lawyer's earnestness and comes and bails him out)
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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby Sabrar » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:36 am UTC

Madge wrote:I think you and Sabrar might have the same alignment, though.
That means we're both town, lol. The universe would never allow me and bessie having in-game chat. :lol:

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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby Madge » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:40 am UTC

Oh me yarm can you imagine
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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:45 am UTC

bessie wrote:Two night kills implies at least two killing factions.
This is my working theory too, but it is possible we have only one scum team with multiple kills. Just bringing this up so that we don't all tunnel on the one idea.
bessie wrote:
jimbobmacdoodle wrote:5) Dead people might come back to life (note wam's comments regarding death), so mpolo and/or Mark and/or Vicarin may return.
Meta game read: I know moody hates when I game the game, but I think Vicarin has been too active in Gojoe to be on standby.
My role PM also implies that Vicarin is more likely permanently dead. It's not guaranteed though.
bessie wrote:
jimbobmacdoodle wrote:I'm pretty confident Vicarin was town, and as such, bessie's push on him is somewhat suspect.
Interesting. Do you have a town read of Vicarin from his content or is this purely related to your role pm? If Vicarin was town, why does Vicarin being town make my push on him somewhat suspect? For that matter, why would Vicarin’s alignment make my push on him somewhat suspect at all?
I didn't feel strongly either way about Vicarin when loosely following the thread D1. My belief is largely driven by my PM info. Him being town does give greater weight towards people pushing him being scum, because scum are generally more likely to push town off a cliff than other town, although it obviously doesn't guarantee it. Related aside: I need to look back at the others pushing Vicarin. However, your push was what stood out in my mind the most. This is a weak point, I acknowledge, hence your position as third likeliest currently.

Madge's voting pattern feels weird. I suspect she might not entirely have control of her vote. Did Madge have a vote down for the entirety of D1? If she's not forced into voting this way, I don't understand her vote on Sabrar, and in particular why she still has it down now that he's explained the "slip" she's voting him for.

@Madge: why are you voting Sabrar? In particular, if you think bessie and Sabrar are buddies, why are you voting him and not bessie?
plytho wrote:Conman's claim is pretty interesting as well. The plausibility of the BoomFrog kill over the mpolo kill makes me sort of believe him.
I agree with this. However, I don't think it necessarily means much about either player's actual alignment. It could also easily be a scum bus driver deliberately trying to mess with town night actions, and just accidentally redirected the other team's kill. Or a regular redirector (town or scum) targeted the killer and redirected to mpolo etc.
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Re: Wams chaos game day 2

Postby Sabrar » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:12 am UTC

I don't think bessie was ever scum with a newbie on her team. She is openly coaching Mark which is what town!bessie would do. And that's the exact same thing scum!bessie would probably do as well.
However I think that the very brief reasoning she gave for town-reading Mark here is more indicative of them not being partners, scum!bessie would probably give more details. Not 100% sure though.


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