Yeah, I think I got misunderstood there, that was my point with the Sakyong, that he does the kind of training you need to do as a long distance runner, he doesn't ignore his other physical responsibilities simply because he is a meditator.
And no, the learning to breathe thing isn't bunk; basically what I'm going to say here is, if you're going to say this stuff doesn't
work, then you're going to have to provide an explanation as to why
, because we accept the kinds of notions meditation is based off of in other aspects of life as true without really needing to "study" it, simply because we understand that's how the brain works. There's nothing really spiritual about the practice of meditation itself - I think there's a lot more to it than the basic physical upkeep one ought to do for oneself, but I'm talking about it here for that reason only, there's no reason to make this a thread about Buddhism. Because frankly, Buddhists aren't the only people who meditate; I'm just speaking from that perspective because I am. In fact, the Buddha character isn't the first or last person to suggest this practice or something like it in the history of human spirituality. Christ was a Buddha figure - if you look at the salient/sane parts of the bible where Christ speaks, he's basically the same guy, just in a different place at a different time.
Sidebar: I don't believe Christ or Buddha were actually ever real, just because the written record is so insanely inaccurate back that far, but Buddha nature is something real that I think more people should recognise. It's not "spiritual mumbo jumbo," and too many atheists (a group to which I belong) suffer from the idea that, if a spiritual leader said it, it's probably wrong, without actually investigating it in full. Those are the people who I believe give atheists a bad name, so I'll ask politely: Please don't declare something a lie until you've figured out why it is, or else you're throwing away all the work humankind has ever done to better ourselves inwardly.
Now, on the subject of Buddha nature, basically all that means is having your mind work at its best, unfettered by unimportant or detrimental thought processes, with clarity and consciousness. None of us do that, and that's actually one of the factors here - complacence doesn't help you become any better than you are, and there's always room to improve yourself. So stop trying to shoot it down and try to think of ways it can help you, instead.
Back to meditating.
recurve boy wrote:
Dextrose wrote:No, they're not. You're simply wrong here. If you think that, you clearly don't understand what, exactly, meditation entails.
Nope. Blacksails is pretty much right. He can indeed get the same benefits of traditional meditation by lying down and listening to music. If this is what does it for him.
I'm...really not sure how to respond to that. If I rearrange those sentences, you've basically said, "If Blacksails is right, Blacksails is right." Saying something like "meditation does the same thing as laying down and listening to music" is in clear denial of everything that we know about how the brain learns and how to practice anything. I could say, "Sitting on a piano bench does the same thing for you as practicing your scales for twenty minutes," and it'd be just as bullshit in exactly the same way. The purpose of meditation is not to relax the mind, it is to engage the mind; listening to music is actually working toward the opposite
And honestly, I don't understand how you can say "what you need to do is be aware of what puts you off your game" without also acknowledging the converse, that you need to be aware of what puts you on
your game and how to keep yourself there. That's why you meditate. I'm not saying your ideas are bad, they're not, but you're throwing meditation out the window for...really no reason at all. Sitting down to really centre yourself (and believe me when I say that you won't be 100% on even after a few hours of this if you choose to, the mind has, well, too much of a mind of its own) and being aware of that feeling when you're done meditating is what will help bring the same feeling into your daily life. There's no study you need to prove this, unless you seriously
never listened to any of your teachers through the end of high school. That's just the way shit works, meditators are just applying a practice technique human beings have been using since we weren't even human beings yet to the idea of being aware, calm, rational, happy and healthy. There's really not that much to understand here, just as long as you accept a few basic things about yourself and work with them accordingly.
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