Doomdeath (Split from post yourself playing music)

[damienthebloody]

hooray for obomoboe! you totally kick the arse of the orchestra you're performing with, ren.

and xooll - nice to see another doom-metaller on the fora! your stuff is quite nice

are you a shape of despair fan, by any chance?

[xooll]

hooray for obomoboe! you totally kick the arse of the orchestra you're performing with, ren.

and xooll - nice to see another doom-metaller on the fora! your stuff is quite nice

are you a shape of despair fan, by any chance?

Shape of Despair is one of my favorite bands, yes.

[damienthebloody]

nice. one of those songs i listened to seemed to demonstrate an affection for their style. keep up the good work

[Jesse]

Ever listened to My Dying Bride?

(British Doomdeath ftw)

[damienthebloody]

*has complete works of my dying bride, anathema and paradise lost*

...i really like my deathdoom

[Jesse]

I have the complete MDB discography, but no other doomdeath. They are the only ones that really 'strike a chord with me' *Snigger*

[damienthebloody]

really? i'm surprised that you aren't into at least one of the other two... but if you like mdb, then i highly, highly recommend mourning beloveth and morgion. and early katatonia.

[Jesse]

I shall get to the purchasing.

I've just never come into contact with any other doomdeath, as far as I knew before tonight MDB were the only people still really doing it.

[damienthebloody]

well yeah - anathema stopped doing it years ago (but i prefer their guitar rock stuff, anyway - it's even more wonderful), and paradise lost as well...
but mourning beloveth have been described as pretty much definitive of the style. they're irish, and just have this wonderful melancholy thing going on... the album to check out from them is "dust", although all of their stuff is pretty damn good.
morgion - solinari is also a great one in the style.
other notable bands:
november's doom - american group. their first two albums are straight out of the my dying bride songbook...their later stuff is a bit more energised, but very well written and also worth exploring.
officium triste - dutch, i think. pretty much all of their stuff is very nice.
Avernus - american. they had a few astonishing demos, very much in the early my dying bride ugly-death-doom-with-a-violin vein...then they released a weird album called "...of the fallen", which is frankly ghastly and should be avoided at all costs...some of the guys got into dead can dance and tried to do that instead. failed miserably. but their demos are just fantastic.
stone wings - australian group. they have an album called bird of stone wings which is just stunning.
paramaecium - another australian group. highest calibre of classy death doom. the album "echoes from the ground" is very, very well written.
funeral - one of the inventors of funeral doom. having done that, they recorded a death-doom album called "in fields of pestilent grief", which is required listening. their funeral stuff is wonderful, too.

that should be enough to be going on with, methinks

[Jesse]

I shall get to it once I finish with the Pi Soundtrack and Double Life of Veronique.

I've been hankering after some more doomdeath.

[Akira]

What... precicely... IS doomdeath/deathdoom/dodeathoom/w/e???

[damienthebloody]

well...

start with the elements of death metal (heavy, distorted guitars, growled vocals, atonal guitars, dark, twisted atmosphere, through-composition), and then make it slow, crushing and miserable (although death-doom is generally more tonal than death metal - for example, a massive part of my dying bride's approach is sections of 3 part contrapuntal arrangements - this is not always the case, however). lyrical themes tragic and romantic (generally). more elements can include conventional singing (male or female), violins, keyboards.
it's called death doom because it's doom played in a death-metal style, or death played in a doom-metal style...it really depends on the band.

variants/extensions include sludgedoom (slow, dirty sounds, heavy, nasty, groovy - more for stoners etc) and funeral doom (unbelievably slow. let misery engulf you sort of thing. often more atmospheric and less heavy - my real favourite style of doom).

[Akira]

I see... *nod*

Interesting. Reccomendations/youtube links? ((youtube sovles everything, don't laugh))

[Jesse]

I don't have any youtube links, but I reccommend the album 'Turn Loose The Swans' by My Dying Bride as a great way to get started.

Or, as a single, Sear Me MCMXCII from the Meisterwerk 2 album.

[The Sleeping Tyrant]

november's doom

I'm disappointed that you mention them, but not Novembre. Although they're two totally unrelated bands, I'd say they're of the same quality and the names just link man.

Personally, for death-doom I usually prefer Doom:Vs which is an absolutely stunning band, Black Forest (the Russian one, to clarify), and Swallow the Sum who are pretty cool too.



I haven't immersed myself in doom for a while, should get to that.

[damienthebloody]

Older My Dying Bride - I am the Bloody Earth
Newer My Dying Bride - The Prize of Beauty
Paradise Lost - Gothic (audio only)
Paradise Lost - as i die
Anathema - Mine is Yours to Drown In (Ours is the New Tribe)
Anathema - A Dying Wish
Mourning Beloveth - The Mountains are Mine (the vocals are a little wobbly on this one - it's live - i can't find a studio clip)
Officium Triste - Roses on my Grave
Katatonia - Murder
October Tide - Infinite Submission

And somehow i forgot to mention saturnus, who are better than just about every other band in this style...*hits self in head*
Saturnus - Christ Goodbye
Saturnus - Beware of the Atheist

EDIT: sleeping tyrant - i'm kind of ambivalent to novembre - novembrine waltz is good, but the earlier stuff really bugs me. their stuff would be a pain to find on youtube, since their name is italian for novembre...so i'm leaving them out.
but swallow the sun! hell yeah!
Swallow the sun - The Ship
And how could i forget Forest of Shadows?
Forest of Shadows - Eternal Autumn. Someone has cut this with clips from dracula - ignore this, it makes the song dumb. just listen and enjoy, because this is wonderful.

[Akira]

So far I've lsitened to the first two, and I have to admit it's not bad at all. Not my usual range, but I'm always up for new things.

((Actually, scratch that. My playlist consists of everything from Britney Spears to Dir en grey. I don't have a usual range.))

[The Sleeping Tyrant]

And how could i forget Forest of Shadows?

Arggggh, I'm sad that I forgot him. I absolutely adore his stuff, mostly his demo stuff though. I didn't like Departure as much as Where Dreams Turn to Dust.

[xooll]

Also worth mentioning are Shroud of Bereavement, they're a bit more on the atmospheric side. And they're absolutely amazing live.
Also Reclusiam. More on the funeral-doom side of death-doom. Exquisite stuff.

[SargeZT]

I have no clue what this this is about, except that it is related to music in some way.

Can someone offer me their hand and explain to me your crazy ways?

[Akira]

well...

start with the elements of death metal (heavy, distorted guitars, growled vocals, atonal guitars, dark, twisted atmosphere, through-composition), and then make it slow, crushing and miserable (although death-doom is generally more tonal than death metal - for example, a massive part of my dying bride's approach is sections of 3 part contrapuntal arrangements - this is not always the case, however). lyrical themes tragic and romantic (generally). more elements can include conventional singing (male or female), violins, keyboards.
it's called death doom because it's doom played in a death-metal style, or death played in a doom-metal style...it really depends on the band.

variants/extensions include sludgedoom (slow, dirty sounds, heavy, nasty, groovy - more for stoners etc) and funeral doom (unbelievably slow. let misery engulf you sort of thing. often more atmospheric and less heavy - my real favourite style of doom).

*point* If you don't understand that...

Well...

Can't help ya. Sorry ^^;

((That by the way is about the limit of my own knowledge, too XD))

[SargeZT]

well...

start with the elements of death metal (heavy, distorted guitars, growled vocals, atonal guitars, dark, twisted atmosphere, through-composition), and then make it slow, crushing and miserable (although death-doom is generally more tonal than death metal - for example, a massive part of my dying bride's approach is sections of 3 part contrapuntal arrangements - this is not always the case, however). lyrical themes tragic and romantic (generally). more elements can include conventional singing (male or female), violins, keyboards.
it's called death doom because it's doom played in a death-metal style, or death played in a doom-metal style...it really depends on the band.

variants/extensions include sludgedoom (slow, dirty sounds, heavy, nasty, groovy - more for stoners etc) and funeral doom (unbelievably slow. let misery engulf you sort of thing. often more atmospheric and less heavy - my real favourite style of doom).

*point* If you don't understand that...

Well...

Can't help ya. Sorry ^^;

((That by the way is about the limit of my own knowledge, too XD))

Hmmmm..... so it's heavy metal that's depressing as well?

Either this is a horrible new form of being emo/goth, or something I must check out very, very soon.

[Akira]

The links I looked at of damien's weren't half bad, so it couldn't hurt to check it out, lol.

[Jesse]

It's not depressing, at least what I listen to is just really heavy and oppressive. It's not all whiny ohmigodIneedtocutmyself stuff.

[Belial]

Either this is a horrible new form of being emo/goth

Now hear this: Grouping emo and goth together into one category, especially with a slash as though to imply equivalency, is, from this point forward, a ban-able offense.

It causes an unnamed admin to feel bad about himself and his subculture roots, and possibly want to write depressing poetry about how no one understands him.

[Akira]

If you really feel the need for balance, I've got some bright, happy jpop you can alternate it with, but personally it's alright standing alone.

<_< I wish I knew that i had a type. Bu I don't. Oh well.

[SargeZT]

Either this is a horrible new form of being emo/goth

Now hear this: Grouping emo and goth together into one category, especially with a slash as though to imply equivalency, is, from this point forward, a ban-able offense.

It causes an unnamed admin to feel bad about himself, and possibly want to write depressing poetry about how no one understands him.

Oh gosh. That's no good.

Now..... don't both emos and goth feel bad about themselves and write crappy, depressing poetry? I've been out of 'the loop' for a while, but the last time I left the house they did.

[Belial]

<_< I wish I knew that i had a type. Bu I don't. Oh well.

Umm...if I had to guess, I'd say it starts with "O" and rhymes with "Rotaku"

[Belial]

Now..... don't both emos and goth feel bad about themselves and write crappy, depressing poetry? I've been out of 'the loop' for a while, but the last time I left the house they did.

Yes. Just another thing those hipster motherfuckers stole from us.

No, actually, I've known surprisingly few goths who actually write poetry, but it's a fun stereotype. Mostly we just listen to depressing music with a good beat, and flail arrhythmically on the dance floor.

[Jesse]

Great internet-meme generalisation:

Goth: I hate the world.
Emo: I hate myself.

Also, I was a goth who wrote poetry. Witness: Photographic evidence followed by the first poem I ever wrote.



A broken heart can hear my cries,
Destroyed inside by these endless lies.
Another day, I try to fly.
Falling down, prepare to die.

Fallen
I’m screaming
Yet I’m barely breathing
Darkness
Consuming,
Surrounding, confusing.

Bleeding the tears of a lonely death,
Dying inside and religion won’t save me

I look to God to heal my wound,
But he’s resting now in an empty tomb.
I feel no life running through my veins,
Driven inside by the hollow rain.

Fallen
I’m screaming
Yet I’m barely breathing
Darkness
Consuming,
Surrounding, confusing.

Bleeding the tears of a lonely death,
Dying inside and religion won’t save me

Bleeding the tears of a lonely death,
Dying inside and religion won’t save me

[Belial]

Jesster, that is so cliche-ly awesome that I can't even contain it.

[SargeZT]

Jesster, that is so cliche-ly awesome that I can't even contain it.

Quoted for ridiculous levels of truth.

[Jesse]

Ah to be 15 again, and such a complete ass.

[damienthebloody]

Either this is a horrible new form of being emo/goth

Now hear this: Grouping emo and goth together into one category, especially with a slash as though to imply equivalency, is, from this point forward, a ban-able offense.

It causes an unnamed admin to feel bad about himself, and possibly want to write depressing poetry about how no one understands him.

Oh gosh. That's no good.

Now..... don't both emos and goth feel bad about themselves and write crappy, depressing poetry? I've been out of 'the loop' for a while, but the last time I left the house they did.

this is not a new thing. death-doom kicked off in the late 80s, and the magical and revered time for it was the early-to-mid 90s. it's certainly unrelated to emo.

and i'm with belial - do not confuse emo with goth. really don't. they're worlds apart.

[SargeZT]

Either this is a horrible new form of being emo/goth

Now hear this: Grouping emo and goth together into one category, especially with a slash as though to imply equivalency, is, from this point forward, a ban-able offense.

It causes an unnamed admin to feel bad about himself, and possibly want to write depressing poetry about how no one understands him.

Oh gosh. That's no good.

Now..... don't both emos and goth feel bad about themselves and write crappy, depressing poetry? I've been out of 'the loop' for a while, but the last time I left the house they did.

this is not a new thing. death-doom kicked off in the late 80s, and the magical and revered time for it was the early-to-mid 90s. it's certainly unrelated to emo.

and i'm with belial - do not confuse emo with goth. really don't. they're worlds apart.

I'm not confused about the two, I understand pretty well what they're both about. But you can't escape the fact that both are pretty much founded on the basis that life sucks, nihilism is the best philosophy, and self-destruction is understandable if not encouraged. Yeah, there are some pretty striking differences in the ways the groups operate, but just because there is chocolate completely covering a cake doesn't make it not a cake.

Before you claim a bad analogy though, let's go with this one too. If you have cake that has chocolate frosting, sprinkles and a frowny face, and your competitor makes a cake with chocolate frosting, sprinkles and a frowny face, don't claim that that the cakes aren't similar just because they didn't come up with their's without your help.

But I'm with you goths. You may be similar, but god dammit emos just need to shut the fuck up.

[Jesse]

After I escaped the cliche, I immersed myself into the proper goth culture, and my brother has immersed himself into the emo culture. They are completely different, just look at the music for an example. Goth music is insanely different from emo music, and the ideas they inspire are different to. Emo's seem concerned mostly with relationships, be it relationships with parents, girlfriends, pet cats or whatever. Goth tends to take on a much more mythical background, evoking images of things like vampirism or the apocalypse.

[Belial]

But you can't escape the fact that both are pretty much founded on the basis that life sucks, nihilism is the best philosophy, and self-destruction is understandable if not encouraged.

Not really. Emo is generally founded on the idea that life sucks because I (using the hypothetical "I" here) can't get laid, and that I should whine about it.

Goth angst tends to be a bit more existential or sociological.

But we have sidetracked. Back to Deathdoom!

[Jesse]

Am I the only one that calls it Doomdeath instead of Deathdoom? Doomdeath just rolls of the tongue easier.

[The Sleeping Tyrant]

Am I the only one that calls it Doomdeath instead of Deathdoom? Doomdeath just rolls of the tongue easier.

Most people I know, who know of deathdoom, call it deathdoom. So you might just be; the trend I'm seeing suggests you are.

[SargeZT]

But you can't escape the fact that both are pretty much founded on the basis that life sucks, nihilism is the best philosophy, and self-destruction is understandable if not encouraged.

Not really. Emo is generally founded on the idea that life sucks because I (using the hypothetical "I" here) can't get laid, and that I should whine about it.

Goth angst tends to be a bit more existential or sociological.

But we have sidetracked. Back to Deathdoom!

Fair enough. Deathdoom seems OK, if a little too peppy. At least that's how Murder by Katatonia came across.