MafiaScum NICKROLE Round 1 Day 8

[oneofthedragon]

2 gojoe
2 TINS
4 to lynch.

[myrrh7x]

To me, the two people being decided on are the most suspicious (now, I change my minded 'bout CF), so won't care either way if Gojoe or TINS gets lynched, as long as the other gets lynched the next day.

[Gojoe]

If we lynch tins and she is townie, I will be the first to vote for myself. How about that.

[There-is-no-spoon]

You cannot be the first because I have already voted for myself last day in round 5

Right I'm off.

[Gojoe]

LOL, I have voted for myself many a time. I meant tomorrow I will be the first person to vote for Gojoe.

[There-is-no-spoon]

If we lynch Gojoe and he is townie, I will be the first to vote for myself. How about that.


(and you are making me late Gojoe )

[Gojoe]

I am almost sorry I am making you late TiNS

Well that means in the end, you are going to die, which means town wins.

[crucialityfactor]

OK...this is just going on too long...let's just lynch tins to see if gojoe is a man of his word.

unvote
Vote: TiNS

[Gojoe]

So that is 3 for TiNS. One more and we win.

[There-is-no-spoon]

No,no,no,no,no you are doing this wrong.

The first day we found a lot of accusing between Nebuduck, Gojoe and Drconcon. This is very normal for experienced mafia role players. Don't let Gojoe tell you he gave us drconcon. Bambam killed drconcon and I am sure it was very unplanned for these accusers.

The first day Gojoe said he investigated Drconcon and found mafia. Later we learned that this must have been a lie because Drconcon had the ability to test Town for an investigation.

That night Bambam was killed, I think by the mafia in revenge.

The next day Gojoe leads the lynch of Nebuduck. Believe me, when Neb is Mafia and he does not want to get lynched, he won't be. Neb wanted to get lynched and Gojoe took the credit, another normal Mafia technique.

The night after Gojoe lost his groupie, he posts the post of Kells "the ghost" accusing Felltir. This got Felltir a Townie lynched and Gojoe never explained about that post, even after prodding.

I still say it looks like a kill-claim of Mega to me.

If I was Mafia then I could not have killed Mega plainly because she accused me very heavily just before she was lynched. Mafia normally are loath to kill those that accuse them directly.

If I was Mafia then the last player I would have killed was Mega, because I made it plain that she, by killing all the prominent Townies, is scaring me and really hampers discussion because we would be scared to discuss in case she accidentally kills us. My perception of her game could only help me if I was mafia and I would have left her well alone.

But also consider this:

I am Town and if I am wrong about Gojoe and he is Town , then tomorrow Gojoe will keep his word and vote for himself. The mafia votes and the game is lost.

Myself, with my ability can enable me to keep my word and the Mafia can still not quick-lynch me.

Gents, step gently here. If you want to lynch us then lynch Gojoe first. Read the game tomorrow and decide if you want to follow my vote.

[myrrh7x]

Why're you worrying again?
We have 1 more day after this if you're not mafia.
I'd be much more laid back then you.
If you really think Gojoe's a mafia, you'd know that he'd be dead tomorrow, and wouldn't need to worry.
This solidifies my suspicion of you.

[crucialityfactor]

I think thou doth protest too much.

To me it comes down to the two conditions for the mason's to not be able to win:

1) Some role is blocking the victory- Myrrh is set to die at the end of the day, and I really can't see a way for Gojoe to have that apart of his role if he already had a groupie that could do things for him. It comes back to the over-complication of roles that got Nebuduck lynched (god...that was soooo long ago).

2) Mason's have been infiltrated- The most likely choice. When we chose people to recruit we chose those who we thought might be scum/people who had night kills so they wouldn't use them on us. TiNS falls into the list of possible scum.

[There-is-no-spoon]

Hey I must protest. You want to lynch me!

[There-is-no-spoon]

Look I tell you I am Town and only the mafia knows role alignments for sure . If you lynch me, and Gojoe is Town, Gojoe will hand the game to the Mafia tomorrow because he promised he will vote for himself. I hope this ability of yours save us then CF.

[mbrownmx]

So, at this point, I'm pretty ready to vote for Tins. Of the 3 left who I think could be mafia, he's the one I don't have something tugging at me saying "No, wait..." about.

However, before I do so, @ Gojoe -- TINS is right about one thing: If you're Town, AND he is Town, your plan hands victory to the mafia. If I'm alive tomorrow, at least, I'd like you to NOT vote for yourself. Rather, give (me) the time to weight once more the options. I don't generally see that as a good plan to play to your victory conditions, regardless of whether you're town or mafia.

[myrrh7x]

It's sad knowing that the last 3 players will be Gojoe, CF, and whoever out of Mr Pete and MBrown survives.

[crucialityfactor]

If it's not TiNS or Myrrh it doesn't mean that it HAS to be Gojoe.

Like, what if Gojoe is killed tonight?

That could point to either myself, you, or pete.

Even if he isn't killed, all remaining players SHOULD be considered again tomorrow.

[There-is-no-spoon]

Yes with that I agree.

[mbrownmx]

If it's not TiNS or Myrrh it doesn't mean that it HAS to be Gojoe.

Like, what if Gojoe is killed tonight?

That could point to either myself, you, or pete.

Even if he isn't killed, all remaining players SHOULD be considered again tomorrow.

Mostly right. There's an argument to be made, if Pete makes it to tomorrow, he shouldn't be considered (unless there's been a real breakdown in communication between myrrh7x and OOTD, which seems inconceivable).

This is why I want Gojoe to agree *not* to self-vote, at least until the other two are sure they want him gone. It's a really bad play.

[oneofthedragon]

I did mention this is lylo, right? Because it is. The scum have an, as of yet, unused 1 shot ability which will lead to a victory tommow. Just so you know. There is no tommorow.

[There-is-no-spoon]

unvote

[mbrownmx]

I did mention this is lylo, right? Because it is. The scum have an, as of yet, unused 1 shot ability which will lead to a victory tommow. Just so you know. There is no tommorow.

Whoa, really?

I'm very glad you mentioned that now, before I voted.

[oneofthedragon]

Yes really. I'm going to give everyone a good healthy unvote in light of this. If you feel strongly, revote, but I think you'd all prefer to not have a surprise scum speedlynch.

[crucialityfactor]

....god dammit ootd...

[oneofthedragon]

Would you have preferred I not told you, and simply let the scum win? I think not.

[crucialityfactor]

No...I would have preferred being told at the beginning of the day.

I'm assuming that the scum already voted, and i really don't see any change between the suspects. Except now we won't be able to know for sure if Pete is innocent. But I'm going to assume so.

This makes me even more suspicious of gojoe now as he was really pushing for lynching TiNS quickly under the guise of voting for himself tomorrow.

[mbrownmx]

Would you have preferred I not told you, and simply let the scum win? I think not.

If I thought OOTD was careless in his words, I'd probably interpret this as accidentally telling us TINS is not scum. Which, hey, he did make such a mistake before.

[oneofthedragon]

Well cf, when you want to go through 30 pages 8 days worth of mod notes to figure out if it's really, truly, lylo, you tell me. But for now I'd just be happy that you know at all.

[crucialityfactor]

vote: OOTD

[crucialityfactor]

This just got super serious though...

There are 4 people to choose from here (Myrrh and Pete are non-factors in this in my mind)

Myself
Gojoe
Mbrown
TiNS

I'm at work right now, but when I get home I'm gonna look more in depth into people.

But right now, just because Mbrown could have easily won it back there by speed lynching, I'm thinking the suspects remain between Gojoe and TiNS.

[mbrownmx]

Darn, if I try to meta the mods comments, I end up in a weird place.

Unless myrrh7x is *really* lying, and has some *really* powerful hidden abilities at this point, he's town (He'd need to have (1) Ability to prevent himself from dying by radiation and (2) ability to kill at least 2 people, in addition to the nightkill, tonight, to win tomorrow).
Pete, also, would need some degree of crazy ability to be the mafia (Ability to ignore myrrh7x's reflection AND ability to kill faster than his "1 person per 3 days by radiation" kill).
I know I'm town.
When trying to meta the mod, TINS is town, for the reason I mentioned above:

Would you have preferred I not told you, and simply let the scum win? I think not.

If I thought OOTD was careless in his words, I'd probably interpret this as accidentally telling us TINS is not scum. Which, hey, he did make such a mistake before.

OOTD also previously said "However, during this, they hear a scream from the direction of Gojoe's house. His groupie has died. Gojoe has lost his abilities." (viewtopic.php?f=53&t=27642&p=889988&hilit=Tigion#p889988), which, taking the statement as truth, would mean Gojoe can't be the one with powers left, and thus can't be Mafia (because then today wouldn't be lylo)
That only leaves CF, but my gut doesn't really feel like he's mafia here.

So, really, I'm only more confused than before. Great.

[There-is-no-spoon]

This is not intended as an accusation in any way, so please do not read it as such, I am just trying to think laterally here.

I wonder if the difference between lynching myrrh7x and letting him die tonight will change to the outcome of the game. Ideas? I am now stumped.

[mbrownmx]

This is not intended as an accusation in any way, so please do not read it as such, I am just trying to think laterally here.

I wonder if the difference between lynching myrrh7x and letting him die tonight will change to the outcome of the game. Ideas? I am now stumped.

That's an interesting question. I think it depends on what the mafia have that allows them to win, but it probably does.

For instance, if it's an extra one-shot night kill, that does, I guess, buy us another day (we lose myrrh7x, normal nightkill, and one-shot night kill to go from 5+1 to 2+1, instead of those + lynch for 5+1 to 1+1).

[crucialityfactor]

I don't think we could lynch Myrrh even if we wanted to. Or at least according to his roleclaim.

If we do no lynch we'll be losing 3 people total by tomorrow though...

Which would leave us with a real lylo, but perhaps a better idea of who is the scum.

[mbrownmx]

EBWOP: That being said, I'm not sure such a day would be useful. I mean, if there are 3 people we can cross of our lists right now (and I think it seems most of us agree there are at least 2: myrrh7x and Pete), then we don't gain much, really, I don't think [it's a little complicated because, if there are 3 such people right now, each of them has a 1/3 chance of randomly picking the mafia, while the others have 1/2 and 0, 2 town and mafia, and I'm not doing the math now to see if, on a purely random basis, it helps.]

[crucialityfactor]

Yeah, unless the last scum has huge balls made of diamonds it'd probably be either you or me tomorrow with gojoe and tins.

[There-is-no-spoon]

Something just struck me. Myself, Cf and I am sure some other players also have/had more than one ability. Perhaps there is a player here that has more ability than he owned up to?

Also, I am not talking sense anymore because it is late. Night all.

[crucialityfactor]

Well...I have more than one ability because my abilities are all one-shot.

I don't think it'd be fair for me to only have 1 one-shot ability while others have something that can be used over and over again.

[Gojoe]

I have no abilities left. My groupie is dead. but who has extra voting abilities? That would be TiNS.

[Gojoe]

CV HAS CLEARED THESE LIVING PLAYERS.
crucialityfactor
Gojoe
TINS
InstictSage
Beyond that, I can't help you. Look for a name that might have the 1shot.
-CV