My Pokemanz, let me show you them...

[ACU-LP]

I'm pretty sure dual types are more superior in almost every way...


Anyway, my teams are based off aesthetics. Metagross/Gardevoir/Weavile/Absol/Togekiss all look really cool >:3.

No dragons?! They look UBER cool!

I love Dragons but the Dragons in pokemon that aren't totally gimp look stupid.

If you are referring to dragonite, salamence or charizard there, you shall die.

[Gelsamel]

I'm pretty sure dual types are more superior in almost every way...


Anyway, my teams are based off aesthetics. Metagross/Gardevoir/Weavile/Absol/Togekiss all look really cool >:3.

No dragons?! They look UBER cool!

I love Dragons but the Dragons in pokemon that aren't totally gimp look stupid.

If you are referring to dragonite, salamence or charizard there, you shall die.

Charizard isn't a dragon, Dragonite and Salamance looks stupid.

Dratini and Dragonair are cool, but they're not fully evolved...

Actually Flygon looks cool, and he is in my team too. But he doesn't look like a dragon...

[ACU-LP]

I'm pretty sure dual types are more superior in almost every way...


Anyway, my teams are based off aesthetics. Metagross/Gardevoir/Weavile/Absol/Togekiss all look really cool >:3.

No dragons?! They look UBER cool!

I love Dragons but the Dragons in pokemon that aren't totally gimp look stupid.

If you are referring to dragonite, salamence or charizard there, you shall die.

Charizard isn't a dragon, Dragonite and Salamance looks stupid.

Dratini and Dragonair are cool, but they're not fully evolved...

Actually Flygon looks cool, and he is in my team too. But he doesn't look like a dragon...

Sacrilige!

[Mane]

I'm pretty sure dual types are more superior in almost every way...

Dual Types are only good if they give you benefits; I like a lot of Steel/X types because they tend to give you resists to a good number of attacks; magnemite has 12 resists, and one immunity, for example.

And I have to agree with the dragon thing; Always wondered how Dragonite could go from being so thin to being so...fat...and orange.

[lorenith]

Well if you want to nitpick over Charizard being a dragon or not it's in the "dragon" egg group. Then again so is ekans/arbok and I don't really consider those dragons, but everything else in that egg group count as a dragon to me whether they have the typing for it or not.

I like dragons, but I also like to have some variety in my group, if I didn't care about that nearly half of my pokemon would be ground types, or dragons.

My team that I can remember was something like Lucario, Flygon, Weavile, Vaporeon, Charizard, Leafeon, but a few of those were interchangeable with other pokemon. I had been working on IV training a flygon but it's so time consuming to breed pokemon out till they have max IV's. I think the best I've gotten is one with mid 20 across the board in it's IV's.

[Cheese]

I'm pretty sure dual types are more superior in almost every way...


Anyway, my teams are based off aesthetics. Metagross/Gardevoir/Weavile/Absol/Togekiss all look really cool >:3.

No dragons?! They look UBER cool!

I love Dragons but the Dragons in pokemon that aren't totally gimp look stupid.

If you are referring to dragonite, salamence or charizard there, you shall die.

Charizard isn't a dragon, Dragonite and Salamance looks stupid.

Dratini and Dragonair are cool, but they're not fully evolved...

Actually Flygon looks cool, and he is in my team too. But he doesn't look like a dragon...

Sacrilige!

QFT. Dragonite looks awesome, although they could really do with a more... dragony? Yeah, dragony dragon type. Something like the European Dragon. Charizard is what currently comes closest to this, but it's not quite there (and of course isn't dragon-type. Why the hell not?!).

[Torvaun]

This is why people don't like how Dragonite looks.

Spoiler:

[qinwamascot]

My team is highly imbalanced. What can I say? I love dragons. Also, I wont use actual legendaries in my team. Hence why no metagross, etc.
Salamence
Tyranitar
Charizard
Dragonite
are my mains. However I have a selection of others that join them on occasion;
Skarmory (with sky attack, etc)
Gengar (one of my favourites from the original)
Jynx (weak, but ice/psychic seems like such an awesome combo)
Kingdra
Flygon

No metagross? yet ttar is allowed, as are dnite and 'mence? Mence and tar were, for a time, debated for moving to ubers (mence for a very short time iirc). Metagross is fairy balanced, and the only advantage it has over these three is no quad weakness. All 4 are 600BST making them psuedo-legendary. I'm assuming you play Advance generation so I'll phrase my post around that.

The ones that are good on your list are (in the order you posted):
Salamence, Tyranitar, Dragonite (iffy), Skarmory, Gengar, Flygon (iffy)

Things you are missing: a special wall, anything (other than jinx, which is epic lose) that resists ice (among the most common attack types), any kind of support, etc. That being said, unless you want to play competitively, it doesn't make a bit of difference.

My team that I can remember was something like Lucario, Flygon, Weavile, Vaporeon, Charizard, Leafeon, but a few of those were interchangeable with other pokemon. I had been working on IV training a flygon but it's so time consuming to breed pokemon out till they have max IV's. I think the best I've gotten is one with mid 20 across the board in it's IV's.

why flygon? I realize 'chomp has been banned, but he seems so...second tier. Leafeon is just bad...if you need a good grass type I like celebi. Charizard is playable. The rest are quite good, although I don't see any noticeable interactions between them.

Feraligatr, Growlithe, Skarmory, Miltank, Sunflora [in crystal]

Umm...are you just putting pokemon that have different types together or are you actually using some kind of strategy. From what I've played (a lot) sunflora is never playable. and growlithe

I'm pretty sure dual types are more superior in almost every way...


Anyway, my teams are based off aesthetics. Metagross/Gardevoir/Weavile/Absol/Togekiss all look really cool >:3.

Not always. You get 2 STABs, which is quite nice, and often a lot of resistances, but you also sometimes get quadruple weaknesses. Which is the main reason ttar is not uber. You don't really have a type balance with 2 psychics, 2 darks and no elemental pokes. A CB Heracross (or worse, bulk-up salac) would rip through this team pretty easily. And that's like one of the most common things in standard. You also can't do anything if I just switch between physical and special walls.

Why Gardevoir? Azelf is the best psychic pokemon in standard, and 'zam is probably better because of higher speed.

[ACU-LP]

@qinwamascot: I have done this, so dont se me as being rude, but many the questions you have asked have been answered before-hand. Actually between my post that you referred to and and this one.
How in hell is dragonite an 'iffy' one?
Also, when I looked at a friends DP, their pokemon at level 100 had a good 20% less stats than mine, which were at level 90 something (despite being the same pokemon)

[Waldo]

Gold and silver were my favorites. Sadly, I've lost them both Yellow was okay too, and I sort of still play it now and then...

[hideki101]

How come there's no RSE love? A lot of my favorites and most of my active belt are third gen:
Gardevoir
Milotic
Metagross
Dragonite
Breloom
Skarmory

I seem to like psychics more for their personality than for their strength. I've always imagined psychics being intelligent enough to communicate telepathically, especially Alakazam, Gardevoir, and Gallade.

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QFT. Dragonite looks awesome, although they could really do with a more... dragony? Yeah, dragony dragon type. Something like the European Dragon. Charizard is what currently comes closest to this, but it's not quite there (and of course isn't dragon-type. Why the hell not?!).

Because a dragon/fire type would be completely broken? Which goes especially if Charizard's ability becomes levitate, due to the fact that it can fly.

[lorenith]

why flygon? I realize 'chomp has been banned, but he seems so...second tier. Leafeon is just bad...if you need a good grass type I like celebi. Charizard is playable. The rest are quite good, although I don't see any noticeable interactions between them.

Yeah cause it's so EASY to get Celebi, I don't know why I have Leafeon cause I don't think I've ever actually used him, at the time I thought it'd be neat to try out a plant type though as the only plant type I've ever liked is Venasaur and Torterra, and I still don't really enjoy them as much as other pokemon. I use Flygon because I like Flygon, as I mentioned before, I use mostly BL pokemon because that's where many of my pokemon likes fall so it shouldn't be that surprising that I happen to use Flygon

While I like to have a team with some variety, that doesn't mean I play all that competitively, and I don't really want to since it's so restrictive to the pokemon that are actually be ok to compete with. I also lack the patience or care to make a team with synergy in it. It was kind of fun trying to IV train flygon for a while, but I never planned to do it for competitive reasons. I had already bred for a jolly flygon, who turned out to have high 20's in it's speed and attack IV's but like...a 5 in HP, so I figured I'd see if I could breed one that had better HP.

I'm just happy most of my fav pokemon fall into BL or OU.

ACU I don't know why dragonite is "iffy" going off the smogon websites thing (for d/p anyway) it is apparently a relatively flexible addition to a team. Granted one shouldn't take smogon as the end all and be all, but it's a useful resource for all competitive play in all generations, it's a good place to start if you want to look for ideas.

Dragonite had trouble fitting in last generation, as Salamence was being eyed and fancied by every trainer and their brother. Dragonite has gotten more competition this time around from Garchomp, but Dragonite does have a unique combo in Dragon Dance and Outrage that no other OU Dragon shares. This, combined with its ability to take supporting roles and be an overall versatile team player, has boosted Dragonite's usage in D/P, even though Garchomp has been busy overshadowing Dragonite since before D/P was even released. Since Dragonite fills so many roles, it can work on many teams.

Counters

Much like Salamence, anything with Ice Beam will give Dragonite a hard time; just beware of Yache Berry on Dragon Dance sets. Bulky Waters like Suicune, Slowbro and Swampert can threaten with Ice Beam or Avalanche while also scouting out Dragonite's set. Weavile and Mamoswine are especially dangerous with STAB Ice Shard hitting on Dragonite's lesser defense. Steels switch in well on Dragon attacks (particularly Outrage and Draco Meteor), but need to be wary of predicted Fire moves.

[Waldo]

After much thread-inspired searching, I found a cartridge-shaped lump behind the padding in my old Gameboy case, which turned out to be my Gold, Silver, AND Blue versions

Gold won't remember the time, and Silver won't remember anything (Started new game, saved, and it was gone after I turned the game off). I assume it's the internal battery. Is there some way to replace, recharge, or otherwise repair them?

Oddly, Blue (the oldest) still works just fine.

[qinwamascot]

After much thread-inspired searching, I found a cartridge-shaped lump behind the padding in my old Gameboy case, which turned out to be my Gold, Silver, AND Blue versions

Gold won't remember the time, and Silver won't remember anything (Started new game, saved, and it was gone after I turned the game off). I assume it's the internal battery. Is there some way to replace, recharge, or otherwise repair them?

Oddly, Blue (the oldest) still works just fine.

this was the best instruction I could find in a short time. Oddly, none of my batteries have ever died. But I've done this for a friend, and can attest that it does work.

[Joeldi]

Quote:
Feraligatr, Growlithe, Skarmory, Miltank, Sunflora [in crystal]

Umm...are you just putting pokemon that have different types together or are you actually using some kind of strategy. From what I've played (a lot) sunflora is never playable. and growlithe

If they're anything like me, they probably can't find anyone who wants to play competitively, and six different 'mons, each with a different type is certainly enough to take down the elite 4 again and again and again.

[ACU-LP]

Growlithe is playable, with the right moveset. Just not so much in the new versions. In RBY I have heard it was very good, and in GSC it was decent.
Also, I have heard that magmar has an evolution; that of magmortar. However, it lacks a 'mortar' attack. That is BS.

[lorenith]

Growlithe is playable, with the right moveset. Just not so much in the new versions. In RBY I have heard it was very good, and in GSC it was decent.
Also, I have heard that magmar has an evolution; that of magmortar. However, it lacks a 'mortar' attack. That is BS.

I think it's more the fact that it can be evolved, I used to play with unevolved pokemon in Yellow, but that just goes to show how easy the game is. But I dunno Arcanine is way cooler than Growlithe is. With the addition of the battle tower and stuff, it's a lot harder to get away with weak unevolved pokemon, that is if you want to play in the battle tower.

I have comment for the second half of your post as it's very head deskerific.

[ACU-LP]

I just thought, how can they name something as interestingly as magmortar, yet not give it a mortar attack?

[lorenith]

How often do they give even Legendary pokemon attacks unique only to themselves?

I think this generation might be the only one where pokemon have "signature" moves although I'm not thinking too hard or researching to find out, and even then I think Dialga and Palkia share theirs with Arctereus or whatever that pokemon god to end all pokemon gods is called.

[Mane]

How often do they give even Legendary pokemon attacks unique only to themselves?

I think this generation might be the only one where pokemon have "signature" moves although I'm not thinking too hard or researching to find out, and even then I think Dialga and Palkia share theirs with Arctereus or whatever that pokemon god to end all pokemon gods is called.

Yes and no.

Technically speaking, we've always had signature moves, but most of the time they never get any attention because they also happened to be rather weak; take Twineedle for example, Beedrill's Signature move.

According to Bulbapedia, Dialga and Palkia do have signature moves, and if you went to the 10th movie, you would have gotten a Darkrai with both those moves on it, but Darkrai doesn't learn those moves outside of that promo.

Other Legendaries with Signature moves include Latios/Latias (luster purge/mistball) Jirachi (Doom Desire), Ho-Oh (Sacred Fire), Lugia (Aeroblast).

It wasn't very common in the first generation, probably do to the data limitations on the Gameboy.

[lorenith]

I should have left it at "How often do they give even Legendary pokemon attacks unique only to themselves?" Since it seems to be half and half between them all.

[Cheese]

After much thread-inspired searching, I found a cartridge-shaped lump behind the padding in my old Gameboy case, which turned out to be my Gold, Silver, AND Blue versions :shock:

Gold won't remember the time, and Silver won't remember anything (Started new game, saved, and it was gone after I turned the game off). I assume it's the internal battery. Is there some way to replace, recharge, or otherwise repair them?

Oddly, Blue (the oldest) still works just fine.

this was the best instruction I could find in a short time. Oddly, none of my batteries have ever died. But I've done this for a friend, and can attest that it does work.

...THANK YOU. I've got a couple of games kicking about that suffer from dead batteryness, but it never ocurred to me to just look up a simple way to change them.

On signature moves: Porygon came with three (Conversion, Conversion2 and Sharpen), Beedrill had Twineedle, Ratatta and Raticate had Hyper Fang and Super Fang, Oddish, Gloom and Vileplume had Petal Dance... there were actually quite a lot of pokémon (or pokémon families) with signature moves, several of which haven't changed yet.

[lorenith]

Bidoof/Bibarel can learn hyper fang now, bidoof, bibarel, and pachirasu can learn super fang, poor rattata/raticate must be pissed to lose their unique attacks.

Speaking of bidoof.

Bidoof and Bibarel exasperate me for whatever reason, everytime I run into them (and they are like EVERYWHERE) I can't help but sigh.

I guess I never really consider these pokemon and their unique moves, because most of them are pokemon I hate, or pokemon that haven't appealed to me enough to train. Or they're moves that I fail at making good use of (Porygons, cause I like Porygon quite a bit, but at the age I was when playing the games with Porygons easily gotten in them I couldn't fathom the use of conversion).

Even considering the ones that do have unique moves there aren't many by a long shot, and I still think it's a little well...overly hyper to freak out and go 'Gee Willikers this pokemon has mortar in it's name and doesn't have a mortar attack!'

[ACU-LP]

Indeed I may have overreacted a bit.
I have added some new optionables to my team; that of exeggutor, aerodactyl, umbreon (I remember it was one of the annoying pokemon to take down in GSC elite four) and electabuzz. A little bit of variety, and a little bit more dragonish/fossil.

[Mane]

I should have left it at "How often do they give even Legendary pokemon attacks unique only to themselves?" Since it seems to be half and half between them all.

Technically, the only truly unique moves are Sketch and Chatter, because all other moves can be copied by Sketch, except Sketch and Chatter.

[ACU-LP]

*looks up chatter*
Wow. That is one truly screwed up, yet innovative use of the DS, move. However, I cant help but see everyone screaming at the top of their lungs into their DS's. Hmmm.

[Gelsamel]

qinwamascot: I said aesthetics . Azelf looks stupid as hell, and Gardevoir is awesome. I don't really play competitively, I just like the pokemon I do have to be decenlty EV trained and with decent movesets etc.

[lorenith]

*looks up chatter*
Wow. That is one truly screwed up, yet innovative use of the DS, move. However, I cant help but see everyone screaming at the top of their lungs into their DS's. Hmmm.

I could never talk loud enough to record something neat in chatter T_T

I wanted my chat-ot to go PEWPEWPEW, curse my small voice!

[ACU-LP]

It doesnt sound exactly like what you say anyway; they put a distortion unit into the attack so that the game wouldnt reproduce a noise such as 'fuck'. They actually thought about it before putting the function in.

[Mane]

*looks up chatter*
Wow. That is one truly screwed up, yet innovative use of the DS, move. However, I cant help but see everyone screaming at the top of their lungs into their DS's. Hmmm.

I wish they had included more innovation with D+P+P, I mean, Look at LoZ:PH, that had innovation coming out it's butt.

[lorenith]

It doesnt sound exactly like what you say anyway; they put a distortion unit into the attack so that the game wouldnt reproduce a noise such as 'fuck'. They actually thought about it before putting the function in.

You don't need to tell me I own the bloody game, the point is that if I try to record for it at all it gets silence because I'm not loud enough.

[Cheese]

I should have left it at "How often do they give even Legendary pokemon attacks unique only to themselves?" Since it seems to be half and half between them all.

Technically, the only truly unique moves are Sketch and Chatter, because all other moves can be copied by Sketch, except Sketch and Chatter.

...possibly not, and here's my theory as to why:

You need one pokémon with Mimic as its only move (I'll call this one "One"), and one pokémon with Sketch as its only move (which I'm calling "Two"). Both owned by different trainers, in a PVP battle.

On the first turn, One (with Mimic) uses it, and randomly gains one of Two's attacks - as Two's attacks consist of Sketch and nothing else, One learns Sketch temporarily. Two uses Sketch, to gain Mimic as their only move. Next round, One uses Sketch (the move copied with Mimic), and as Sketch was the last move used, One learns Sketch permanently. Two then takes their turn, and One's trainer switches out One for another pokémon so the battle can finish. I've not tried it as of yet, largely because there's nobody with a working copy of G/S/C for me to test my Crystal with at the moment.

[qinwamascot]

qinwamascot: I said aesthetics .

Does not register. (lol) Is that actually fun; I never played like that so I wouldn't know.

Growlithe is playable, with the right moveset. Just not so much in the new versions. In RBY I have heard it was very good, and in GSC it was decent.
Also, I have heard that magmar has an evolution; that of magmortar. However, it lacks a 'mortar' attack. That is BS.

I think you mean Arcanine. Growlithe lacks the stats of Arcanine as well as several of its best options. Arcanine, though, is decent. It's actually gotten better since it can CB Flare Blitz STAB, which hurts a lot. But then the question is "is it any better than Infernape?" which, unfortunately, is no. No Swords Dance Hurts a lot. Extremespeed isn't a big enough bonus.

But that doesn't make it unplayable, just not standard.

Yeah cause it's so EASY to get Celebi, I don't know why I have Leafeon cause I don't think I've ever actually used him, at the time I thought it'd be neat to try out a plant type though as the only plant type I've ever liked is Venasaur and Torterra, and I still don't really enjoy them as much as other pokemon. I use Flygon because I like Flygon, as I mentioned before, I use mostly BL pokemon because that's where many of my pokemon likes fall so it shouldn't be that surprising that I happen to use Flygon

True. if you aren't really into competitive battling celebi isn't worth it. Unfortunately there aren't too many good grass types at all. So using a bad one is sometimes necessary. Roserade is another option, but if you'd prefer to stay with Leafeon, it's your choice i guess.

@qinwamascot: I have done this, so dont se me as being rude, but many the questions you have asked have been answered before-hand. Actually between my post that you referred to and and this one.
How in hell is dragonite an 'iffy' one?
Also, when I looked at a friends DP, their pokemon at level 100 had a good 20% less stats than mine, which were at level 90 something (despite being the same pokemon)

Dragonite is iffy because Salamence does practically everything better. But with Garchomp gone Outrage is sorta nice. Plus it can DD. So it's more niche. not iffy per se.

As for the stats, there are several explanations:
1) Your pokemon have better IVs. Your friend should consider IV breeding.
2) Your pokemon have better EVs. Your friend should consider EV training.
3) Your pokemon have better natures. Your friend should breed favorable natures.

If you really don't care about competition at all, then it won't make a big difference. But that extra point of HP or defense could win you an extra game that you would have lost otherwise. I usually use 4-perfect IV pokemon, but I've been known to force a 5th (on Gyrados, for example). In a few cases (like Rhyperior) 3 is acceptable, but in my opinion breeding fewer than that is just lazy. EV training really doesn't take a lot of time if you do it well, and you only have to do it once, so why not?

As for natures, these are pretty big. 10%, in fact. So I'd recommend that even casual players breed favorable natures. Don't accept a modest Gyrados or a Hasty Milotic. But this involves catching a ditto of each nature you need, so if you don't want to spend that time, it's understandable.

[Gelsamel]

Hey qin, It was mentioned ages ago in this thread and since you mentioned breeding I'm gunna bring up the question again.

I have bred like a thousand god damn garchomp eggs and like a million other eggs using Dittos with everstone and I still have not seen an adamant garchomp etc. So my question is.... what the fuck is up with that?

[lorenith]

Is the ditto adamant and the "mother" pokemon, and also from a game of the same language you are playing?

I had to breed FOREVER to get a Jolly trapinch, (and also a jolly sneasil), but I got them eventually.

I don't remember if I bred any of my other pokemon for natures or not.

[ACU-LP]

Nature breeding is a bitch, but you'll get your result eventually. Is ditto the only way you can breed a garchomp? Because the pokemon from the egg is effected by the stats of the parents. This was mentioned in one of the guides for GSC; with enough breeding with dragonites, you could get a not so sucky magikarp, and hence a very powerful gyarydos

[lorenith]

Ditto isn't the only way to do it, but he may have caught an adamant ditto, and breeding with the adamant ditto as the "mother" while holding an ever stone is way faster than breeding a million billion Gibles when one wants a certain nature, sounds like something isn't working somewhere in what he's doing though.

Gible is in the Monster and Dragon egg group, so it can breed with any pokemon in those groups, no special hold items required.

[ACU-LP]

But then you have that ever returning trade-off; convenience for potential strength

[lorenith]

/sigh

No, "potential strength" is being gained or lost unless you're looking at their base stats which has nothing to do with the stats of the pokemon hatched. When you breed for strong pokemon you look at the IV, not the base stats. All pokemon have their own individual unique IV's for their stats that are a number between 1 and 30. (IV=individual value)

The fact that he is using a ditto (if indeed he is) for the right nature won't really hurt his pokemons IV's unless the ditto has poor ones to start with, in which case I doubt he cares, because once he has an adamant Gibble that is female he can give it an everstone and start IV breeding to try to select for better IV's, and with a disposition towards having an adamant nature. Which is far easier than breeding a million gibbles for nature, and then breeding a million more for IVs.

His end product if he does want to IV train can still end up with 30's in all stats, even if he originally started breeding with a ditto. A 30 in all IV's+EV training to suit the pokemons uses/move set means a pokemon at the maximum potential strength.

And in case you are wondering what an EV is, it means effort value, these are earned depending on what kind of pokemon you fight (for example x pokemon gives 2 effort points in strength). This value doesn't often becoem obvious till later in it's "life" though, when you start getting things like +5's in the stats you placed effort points into.

[Gelsamel]

I caught the ditto myself and it is the 'mother'. Maybe I jut have RNG problems...

As for IV breeding, I found a calm ditto with 31 Sp.Def IVs (or 30, I forget) a while back too bad I'll probably never use a calm pokemon.