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How do you pronounce it?

Postby parsonsb » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:24 am UTC

do you say java-c (java see) or ja-vac(ja vak)

i personally say it like the latter

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Postby EvanED » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:57 am UTC

I say "java-c".

Here's one... "char" as "char", as in "charred wood after a fire", "car", or "care"?

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Postby SpitValve » Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:07 am UTC

I call them char as in char.

Then there's gif - hard g or soft g?

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Postby cmacis » Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:16 am UTC

When friends discovered it I thought they were talking about gifts. Very weird.

How about c++? Never taken a programming class so I'm stumped on that one. Also brainf*** in a censored form :D
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Postby EvanED » Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:22 am UTC

Definitely soft G. ;-)

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Postby SpitValve » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:48 am UTC

cmacis wrote:How about c++? Never taken a programming class so I'm stumped on that one.


"see plus plus"

Just how it's spelt :)

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Postby evilbeanfiend » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:28 am UTC

c# pronounced 'dee flat'

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Postby Captain_Thunder » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:00 am UTC

I read it as "javak". I hope I never have to say it out loud.

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Postby smocc » Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:14 pm UTC

According to the creator of the GIF format, Steve Wilhite, "GIF" is pronounced like the peanut butter brand, Jif, with a soft "g". To fellow employees of CompuServe he would often say "Choosy developers choose GIF", spoofing commercials for the peanut butter.
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char is pronounced "car" and "java-c" is pronounced "java see".

Seriously, javak? :)
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Postby Gelsamel » Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:45 pm UTC

'Char' pronounced 'car' is ambiguous I believe. Although you might be referring to a different 'char' then I am, since I'm no programmer :P.
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Postby Andrew » Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:11 pm UTC

Mentally, I pronounce "char" like the word "char", but never say it in any case and would probably say "character" if I did. GIF is said with a hard G (like "gift") in my world, to distinguish it from lemon juice (and so the phrase "beware of geeks bearing gifs" is a better pun). I don't see any sense in pronouncing that one any other way. The name "C" is pronounced "see" regardless of what other words or vowels might be nearby. Everyone else is crazy.

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Postby evilbeanfiend » Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:15 pm UTC

Gelsamel wrote:'Char' pronounced 'car' is ambiguous I believe. Although you might be referring to a different 'char' then I am, since I'm no programmer :P.


of course the other programming car is pronounced 'first'

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Postby Gelsamel » Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:46 pm UTC

<--- Not a programmer. :-(
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Postby demon » Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:32 pm UTC

According to the creator of the GIF format, Steve Wilhite, "GIF" is pronounced like the peanut butter brand, Jif, with a soft "g".
wiki says so, but i don't comply. mainly because we don't have a soft g here. that is - we have a pretty similar consonant sound, but it doesn't look like a g at all, so my friends would prolly get confused.

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Postby Andrew » Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:40 pm UTC

demon wrote:According to the creator of the GIF format, Steve Wilhite, "GIF" is pronounced like the peanut butter brand, Jif, with a soft "g".
wiki says so, but i don't comply. mainly because we don't have a soft g here. that is - we have a pretty similar consonant sound, but it doesn't look like a g at all, so my friends would prolly get confused.

If you say it with a hard G you don't have to pay them royalties.

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Postby Dingbats » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:08 pm UTC

Me:

char = care
GIF = hard g
javac = jav-ack
C++ = see plus plus

What about ==? Is it "equals" or "equals equals"?

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Postby smocc » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:14 pm UTC

'equals equals'!

# - hash, pound, or sharp (ignoring C#)
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Postby EvanED » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:16 pm UTC

Dingbats wrote:What about ==? Is it "equals" or "equals equals"?


Usually "equals" because it's usually clear or unimportant from context. When I need to make a distinction, "double equals".

I sort of like "gets" for = or := and "equals" for ==, but saying "equals" is too entrenched for me to switch easily. ;)

smocc wrote:'equals equals'!

# - hash, pound, or sharp (ignoring C#)


Octothorpe. ;-)

No, I kid. I'm not sure what I usually use. Probably hash, but not very regularly.

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Postby tallest » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:42 pm UTC

Not really pronunciation but what about x/2? Do you say "x over 2" or "x upon 2".

And what about x_{0}. Do you say "x zero" or "x not"

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Postby EvanED » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:52 pm UTC

tallest wrote:Not really pronunciation but what about x/2? Do you say "x over 2" or "x upon 2".


"x over 2" or "x divided by 2". Only heard it with "upon" from a class in one class pretty recently. [I was in the north-eastern US until even more recently.]

And what about x_{0}. Do you say "x zero" or "x not"


Depends on context. If it's something like the initial value of x, "x not". (Really that should be written "x nought".) If there are a sequence of xs, usually "x sub zero".

This isn't always clear cut. For instance, there are a sequence of infinities, aleph_0, aleph_1, aleph_2, ..., but despite this I say "aleph nought".

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Postby Bluesprite » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:54 pm UTC

And what about x_{0}. Do you say "x zero" or "x not"


"x sub-oh"

and for x_{k} in general: "x sub-k"
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Postby demon » Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:24 pm UTC

Dingbats wrote:Me:

What about ==? Is it "equals" or "equals equals"?


I once heard a guy do the most lovable pun while lecturing on some aspects of processor cache. He said "2 to the n-th power", simultaneously writing 1<<n .
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Postby simen » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:31 pm UTC

GIF: Hard g.
#: Usually hash, but I consider changing to mesh.
Char: As in character.
Javak: Never heard of it.

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Postby SpitValve » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:59 pm UTC

simen wrote:Javak: Never heard of it.


It's javac as in java compile.

x_{0} = x naught for me.

And gif = jif. Which is the name of a cleaning product here.

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Postby Lothar » Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:32 am UTC

javac : "java see"
char : "care"
gif : "jiff" (though sometimes I slip and say it with a hard g. I don't know why)
c++ : "see plus plus"
c# : "see sharp" (though I'm thinking of switching to "dee flat" :D)
car : "car"
== : "equals"
# : "pound" :)
= : "set _ to"
x/2 : "ecks over too"
x_{0} : "ecks sub zero"
aleph_0 : "aleph null"
x_{k} : "ecks sub k"
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Postby SpitValve » Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:43 am UTC

Then there's Greek...


phi = Fee, or Fye? (In Ancient Greek class we were taught that it was an aspirated p and is just pronounced pee actually)
xi = zye? (ksee?)

I'm also getting awfully fond of D flat :)

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Postby Lothar » Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:49 am UTC

phi : "fye"
xi : "ksye"
psi : "psye"

I guess I'm fond of the "eye" ending...

And my professor pronounces tau "taw" which drives me mad! XD
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Postby bitwiseshiftleft » Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:58 am UTC

tallest wrote:Not really pronunciation but what about x/2? Do you say "x over 2" or "x upon 2".


Definitely "x over 2". I use "p on q" or "x upon q" for things like Legendre or Jacobi symbols.

So, how do y'all pronounce UNIX program names, like klogd? I'm not very consistent, but I usually pronounce the words as words and the initials as initials (kay-log-dee).

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Postby Akira » Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:02 am UTC

bitwiseshiftleft wrote:
So, how do y'all pronounce UNIX program names, like klogd? I'm not very consistent, but I usually pronounce the words as words and the initials as initials (kay-log-dee).


first thought when i saw that was "clogged"...

<_< But then... I'm not a serious programmer, so....

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Postby failed assertion » Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:08 am UTC

= is "gets" (x = 10 is "ecks gets ten")
== is "is equal" or "equals"
char is "char" (not "car")
x_0 is "ecks sub zero"
0 is "zero," not "oh." (usually)

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Postby tallest » Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:38 am UTC

My favorite math pronunciations/quirks come from my senior level statistics teacher who is best known for pronouncing probability as "prabobalty" and the far more hillarious "which is greater, the prabobalty you get head or the prabobalty you get tail?"

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Postby EvanED » Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:04 am UTC

Lothar wrote:aleph_0 : "aleph null"


Oh wait... maybe I say that too. Man, I can't remember what I use now. ;-)

I probably switch between aleph null and aleph nought knowing me...

Lothar wrote:And my professor pronounces tau "taw" which drives me mad! XD


I had a professor who would pronounce alpha as "arva" and write it so it looked more like a really messy 2 then an alpha. The first time that came up half the class didn't know what the heck he was talking about, then a little murmur started to spread, "he means alpha". ;-)

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Postby Lothar » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:31 am UTC

SpitValve wrote:phi = Fee, or Fye? (In Ancient Greek class we were taught that it was an aspirated p and is just pronounced pee actually)


If a debate about this ever starts up, I'm inclined to start calling it "fo" or "fum." :P
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Postby Drostie » Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:50 am UTC

I've never met anyone who pronounces "psi" as "psee" or "xi" as "xee", so why does anyone pronounce "phi" like "fee"?

So long as pi is "pie," and chi is "kai" and psi is "[p]sai", I see no reason why phi shouldn't be "fie". Really, there's no excuse.

(But I use both pronunciations anyway, because I'm irrational.)

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Postby SpitValve » Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:03 am UTC

Drostie wrote:I've never met anyone who pronounces "psi" as "psee" or "xi" as "xee", so why does anyone pronounce "phi" like "fee"?

So long as pi is "pie," and chi is "kai" and psi is "[p]sai", I see no reason why phi shouldn't be "fie". Really, there's no excuse.

(But I use both pronunciations anyway, because I'm irrational.)


Because the Greek iota is pronounced like a short "ee" sound. So "psi" is supposed to be pronounced "psee". But because we're physicists/computer dudes/maths peeps/whatever, we don't need to care and we can call them whatever we feel like.

Also "iota" is supposed to have a consonental "i", so it's "yohta" instead of "eye-oh-tah", but do what you will :)

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Postby Andrew » Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:14 am UTC

smocc wrote:# - hash, pound, or sharp (ignoring C#)


# is hash.
£ is pound.
These things are important.

(I loved that m2 once censored the name of a Weezer song to "H### Pipe".)

tallest wrote:My favorite math pronunciations/quirks come from my senior level statistics teacher who is best known for pronouncing probability as "prabobalty" and the far more hillarious "which is greater, the prabobalty you get head or the prabobalty you get tail?"

He had a calculus teacher who couldn't say "integral" or "differentiate". He said "intregal" and "differenciate". Drove us crazy.

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Postby Torn Apart By Dingos » Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:31 am UTC

Andrew wrote:
tallest wrote:My favorite math pronunciations/quirks come from my senior level statistics teacher who is best known for pronouncing probability as "prabobalty" and the far more hillarious "which is greater, the prabobalty you get head or the prabobalty you get tail?"

He had a calculus teacher who couldn't say "integral" or "differentiate". He said "intregal" and "differenciate". Drove us crazy.

My Russian complex analysis teacher said "crush" instead of "cross". There's no reason for anyone to use the word cross that often, but he managed to get it into every lecture. I wonder if he did it for his own amusement.

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Postby Shadowfish » Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:08 pm UTC

Here's another: ^
Is it pronouced "x-or" or "zor"?

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Postby simen » Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:29 pm UTC

Shadowfish wrote:Here's another: ^
Is it pronouced "x-or" or "zor"?

Usually "carrot", but I pronounce the logic operator XOR as ksor.


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