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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Angua » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:57 pm UTC

Thing I hate about tv shows:

When we are supposed to root for the cops/investigators/vigilantes when they go and demand confidential information without a warrant and get annoyed that the person they're trying to intimidate says no.

There's a lot of problematic behaviour in all cop shows in general tbh.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Grop » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:51 pm UTC

In general cop shows tell you that cops are awesome people who never do anything wrong. Are you white and did you like omit to pay your taxes? Your cop friends will help you fix that.

You most probably know the Police misbehavior thread already. Most fiction (especially American fiction) is propaganda telling you that police is awesome and whatever difficulties they meet is evil and should be destroyed using good white brute force.

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby cephalopod9 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:05 am UTC

Cop shows are also absolutely terrible about officers pointing guns at people who aren't a threat. It's easy to watch, and I imagine write, without thinking about much, but threatening deadly force on a dude accused of blackmail, while he's fleeing is a terrible message.

Soupspoon wrote:(I had to check. I've only seen one post-300 film with him in, and that was the 300 sequel. Though I've seen four (maybe five) of his pre-300 films, it seems. Without previously linking any of them to any of the others.)
When I type his name into the IMDB search it suggests "Actor, Phantom of the Opera (2004)" I don't even know how to describe that.
I don't think I've watched any of the Gerard Butler movies since 300, give or take How to Train Your Dragon either, just the trailers and bits of stuff that's on t.v.
... is Olympus has Fallen set in the nineties? I'm having a weird time trying to find that out.

"What year does this story take place?" seems like a really obvious question, but unless there's a specific reason or particular event referenced it can pretty much go unstated.

I started watching The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina and it just now occurred to me that Riverdale is set in the past?
I like most of what Sabrina has going on, spooky atmospheric stuff, feminist leanings, maybe a little confused but mostly progressive so far, a little too eager to have teenage character in her underwear, and everything about Riverdale confuses me greatly.

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Soupspoon » Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:20 am UTC

Had to look that up, obviously well off the cultural catchment. I knew of a Sabrina being The Teenage Witch (also a barge of that name, named after the River Severn) and have seen Archie-stuff in the past. Riverdale sounded a bit 'Sunnydale' to me, though… and so it turns out? With this StTW being Buffyesque? Maybe with some Charmed-edness in there, while I'm adding in the early-'90s references? (Prior to that, it was Bewitched/I Dream Of Jeanie, I suppose.)


Here's my arising fleeting thought, though: I'm unlikely to ever see that. There's just way too much TV out there, and I've not yet found the time to investigate Netflix as a personal source (perhaps piggy-backed on someone else's subscription, by being where it was sourced, but I'm still nowhere near up-to-date with things, that way). I'm not even totally level with broadcast-terrestrial telly of my liking.

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby cephalopod9 » Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:22 am UTC

So I double checked with TVtropes, and I guess the ... Archie verse? shows are set in a non-specific retro pastiche but also there's cellphones and facebook. Archie comics started in 1941, and Sabrina the Teenage Witch was published in the early sixties. It is real weird what things stick around as cultural reference points.

Soupspoon wrote:Had to look that up, obviously well off the cultural catchment. I knew of a Sabrina being The Teenage Witch (also a barge of that name, named after the River Severn) and have seen Archie-stuff in the past. Riverdale sounded a bit 'Sunnydale' to me, though…
I'm pretty sure there's no connection between Sabrina and Buffy, although the shows were on the air at the same time and I think it wasn't until the tv show in the 90's that the setting got a name.
This new Sabrina series is pretty grimdark, there's overt Pact with the Devil type stuff. I'm only two episodes in, and there's a lot of pretty heavy topics in play, and a lot that could be handled well or could end up intentionally or unintentionally subverted in bad ways.

I'm 3 episodes into the new She-Ra series, and it's pretty solid. it's got sort of a Ghibli meets Don Bluth simplified style and reminds me a bit of Avatar: The Last Airbender, there's world building and magic rules, and they're upfront about 'people have died in this war' but also there's the 'jumping out of a vehicle last second before it explodes' convention.
From what I can tell, there's not that much in common with the original series except character names and some traits. It does feel a little like it was made with merchandising in mind, and I'm curious if Netflix had that in mind, or if that's just carried over from the existing property, or if I just kind of want She Ra hightops

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby EdgarJPublius » Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:27 am UTC

I have been watching the latest season of Netflix's Mystery Science Theater 3000, and I have some thoughts concerning the infamous 'Mac and Me'.
I'll try not to cover anything that was riffed on already.

  • Go with me on this journey: Naturally occurring carbonated water is totally a thing, and it can contain all kinds of minerals and stuff, if there was some kind of bacteria or perhaps an algae growing in the source of this naturally carbonated water, they might produce sugars and other chemicals that would flavor the carbonated spring water. It's technically possible this could have substantial nutritional content. Also, dissolved minerals in water gives us all kinds of interesting formations, including natural 'soda straws', while earthly cave straws are extremely fragile, there are other chemical reactions that could maybe create more durable straw-like formations. All that said, this is possibly the stupidest contrivance ever adapted to film and I hate it so much more for causing me to think these thoughts. People joke all the time about bad movie science making them stupider, I fear in this case it may be literally true. On second though, maybe don't go with me on this journey.
  • Why doesn't the probe have any cameras?
  • Is the probe equipped with a vacuum, or is this actually some kind of Ghostbusters situation?
  • The scene where the probe is opened doesn't actually make this any more clear.
  • I was going to give the scientists at least a little bit of credit for apparently having multiple layers of containment, when one of them mentioned something about falling back to the second perimeter or somesuch, but it turns out he was just having a stroke or something as we clearly see there's like two whole doors between the room the probe is in and an idyllic american suburb.
  • The movie seems to just kind of forget about the larger aliens whenever they're not actually on screen, are they not getting up to any hijinks on their own? Is the government really only interested in finding the smaller one?
  • Ok, but seriously, how did the kid know the vacuum thing would work?
  • At the end, What possible series of intervening events leads to them becoming U.S. citizens and apparently assimilating almost completely into middle american suburban life? NASA is evidently capable of getting probes to their home planet, and they seem to pack easily for convenient travel, did it never occur to anyone to maybe let them go back home?

And a bonus thought for 'The Day that Time Stopped'
  • That alien thingy sure does seem to take a long time to burn through a normal wooden door, that doesn't really seem very impressive or threatening to me. I'm sure getting hit by that would hurt a lot and cause some serious burns, but I don't think it would be enough to stop a determined attacker.

    Also, how did no one realize this movie made absolutely no sense at any point while they were making it? And not even in that kind of coherent 'the creators were clearly trying to say something but it just didn't quite come across' way that the end of 'The Prisoner' doesn't make any sense, or the classic bad movie problem of 'this movie was edited in about fifteen minutes and all the bits that are need for it to make sense were either too expensive to shoot, accidentally caught fire, or were otherwise left on the cutting room floor for some reason' either. And it wasn't even spliced together from leftover footage of unrelated productions. The whole movie just seems to completely lack any kind of logical structure or point.
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Postby commodorejohn » Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:32 am UTC

EdgarJPublius wrote:Also, how did no one realize this movie made absolutely no sense at any point while they were making it? And not even in that kind of coherent 'the creators were clearly trying to say something but it just didn't quite come across' way that the end of 'The Prisoner' doesn't make any sense, or the classic bad movie problem of 'this movie was edited in about fifteen minutes and all the bits that are need for it to make sense were either too expensive to shoot, accidentally caught fire, or were otherwise left on the cutting room floor for some reason' either. And it wasn't even spliced together from leftover footage of unrelated productions. The whole movie just seems to completely lack any kind of logical structure or point.

It's a Charles Band film - an early Charles Band film, at that. The only reason they exist is to scrape a few more dollars out of the bottom of the barrel in the "stop-motion puppets run amok in the less expensive/interesting parts of suburban Los Angeles" sub-sub-subgenre. Plot isn't even optional so much as just something that may possibly occur incidentally due to a confluence of other factors. We're talking about a guy whose creative high point is the first couple films in the Puppet Master franchise.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby cephalopod9 » Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:38 am UTC

commodorejohn wrote:It's a Charles Band film - an early Charles Band film, at that. The only reason they exist is to scrape a few more dollars out of the bottom of the barrel in the "stop-motion puppets run amok in the less expensive/interesting parts of suburban Los Angeles" sub-sub-subgenre.[/i] franchise.
they're stop motion? Have I seen almost only stills of this famously not good movie??

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Postby commodorejohn » Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:16 pm UTC

No, we were talking about The Day Time Ended, which was another film featured on the MST3K revival. Mac & Me is its own entirely different brand of Hell.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Grop » Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:19 pm UTC

cephalopod9 wrote:I'm 3 episodes into the new She-Ra series, and it's pretty solid. it's got sort of a Ghibli meets Don Bluth simplified style and reminds me a bit of Avatar: The Last Airbender, there's world building and magic rules, and they're upfront about 'people have died in this war' but also there's the 'jumping out of a vehicle last second before it explodes' convention.
From what I can tell, there's not that much in common with the original series except character names and some traits. It does feel a little like it was made with merchandising in mind, and I'm curious if Netflix had that in mind, or if that's just carried over from the existing property, or if I just kind of want She Ra hightops


One of the explicit influences is Moebius (This one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Giraud) and it really shows in some of the backgrounds, that look like he drew them.

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Zohar » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:13 pm UTC

I saw Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse on the weekend. While it could use a more straightforward title, it's certainly descriptive. This movie was great! I felt like they were fairly true to Miles Morales, characters and story were good, relationships were written well, but it really shines in its directing and animation. At first I thought it looked a bit clunky, and I think it does, but it's on purpose. This movie marries the medium of comics and films in a way I've never seen before, and that I ended up really enjoying. I was reminded of Scott Pilgrim, but where in that movie most of the comic book gags were more for laughs, I felt, in this one it's just part of what the experience of the world is. I highly recommend it.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Soupspoon » Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:50 pm UTC

Just passed a guy in a park blowing bubbles. Well, using the dunked-rope trick to envelop a lot of air, like they do. And every now and then blowing smaller smoke (vape?) bubbles into them, for various effects ranging from several 'small' (football-sized!) bubbles sitting in the bottom of the big clear one until it pops through to them bursting first to make the huge one opaque.

"Reminds me of The Prisoner", I told him as I was passing, dodging his membranous marvels. He queried this. I gave a potted synopsis ('village-prison of spies, if you try to escape you get caught by a big white bubble and brought back, cult late '60s thing', or thereabouts - didn't have time to mention the late '00s remake) and he said he'd "have to look for that".

Either I've found someone whose chosen diversion is so often likened to The Prisoner that he has perfected a deadpan feigned-ignorance for his own amusement/shunning-of-a-hated-frequent-comparison or this person (mid to late 20s, perhaps early 30s, a bit grungy in apparel, in a studenty way, certainly looked no stranger to that kind of sofa-cultural stuff (2nd/3rd time around, maybe!) when not successfully blowing bubbles in a park in-between spates of light drizzle on a Saturday afternoon) is making me feel old. -Er.

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Grop » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:27 pm UTC

This may be due to me being French, but around me a lot of people in their late thirties wouldn't know what The Prisoner is. (I did watch a few episodes myself).

Unlike films, tv shows don't age well.

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Postby Soupspoon » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:48 pm UTC

Definitely very Britocentric, but it's not (I thought) an unknown thing around these parts. I imagined it to be iconic enough to not need to explain. Or at least, having started to explain, get an "oh… that!" recognition.

Still a chance that he was fed up with the countless references (ditto weather-balloon handlers).

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby flicky1991 » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:51 pm UTC

I'm British and my only knowledge of The Prisoner comes from occasional references to it on The Simpsons.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby commodorejohn » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:53 pm UTC

Grop wrote:Unlike films, tv shows don't age well.

I disagree - it's still a fine show.

But yes, it is less commonly-known outside the UK, even more so now that it's been off the air for over fifty years (though the immensely-quotable opening exchange seems to have spread more pervasively than the show itself...)
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Grop » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:53 pm UTC

I misused "age" in this case. I don't mean that The Prisoner is especially bad to watch today (and I can see myself downloading it or borrowing the dvds). I mean that it's easier to convince someone who wasn't born then, to watch old films than old tv series. Therefore I predict that tv series will go forgotten faster than films.

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Ah, fair enough.
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Postby Zohar » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:05 pm UTC

I know of it and have seen a few episodes, but I think that's pretty unusual.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby cephalopod9 » Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:31 am UTC

Grop wrote:I misused "age" in this case. I don't mean that The Prisoner is especially bad to watch today (and I can see myself downloading it or borrowing the dvds). I mean that it's easier to convince someone who wasn't born then, to watch old films than old tv series. Therefore I predict that tv series will go forgotten faster than films.

There's also a bigger chunk of television that wasn't preserved. Before home video was common, there were more than a few instances where hours of recorded t.v. were less valuable than the tape they were stored on. A t.v. series is also a much bigger time investment than an individual movie.

flicky1991 wrote:I'm British and my only knowledge of The Prisoner comes from occasional references to it on The Simpsons.
There was also a Pinky and the Brain parody that I didn't understand and don't really remember.
Does anyone know a place to watch online?

I'm mad that everything wants to shove ads in my eyes, but no one is doing a good job of letting me know where and how to watch things I actually want to watch.

I'm also mad Bad Times at the El Royale has a 75% on Rotten Tomatoes. It's a really good movie. It is a specific kind of thing, and the marketing didn't do it many favors. Maybe not enough people saw it and people who like easier movies think it's trying to make them feel dumb, and people who use words like "somnolent" have unlearned how to have fun. Even the good reviews are making me mad. "it's like Tarantino" yes, in a lot of ways it's the next evolution of Pulp Fiction, but it's also much more than that. The camera work is really good.

I feel like it goes kind of underappreciated how much visual narrative is evolving.

I also really want more people to watch and talk about Channel Zero.

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

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cephalopod9 wrote:I'm mad that everything wants to shove ads in my eyes, but no one is doing a good job of letting me know where and how to watch things I actually want to watch.

Surely Pinky and the Brain has a DVD (or VHS) release somewhere on ebay/amazon. You might even catch a rerun on a cartoon channel next year.
But on-demand viewing (who would even license the series? netflix? adult swim? does cartoon network have a subscription model?) is probably out of the question. Except if you count torrents as on-demand, because there are 22 computers happy to send you Pinky and the Brain S1 - S4 right now.

From the synopsis, it seems BTatER is a "next evolution" of From Dusk till Dawn more than pulp fiction. Does it have any zombies? I'll probably watch it some time in the future.

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Postby Soupspoon » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:43 pm UTC

Flumble wrote:Except if you count torrents as on-demand, because there are 22 computers happy to send you Pinky and the Brain S1 - S4 right now.
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Soupspoon wrote:
Flumble wrote:Except if you count torrents as on-demand, because there are 22 computers happy to send you Pinky and the Brain S1 - S4 right now.
…the same as they do every day. Trying to share with the world!

I mean some people have legal/ethical problems with torrents so they'd file them under "not an option" instead of "on-demand".
You can also look for a Pinky and the Brain fan on youtube, find out where they live, break in and take their discs, but most people consider that "not an option" rather than "takes a lot of effort, might get you fined/jailed and makes a fan sad, but you can watch the series whenever* you like" or "on-demand" for short. :roll:


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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby cephalopod9 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:43 pm UTC

I meant "where to watch?" to refer to The Prisoner, but I rearranged my post too many times.

Talkin' Toons has mentioned a deal for new episodes of Pinky and the Brain with Netflix a couple of times.

Flumble wrote:From the synopsis, it seems BTatER is a "next evolution" of From Dusk till Dawn more than pulp fiction. Does it have any zombies? I'll probably watch it some time in the future.

I definitely recommend knowing as little as possible. There's a lot of violence, and really good music. Like Pulp Fiction
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a bunch of it is out of chronological order
unlike Pulp Fiction, I feel like that does something to serve the story telling. Also like how,
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but more so.

Dusk 'til Dawn for me, mostly stands out because it was made during the worst time for creature effects in movie history. There was a t.v. series started in 2014, and it's, i'm pretty sure, much lower budget and the actors aren't as good, but there's just so many ways the technology of film making got better in the 20 years between them.

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Grop » Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:13 pm UTC

I suspect the bad effects contributed to the fun in watching From Dusk till Dawn.

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Postby somitomi » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:59 pm UTC

I love how the inevitable automatic sliding door 30001 can become completely unopenable due to a computer error or malicious code. Surely they wouldn't have a big red knob or lever near them marked "emergency open" to disengage the door mechanism for manual opening. What do you mean it's mandatory on most public transport vehicles and in buildings today?
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Postby Soupspoon » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:55 pm UTC

Not just unopenable, but also occasionally over-eager to close. (Warning: Bad case of 'portalooing'!)

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Postby somitomi » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:20 pm UTC

I'm watching Behind the Curve but at 16 minutes I discovered the movie should be about a belief that poses actual, tangible danger. One guy just read from a book while driving and at this point I can't give a toss about the other nonsense he believes. The belief that multitasking while driving is even remotely okay is the one we must eradicate from the face of this Earth.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Grop » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:11 am UTC

Quite often in films or tv series, when two characters talk while one is driving, the driver looks at his passenger instead of watching the road (and very often the audience doesn't get to see the road either). This generally distracts me much from what they are saying.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Soupspoon » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:34 am UTC

It happens in factual "piece-to-camera whilst driving" things as well. Not just Top Gear style but also "the school run is getting worse these days, as I'm finding out today".

Some of it may be for the same reason (they're in a trailered/tow-barred vehicle and there's somebody else in control so there's honestly no reason for them not to use their attention in the most camera-friendly way) but often it's clearly not, and ok we probably don't get to see the takes that were "haaaang on a mo, just got to keep an eye on this oncoming vehicle who's almost over the centreline" and had to be redone (from script or extemporised) for the finished piece, and then they may have a "rolling roadblock" of support vehicles in various close or far contact giving the presenter/actor knowledge of the road being clear of 'civvies' and just needs driving without that worry.

But often it isn't anything more than a broadcast-quality go-pro gaffered to the inside of the passenger-side door-jam, and it does give a bad impression to be paying >>50% of your overt attention to that direction, I agree.

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Postby SecondTalon » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:21 pm UTC

Generally speaking, an actor cannot act while also driving a vehicle. From laws citing it as a distraction to the actor not having the commercial driving license needed, to the not exactly law against it but might as well be fact of insurance not covering it, you end up with tow solutions or rigs like this one being used.

That's generally, though. Lots of.. shall we say low budget works that maybe don't get all the filming permits they technically need to legally do it all will sometimes have the actor really drive.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby EdgarJPublius » Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:41 am UTC

Is there some kind of list of Netflix original series that don't over-use cheap cliffhangers or abandon story-arcs rather than actually bother to resolve them?

I've really enjoyed a few of Netflix's original shows but I end up bailing on most of them due to combinations of the above issues.

And what's the deal with that gross CG animation style? I mean, it doesn't always look awful, and I can mostly deal with it for stuff that's otherwise good. But come on, it usually looks awful, like someone did the bare minimum amount of modeling and animation, then threw a bunch of lighting effects and shaders over everything to try and make up for it.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Zohar » Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:40 pm UTC

Which stuff are you talking about? I enjoyed Voltron, and that ended so you can just binge through its entirety. Russian Doll is excellent and doesn't end in a cliffhanger. I've only seen season 1 of Jessica Jones but it was good and not cliff-hangery. Sex Education was great. I saw a bunch of other good ones (Dragon Prince and She-Ra, both of which don't have great animation) but they haven't ended yet.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby EdgarJPublius » Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:54 pm UTC

The first Netflix show I had this problem with was Knights of Sidonia, which frequently uses cheap cliffhangers at the end of episodes that are immediately resolved at the beginning of the next episode. And it flagrantly abandons or obviates story arcs.
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The worst offender to my mind is the rivalry between Nagate and Kunato which seems like it might resolve at the end of the first season but doesn't, then at the very beginning of the second season Kunato is taken over by the brain parasite thing, obviating that whole arc. And the brain parasite thing never goes anywhere and no one seems to notice. This is the most egregious example, but hardly the only one.


I tried to get into Dragon Prince, but it definitely over-uses cheap cliffhangers at the end of episodes. I didn't get far enough in to see if it flagrantly abandoned story arcs, but it also seems to over-rely on the characters not being able to effectively communicate with each other for dramatic effect, which may actually be my least favorite trope of all time.

Haven't tried She-Ra or Voltron, they at least don't use the ugly CG animation.

I've had much better luck with Netflix's live action stuff, though it's definitely not completely immune to these problems (well, I guess it is immune tot he ugly animation one).

I don't remember why I stopped watching the Marvel stuff on Netflix, just got tired with trying to keep up with it all I think.

It's just frustrating because the Netflix shows that don't suffer from these problems tend to be really good, but I usually gotta get several episodes in before the problems become apparent and then I feel like I just wasted a bunch of time on a show that seemed promising but ended up not being very enjoyable.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Grop » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:03 pm UTC

Knights of Sidonia is a manga adaptation, so Netflix wouldn't be responsible for the writing. And they didn't produce the series either, only bought the rights outside of Japan.

Many (not all) of the Japanese animation series that they present as "Netflix original content" should in fact read as "never published before in your country".

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Zohar » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:58 pm UTC

Oh, I misunderstood your concern. I thought you were bothered by not being able to know what's next, which is why I didn't think Voltron for example would be an issue - because the show's over. There are definitely cliffhangers in that show, but there are also a lot of standalone episodes. I think it's just a staple of shows that have a serial story and aimed at a younger audience.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby EdgarJPublius » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:10 pm UTC

I mean, there's a difference between having the occasional cliffhanger episode, or using cliffhangers to set-up the next arc or even just the plot of the next episode, versus using cliffhangers to end like every other episode, and especially if those cliffhangers are 'cheap' by which I mean mainly dramatic tensions created by hiding things from the audience that would be plainly visible or obvious to the characters (and which are revealed or explained to the audience at the beginning of the next episode, thus 'resolving' the cliffhanger) or are otherwise quickly resolved without actually having an impact on the plot.

And, even cheap cliffhangers can be fine if used purposefully and sparingly.

Maybe I've just been spoiled by stuff like Avatar and Full Metal Alchemist into expecting even animation aimed at a younger audience to hew to a higher standard.
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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Grop » Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:41 pm UTC

Among things available on Netflix I tend to think of their productions as not as good as the rest of the stuff they offer. However I thought Hilda and Devilman Crybaby were good.

Now different people have different tastes, and I managed to dislike Avatar.

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Re: Fleeting Thoughts: Movie and TV Shows

Postby Angua » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:56 pm UTC

So, I'm sure there's a Supernatural thread around here somewhere, but this gripe applies to a lot of similar shows. They always talk about how regular people not in the know are at more risk because they'll end up dying or whatever trying to fight x monsters. However, this completely disregards all the people who are dying now because they don't know about the danger.

Eg in Supernatural, no one would be possessed if they all had those tattoos, which would probably be mandatory from birth? Everyone would have silver on them.
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