My Pokemanz, let me show you them...

[Gelsamel]

I don't really play Diamond/Pearl anymore even though they're really good and fun. Why? Because of needing dongle games and older gen trades. I can't get any of the pokemon I like (legitimately).

[Xeio]

I have a mew. I got it from one of the pokemon tournaments I attended back when pokemon cards were fairly new and such, damn I got beat so bad though because I didn't rare candy my pokemon to level 100. Put up a good fight though I suppose.

I still think the first 5 were the best (red/blue/yellow/gold/silver), after that, its just too much to deal with that many pokemon. Not that I don't still play, but while for the first games, I had all 151 pokemon memorized, I know probably 6 (hey, my entire party?) from pearl. I still want to trade my mew (and rest of my yellow party) into the new ones, but all that work to trade it into ruby (need to get the trade center upgrade or whatever to trade to old versions, which you don't get till halfway through the game), and then get it to pearl is annoying.

[Cheese]

That's the most annoying thing about the newer games - to get anything special from the older ones, such as a full-powered level 100 set you spent a week or two of playing to get, you need to trade them on two or three times. Why not just start afresh and ditch all the old pokemon?

[Xeio]

That's the most annoying thing about the newer games - to get anything special from the older ones, such as a full-powered level 100 set you spent a week or two of playing to get, you need to trade them on two or three times. Why not just start afresh and ditch all the old pokemon?

Because nobody* LIKES the new pokemon. The first 150 or so were something special, now its like they just started throwing up random shit onto paper and calling it pokemon.

*Me

[hideki101]

Because nobody* LIKES the new pokemon. The first 150 or so were something special, now its like they just started throwing up random shit onto paper and calling it pokemon.

*Me

Question: does that mean that you do or do not like that new guys? That first sentence with that asterisk is kinda open to interpretation.

Anyway I kinda like the new guys (or at least some of them. bidoof/bibarel's design just seem kinda...meh). Zigzagoon is the best early-game rodent IMO.

Off topic, Why no love for third gen? I thought it was one of the best ones, with the introduction of abilities, a new water-based area, the current EV/IV system, natures, and new villains who weren't just a rather large mafia. Sorry, but I kinda thought Team Rocket lacked direction. Teams Aqua/Magma actually had a direction, plan, and a better manga storyline.

[Jorpho]

I still want to trade my mew (and rest of my yellow party) into the new ones, but all that work to trade it into ruby (need to get the trade center upgrade or whatever to trade to old versions, which you don't get till halfway through the game), and then get it to pearl is annoying.

I'm pretty sure there's no way to get a Pokemon from any of the GB/GBC games into the GBA games.

[Xeio]

I still want to trade my mew (and rest of my yellow party) into the new ones, but all that work to trade it into ruby (need to get the trade center upgrade or whatever to trade to old versions, which you don't get till halfway through the game), and then get it to pearl is annoying.

I'm pretty sure there's no way to get a Pokemon from any of the GB/GBC games into the GBA games.

Yes, there is. Put red/blue/yellow/gold/silver cartrige in a GBA (yay backwards compatability). Get ruby/sapphire to the requisite pokemon center upgrade where you can trade with older versions (not sure exactly where). Trade using cable between two GBA cartridges. Put GBA game into DS with the DS version (you may also need to get DS to requisite area to be able to do this), and you can transfer your party from the GBA version to the DS.

Not all that simple, but do-able (assuming you have 2 GBAs and the cable, and a DS). I'm glad I bought a GBA + GBASP.

Question: does that mean that you do or do not like that new guys? That first sentence with that asterisk is kinda open to interpretation.

Anyway I kinda like the new guys (or at least some of them. bidoof/bibarel's design just seem kinda...meh). Zigzagoon is the best early-game rodent IMO.

Off topic, Why no love for third gen? I thought it was one of the best ones, with the introduction of abilities, a new water-based area, the current EV/IV system, natures, and new villains who weren't just a rather large mafia. Sorry, but I kinda thought Team Rocket lacked direction. Teams Aqua/Magma actually had a direction, plan, and a better manga storyline.

I meant nobody as in I don't like them, and therefore project my hate onto others, regaurdless of their actual opinion.

Also, just because zigzagoon is stronger than rattata doesn't mean its better. They can make all the new legendary pokemon they want, that doesn't make them 'better' than mewtwo/zapdos/moltres/articuno.

And I still say I liked the new games, it just got redundant with adding 100+ pokemon every generation.

[ParanoidDrone]

Yes, there is. Put red/blue/yellow/gold/silver cartrige in a GBA (yay backwards compatability). Get ruby/sapphire to the requisite pokemon center upgrade where you can trade with older versions (not sure exactly where). Trade using cable between two GBA cartridges. Put GBA game into DS with the DS version (you may also need to get DS to requisite area to be able to do this), and you can transfer your party from the GBA version to the DS.

Not all that simple, but do-able (assuming you have 2 GBAs and the cable, and a DS). I'm glad I bought a GBA + GBASP.

IIRC, it's FR/LG that lets you trade with older versions, if by older you mean Ruby and Sapphire. Last I checked, it's impossible for one to trade between RBYGSC and RSEFRLGDP. (Holy acronyms, Batman!)

[Xeio]

IIRC, it's FR/LG that lets you trade with older versions, if by older you mean Ruby and Sapphire. Last I checked, it's impossible for one to trade between RBYGSC and RSEFRLGDP. (Holy acronyms, Batman!)

Ah, I may have been slightly mistaken then, because wikipedia also fails me. Though, it does say ruby/sapphire can connect to the gamecube games, so that may be an alternate way to get them to trade up...

It makes me wonder if there are any homebrew type applications that are made to do this.

[Jorpho]

It makes me wonder if there are any homebrew type applications that are made to do this.

Oh, there's probably something or other that will let you hack your save data so that it would appear to have the identical contents of your save file on another cartridge. But that's just not the same, now is it?

I'm still contemplating what I'm going to do with my old copy of Yellow that I never finished. I am haunted by the idea that if I restart I can use that intricate and well-established cheat to catch Mew and all the other normally-inaccessible Pokemon. Should I just wipe my 60+ hours of play time and be done with it? Or should I go through the trouble of acquiring a copy of Red or Blue, use the cheat on those cartridges, and transfer the relevant Pokemon over to my Yellow cart? (Yes, oddly enough, I do happen to have two aulde bricks already.) Or should I quit wasting my time on such an old game and go buy Platinum or whatever?

[Ondore]

There are enough differences in the key data of Pokemon between the 2nd generation and 3rd generation that it is impossible to take anything from GSC and move it to a GBA game.

RBY, GSC, Stadium and Stadium 2 can link with each other. RSE, FR/LG, Colosseum and XD can link with each other, and RSE/FRLG can upload to DP. DP can link with Pokemon Battle Revolution. That's the relationship.

[hideki101]

Anyway I kinda like the new guys (or at least some of them. bidoof/bibarel's design just seem kinda...meh). Zigzagoon is the best early-game rodent IMO.

Also, just because zigzagoon is stronger than rattata doesn't mean its better. They can make all the new legendary pokemon they want, that doesn't make them 'better' than mewtwo/zapdos/moltres/articuno.

I just wonder how much of that betterness you say is based on nostalgia. I wasn't saying ziggy is stronger than rattata, I was saying he's the best because of looks and the pickup ability, looks being a personal choice. I love abusing the pickup ability, hence I love using Zigzagoon and Linoone

[Xeio]

I just wonder how much of that betterness you say is based on nostalgia. I wasn't saying ziggy is stronger than rattata, I was saying he's the best because of looks and the pickup ability, looks being a personal choice. I love abusing the pickup ability, hence I love using Zigzagoon and Linoone

Most of it is. I just don't like change. I just think that when it gets to the point where you aren't familiar with more than half the pokemon in the pokeverse its a little overkill. I mean, gold and silver were cool (woo, new pokemon!), but then you get ruby/sapphire (woo, more pokemon?), and diamond/pearl (um, ok, this is getting crazy), or even the next generation of games...

I mean, all the new features are cool (breeding, pokemon attitude, um... pokemon contests are a neat little quirk too I suppose). I just hate seeing some of my favorites outdated by all these new fangled pokemanz.

[hideki101]

I just wonder how much of that betterness you say is based on nostalgia. I wasn't saying ziggy is stronger than rattata, I was saying he's the best because of looks and the pickup ability, looks being a personal choice. I love abusing the pickup ability, hence I love using Zigzagoon and Linoone

Most of it is. I just don't like change. I just think that when it gets to the point where you aren't familiar with more than half the pokemon in the pokeverse its a little overkill. I mean, gold and silver were cool (woo, new pokemon!), but then you get ruby/sapphire (woo, more pokemon?), and diamond/pearl (um, ok, this is getting crazy), or even the next generation of games...

I mean, all the new features are cool (breeding, pokemon attitude, um... pokemon contests are a neat little quirk too I suppose). I just hate seeing some of my favorites outdated by all these new fangled pokemanz.

I don't really see how the original 151 are getting outdated, though the ones that were originally really strong now seem weaker, I guess. They're only are outdated if you think they are. Dragonite is still one of my favorites, and gyrados still is a danger in the OU metagame, they don't seem that outdated to me.

I guess we have different mindsets when it comes to the broadening range of pokemon in the games.

[ParanoidDrone]

I don't really see how the original 151 are getting outdated, though the ones that were originally really strong now seem weaker, I guess. They're only are outdated if you think they are. Dragonite is still one of my favorites, and gyrados still is a danger in the OU metagame, they don't seem that outdated to me.

This, sort of. The way I see it, back then we were all "ooh shiny game cool critters me likey" and couldn't care less about how strong/weak they were. (Raise your hand if you ever had a Pokemon with all 4 moves of the same type. Bonus points for Ember/Fire Spin/Flamethrower/Fire Blast Charizard.) Nowadays, we look at Pokemon with a more discerning eye as far as their power level (It's over 9000!) goes, so we're much quicker to write something off as bad or not as good since we have 492 other Pokemon to choose from. It's not like we're losing variety, here. <_< Like you said, we don't think of Gyarados as outdated. But Gyarados is stupidly strong. Ditto for Gengar. The instant an old Pokemon gets one-upped by something better, we see it as outdated because, well, it is. How many of us honestly use Alakazam for any reason other than nostalgia when we have Azelf? (I don't, at least.)

DISCLAIMER: The above may or may not make much sense. I sort of lost track of my original argument around the second sentence.

(Nothing makes you feel older than talking about the days of RBY.)

[Gelsamel]

Just about every pokemon I had in Red had all moves of his type.

[Midnight]

then again back in those days there were no items that added to damage types. STAB all the way.

except when there was one (i think. maybe 0) dragon-type moves back in those days... my poor dragonite.

[Steelion]

I just don't understand people who liked red/blue/yellow the best. There's no variety. I try playing my old versions, and can't even get past the first gym. I get bored. The only Gen 1 Pokemon I still like are Venusaur and Gengar. maybe Onix and Gyarados. Everything else is just

[Clockwork_Golem]

So, there's going to be a flashlight in Platinum instead of a TM/HM. Would anyone prefer to keep the HMs or just replace them all with items? Personally I hate having to have a HM slave or two in my party.

[Ondore]

Re: Platinum flashlight [citation needed]: Flash isn't an HM any more anyway.

In my opinion, they either need to make the HM moves not suck or replace them with items.

[sakeniwefu]

Re: Platinum flashlight [citation needed]: Flash isn't an HM any more anyway.

In my opinion, they either need to make the HM moves not suck or replace them with items.

In the end they suck big time by design. I mean, I have a hundred fire pokemanz yet only a doped Pokemon(whatever its type) can burn down a tree standing on my way? Come on!
Just having a Pokemon of the correct type and power should be enough.

[JayDee]

I would be happy if a Pokemon that had a HM equipped could use that skill out of battle, if it would be able. Maybe. This way it wouldn't change hugely, but it would maybe be more convenient. On the other hand, it's probably one of many things that could do with significant change rather than little change.

[Gelsamel]

What? I didn't even understand what you said JayDee.

[Torvaun]

He's saying, turn Cut and all that into equipment instead of moves. Like holding a berry, a pokemon can hold a chainsaw.

[JayDee]

I should maybe read my posts before I hit submit.

I mean that you would have Pokemon holding HMs, and if a Pokemon was holding a HM it would be able to use that move outside of battle (subject to other normal restrictions.) That way you wouldn't have to teach HM moves to Pokemon to be able to get around on the map. you would also be free to do things exactly as they are done now.

[Gelsamel]

Oh right... I'm not sure that's better than a HM slave that has most HMs on them.. pokemon can only hold 1 item, so if I have 1 holding the HM Surf then I want to go fly then I have to switch it out.. OR waste the item on all my pokemon and some items are awesome...

[Clockwork_Golem]

Sorry, here's the video with the flashlight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w19433iWpBA

[hideki101]

I would be happy if a Pokemon that had a HM equipped could use that skill out of battle, if it would be able. Maybe. This way it wouldn't change hugely, but it would maybe be more convenient. On the other hand, it's probably one of many things that could do with significant change rather than little change.

or better yet, integrate HM effects into a pokemon. Example, anyone with big claws, or can learn some cutting attack can use cut outside of battle, though you will probably need the badge requirement to do so.

[ParanoidDrone]

Regarding the flashlight, it could easily be a gimmick for a gym puzzle (Hearthome most likely; the lamps looked like Duskull), but god I hope it's something more. I'm sick of having to teach Flash/Cut/Rock Smash/other worthless moves just to get past a single blockade. HM slaves work, but it limits your party size.

[Gelsamel]

I would be happy if a Pokemon that had a HM equipped could use that skill out of battle, if it would be able. Maybe. This way it wouldn't change hugely, but it would maybe be more convenient. On the other hand, it's probably one of many things that could do with significant change rather than little change.

or better yet, integrate HM effects into a pokemon. Example, anyone with big claws, or can learn some cutting attack can use cut outside of battle, though you will probably need the badge requirement to do so.

So then I'd need a pokemon with claws, one that is big and floating and can hold me, one that has wings, one that is big and strong so it can crush boulders or push them etc.

That's worse than being 1 party member down.

[Torvaun]

I'd expect Gyarados can handle Surf, Waterfall, Whirlpool, Strength, and Rock Smash. And it'd still have real moves instead of HMs.

[Ondore]

The 3rd version for Diamond and Pearl (Platinum) is out already, and there are more Pokemon catchable before you get the National Pokedex. Including more fire types. This makes me quite happy.

[hideki101]

The 3rd version for Diamond and Pearl (Platinum) is out already, and there are more Pokemon catchable before you get the National Pokedex. Including more fire types. This makes me quite happy.

Apparently, rotom has new formes. It looks like Rotom takes the form of the object it's haunting.

[HighCharity]

I have a dilemma: I finished the game (Diamond) and I can't decide if I want to restart the game or just keep my old save (I have a lot of high-level Poke's). Advice?

[Jorpho]

I have a dilemma: I finished the game (Diamond) and I can't decide if I want to restart the game or just keep my old save (I have a lot of high-level Poke's). Advice?

In theory, it is possible to backup your savedata with any of the relatively inexpensive flashcarts on the market with programs such as SavSender or this backup tool.

Too bad a similar alternative for RBY is not as widely available. (I saw something like that once; anybody remember exactly what it was called?)

[Gelsamel]

Um... what is the benefit to restarting?

[Jack Saladin]

The opportunity to re-experience the riveting narrative.

[qinwamascot]

Wow...I must be like the only one who played competitively. Otherwise, at least to me, RBY was extremely mechanical and GSC was just really boring overall. Not a lot of options. RSE and DPP are both fun tho. But if you play for in-game, I guess it doesn't really matter at all. They're all just bad RPGs with a unique battle system.

I have a dilemma: I finished the game (Diamond) and I can't decide if I want to restart the game or just keep my old save (I have a lot of high-level Poke's). Advice?

Do you have a friend with the game? If so, what you do is trade all your good stuff to his game for junk lvl 2 Bidoofs, then reset your game. This saves your pokemanz for later (you can trade back assuming your friend isn't a total loser) and you get the satisfaction of having personally permanently erased the data for hundreds of bidoofs that never should have existed anyway.

If not, you could always buy another cartridge and DS like I did (technically one is my brother's but we both do breeding anyways so not really a huge difference here). If not, I suggest training and doing battle tower a lot; it really does get fun once you have beaten 200+. Every battle is a huge risk. The normal game is boring anyways.

Just to clear up some old questions,, it is definitely impossible to get any pokemon before RSE into RSE or later, or any pokemon after GSC into GSC or earlier. So if you really like your RBY level 100 Gyrados, it can't go anywhere past GSC. Also, it is impossible to get any pokemon from DPP into RSEFRLG in any way. The converse is possible though.

Most HM moves are bad, but this isn't an issue competitively because you can always switch parties before a competition battle. In game, moves like cut and rock smash will kill stuff anyway. So complaining about this is kind of dumb. Plus, some HM moves are really useful. Gyrados loves waterfall, and most other water pokemon use surf a lot. Mostly it's the water type HMs that are good.

There was one Dragon-type move in Gen I-Dragon Rage. Too bad it deals 40 damage fixed, so STAB is useless. If it's any consolation, Dnite can Agiliwrap. He can also mixed sweep, which is decent except that he gets no flying moves either, so no STAB at all. Still, the highest attack in the game and great other stats and movepool make him a decent choice. I've only used him on one team tho (with agiliwrap).

Because nobody* LIKES the new pokemon

Disagree. They make it more interesting because my team is never ready for everything. 150 leaves probably 15-20 decent ones for competition, which is not enough when everyone has to choose 6.

[Gelsamel]

The opportunity to re-experience the riveting narrative.

....Of pokemon?

[Game_boy]

Crystal was my first Pokémon game. It was the best - graphics that didn't suck but still the gameplay was still original and the balance returned. Plus: includes all of R/B/Y IN THE MAIN GAME ITSELF. Oh, and the music was a landmark in gaming history, tied with R/B/Y and Metroid Prime for best ever.

Why was Crystal better than G/S? You get a free Suicune, of course.

Plus I have a legal Celebi from the New York Pokécentre.