My Pokemanz, let me show you them...

[hideki101]

The way bred pokemon's IVs work out is that they take one IV from their father, one from their mother, and one from a random parent. the remaining three are randomized again. Also, putting an everstone on the father won't pass on the nature, only the mother or ditto can pass on natures. As a general rule, amles pass on moves, and an IV, while females pass on species type, an IV and, if holding an everstone, nature.

Another way to get a pokemon with a certain nature is to have a pokemon such as ralts or abra who know synchronize in the first slot of your belt. If the synchronizer has an adamant nature, 50% of the pokemon you encounter in the wild will have that nature. This even applies to one-time only pokemon. I caught all of my high IV dittos this way; a fainted synchroer, MANY repels and the pokeradar.

[lorenith]

I guess if you wanted to make a special wall that uses special attacks a calm nature would be good, but I dunno. Maybe that guy with a rubix cube in his icon can give better insight for that.

[Gelsamel]

Well, I could make a Calm 31 SpDef Blissey with it, but Blissey are boring, ugly and stupid.

[lethesoda]

Growlithe is playable, with the right moveset. Just not so much in the new versions. In RBY I have heard it was very good, and in GSC it was decent.
Also, I have heard that magmar has an evolution; that of magmortar. However, it lacks a 'mortar' attack. That is BS.

I think it's more the fact that it can be evolved, I used to play with unevolved pokemon in Yellow, but that just goes to show how easy the game is. But I dunno Arcanine is way cooler than Growlithe is. With the addition of the battle tower and stuff, it's a lot harder to get away with weak unevolved pokemon, that is if you want to play in the battle tower.

I have comment for the second half of your post as it's very head deskerific.

I'm only at Blackthorne at the moment, so my team's only at lv30. :p When Growlithe learns Flamethrower, I'll breed another with Flamethrower and evolve it to learn Extremespeed.

[ACU-LP]

I havnt played in a while, so I may be wrong, but I think the move you're looking for is fire blast. At level 40.

[lorenith]

I havnt played in a while, so I may be wrong, but I think the move you're looking for is fire blast. At level 40.

No he isn't, growlithe and arcanine only learn fire blast through TM, or breeding (not sure on the breeding but I think so), and it's not a very desirable move compared to flamethrower.


Oooh it kind of stinks, you have to wait till lv 50 before it'll learn flamethrower in G/S lethesoda

Good luck having the patience for that, and then breeding

[Joeldi]

Please don't laugh me out of this thread after I've said this...

I'm not a serious player. Some day in the distant future, I'd like to complete my Crystal pokedex (192 so far) and will probably never pick up a Pokemon game again. My question is: how the hell do all you serious players find the time and the good damned patience to breed all those pokemon and train all those pokemon to lvl 100. Every time I breed something, it took ages for an egg to arrive, and even longer than that for it to hatch, and raising to lvl 100, well, my highest is lvl 65...how do you people do it?

[ACU-LP]

Once you've beaten the elite four once, you can keep beating them up. Acutally, I have very few lvl 100 pokemon. It helps if the pokemon really like each other (for breeding).
Also, I have never been able to get even close to filling the pokedex.

[EeveE]

Once you've beaten the elite four once, you can keep beating them up. Acutally, I have very few lvl 100 pokemon. It helps if the pokemon really like each other (for breeding).
Also, I have never been able to get even close to filling the pokedex.

Actually the two pokemon that hated eachother always breed the quickest of all of my Eevees...

[Gelsamel]

If they say that they "don't show interest" then they won't breed. The Depending on how much he says they like eachother it basically changes the chance that they'll have an egg every set amount of steps (I think it's around 250 or so), so every set amount of sets it'll roll a dice, and whether it falls in the range or not will determine if an egg is made. The better they like eachother the better the range. I think the best one is something like 75% chance every so many steps to get an egg.

[ACU-LP]

Also, pokemon from different trainers plays a factor. And in GSC, if their avatar is the same (when you're looking at your party), that also apparently is a factor.
@EeveE: Sometimes you just get lucky, I guess.

[lorenith]

Please don't laugh me out of this thread after I've said this...

I'm not a serious player. Some day in the distant future, I'd like to complete my Crystal pokedex (192 so far) and will probably never pick up a Pokemon game again. My question is: how the hell do all you serious players find the time and the good damned patience to breed all those pokemon and train all those pokemon to lvl 100. Every time I breed something, it took ages for an egg to arrive, and even longer than that for it to hatch, and raising to lvl 100, well, my highest is lvl 65...how do you people do it?

I dunno about earlier games, but when you're talking *just* EV training, it can be done very quickly with the right items+pokevirus. In earlier games (that have the item) I know the macho brace could be used (doubles EV's earned from a battle). They added more items that do stuff like that in D/P, and also pokegear apps that make it easier to breed and stuff. (one app for example shows a picture of the two pokemon in the day care, and if they lay an egg it'll pop up and tell you so you don't have to keep going back unsure if they laid an egg or not). If you have a magcargo or a magmar (I think) in your party with eggs they also decrease the number of steps needed for eggs to hatch. What I did was have a party full of eggs and only a margcaro, then ride up and down the bike trail, or along the path near the day care since it is also a long strait trail.

Also pokevirus, I know it's hard to get, but people liked to pass it around to be helpful in training, pokevirus+macho brace means even more ev's gained per battle.

[lethesoda]

I havnt played in a while, so I may be wrong, but I think the move you're looking for is fire blast. At level 40.

No he isn't, growlithe and arcanine only learn fire blast through TM, or breeding (not sure on the breeding but I think so), and it's not a very desirable move compared to flamethrower.


Oooh it kind of stinks, you have to wait till lv 50 before it'll learn flamethrower in G/S lethesoda

Good luck having the patience for that, and then breeding

n-n; Actually just restarted my game after a friend told me about a trick to get all three starters. So, my current team (Pre-4th Gym) is around level 20-21 of Quilava, Bayleef, Croconaw, Noctowl, Pichu, and Sudowoodo.

[Gelsamel]

By the way, I figured out (myself, but I'm sure someone else has found this too) that you can check the nature of an egg before it hatches.

Place a hatched Pokemon with a Nature you know in one of your boxes in any particular spot. Then place the egg in the exact same spot in a box to the left or right of the box that the known pokemon is in. While in "Move" mode go over the known pokemon and watch the little window down the bottom, it will say it's type (say, Steel/Psychic) then will switch to Nature (Say... Adamant) if you time it right, JUST as the animation in the window is showing it switching to the nature (it's hard to time) press L or R to get to the box where the egg pokemon is. Watch the bottom window carefully, it will come up with the nature of the pokemon in the egg without having to hatch it.

[Gelsamel]

Double Post Bump...


So I started playing pokemon again recently.

I FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY got an adamant gibble, and straight after a timid gastly!

So I'm thinking about either.

Suicide Gengar (without counter :X) + Focus Sash
Swords Dance Weavile + Focus Sash
Super Effective Electivire + Expert Belt

For my Battle Tower team (I honestly don't like teams of 6, and I could never be bothered making one).

Problems I foresee (disclaimer: I've never done much competitive battling also I don't know off the top of my head the weaknesses to elements, nor the moves that enemies can have... sooooooo... there is probably a lot more I'm missing).

Hail/Sandstorm will fuck up two of my pokemon although hopefully I'd be able to take out tyranitar/abomasnow anyway. I'm not sure how big not having counter will be.

Otherwise Suicide Gengar seems to fuck up the BT. Also considering putting Weavile first instead just in case they do have weather effects somewhere in their group, I'd like to get off a swords dance. Whereas if I do gengar first it's possible that if the 1st doesn't weather it up then someone later in will and if gengar goes down with whether then Weavile is half as useful. If I do Weavile first and there is weather then it just as bad as gengar first, but if there isn't weather at first then weavile goes down and there is weather then gengar is still decently useful.

Hum... that last paragraph was badly structured, but what ever - you get what I mean.

Other possible team:

Suicide Gengar (again without counter) + Focus Sash.
Dragon Dance Tyranitar (once I get off my ass to get adamant+DD in there) + Leftovers
Garchomp + Choice Band (I'm not sure how useful scarf will be in BT...)

But this team will take more work on my part, and I don't exactly like using evasion hax or ubers.

As for EV spreads, they'll probably all be standard 252/252/6 spreads in main offensive/speed/hp. Movesets will be pretty standard, although I don't have access to any tutor moves from E/R/S nor do I have access to any breeding moves that require tutors or pokemon that are extremely difficult for me to get (dongle pokemon, pal park pokemon).

Any suggestions?

[ACU-LP]

I have no idea about DP, but I would definitely keep gengar, but I dont know about the suicide tactics; I'd go for the sleep them, then eat them tactic as no items are allowed. DEFINITELY put tyranitar in, that thing is a damage soak and a powerhouse for damage.

[Gelsamel]

Gengar's strat is to hypnosis+bash into things with shadowball/thunderbolt, when he gets low, or if focus sash saves him I destiny bond the enemy. This way Gengar often has essentially guaranteed 2 kills.

[ACU-LP]

Indeed. I'm guessing that focus sash is the equivalent of focus band in earlier version, i.e. like a 'sometimes' endure effect.
Am I the only one that likes giving interesting moves to a pokemon? Not necessarily for power, but more for suprise. Such as a typhlosion with thunderpunch, dig, a normal fire move, and something else.

[Gelsamel]

It's pretty standard to give lots of different moves to sweepers for good coverage.

In fact, it's pretty stupid to have Fire Blast, Flame Thrower, Fire Spin and Ember...


Non-standard sets are usually Special attacks (Thunder bolt/Ice bolt/etc.) on Physical sweepers (Say, an Electivire with Thunderbolt instead of punch) or physical attacks on special sweepers. They often do okay and can surprise the enemy thinking it's going to come out with a physical attack and instead it's a special and you own their physical wall.

Edit: Oh yeah, Focus Sash is like Focus band or what ever but it always works, but only if you're at full HP. Also, Focus band still exists, it's just not all that reliable because it's based on random chance so I don't think many peeps use it.

Ie.

I send out Gengar.
Enemy sends out Tyranitar.
Gengar uses Hypnosis, Misses.
Tyranitar uses crunch, but since Gengar starts at 100% hp and has Focus Sash he is guaranteed to hold on with 1 HP and so doesn't die from crunch.
Instead Gengar dies from motherfucking sandstorm damage.


Or I send out Gengar.
Enemy sends out what ever.
Gengar uses hypnosis or what ever, and it doesn't kill the enemy.
What ever uses an attack Gengar is weak too and Gengar holds on with 1hp.
Gengar uses Destiny Bond
Enemy kills Gengar, Enemy dies.

[ACU-LP]

Good tactics. I need to get away from just brutally beating my opponent to death tactics. Hence why I chose a crobat; poison fang them (which I have been getting the effect for damn near every time recently), which does a small amount of damage, but has the chance of doing a 'toxic' to your opponent. Then swithching to tyranitar and watching their health whittle away from a sandstorm and toxic poisoning. And hazing is suprisingly handy.
Damn, now I want focus sash.
Also, I know with the unusual stuff, but what I meant was not just placing a physical on a special, but rather, putting some absurd move onto a pokemon that really shouldnt be able to learn it, just because it shouldnt be able to. It just seems fun.

[Gelsamel]

Another set I could use for Gengar would be Dual Status, Hypnosis+Will-O-Wisp w/ Wide Lens... but I think suicide Gengar is more useful for BT.

[ACU-LP]

You can sleep and burn something now?
Damn....I really need to look into getting a ds and DP.
Is there a new version of the ds coming out any time soon?

[Gelsamel]

You can sleep and burn something now?
Damn....I really need to look into getting a ds and DP.
Is there a new version of the ds coming out any time soon?

No you can't sleep and burn stuff at the same time. But the idea is to just status effect the other team up. Chuck Will-O-Wisp on any physical sweepers and some hypnosis here and there and wreak havok in their team, while hopefully taking out some of them as well.

[ACU-LP]

You can sleep and burn something now?
Damn....I really need to look into getting a ds and DP.
Is there a new version of the ds coming out any time soon?

No you can't sleep and burn stuff at the same time. But the idea is to just status effect the other team up. Chuck Will-O-Wisp on any physical sweepers and some hypnosis here and there and wreak havok in their team, while hopefully taking out some of them as well.

And there was me planning evil status combos.

[michaelandjimi]

I have Sapphire version. I quite like it. I don't play competitively or anything, but I've got a decent amount of Secret Bases around that are good for training, so I've got a bunch of Lv 100s. I'm not very familiar with the sneaky competitive strategy or anything, I've just found Pokemon that I like or have good stuff to do.

My team is consisting of:
Articuno (Because of Mind Reader + Sheer Cold)
Ninjask (Amazing Speed, Easy Stat Boosts for Baton Passing)
Rhydon (Someone to Baton Pass onto)
Skarmory (Spikes and Roar, not to mention I wanted a Steel Type)
Dunsparce (Serene Grace)
And I was thinking of getting a Starmie. I got an Ampharos, but it's not really that good.

Eh. Type Advantages seem to be slightly lacking, but whatever. I still have my Legendaries and Starters and my amazing Delcatty.

[Gelsamel]

Ninjask is hot. I am thinking of training one up for fun.

[michaelandjimi]

You're telling me. Speed Boost and Swords Dance = Stat Heaven, especially considering mine's already got a speed of something like 370 without any favourable nature.

[Cynical Idealist]

You can sleep and burn something now?
Damn....I really need to look into getting a ds and DP.
Is there a new version of the ds coming out any time soon?

DSi:
JP November 1, 2008
EU Spring 2009
AUS Autumn 2009
NA TBA 2009 (after April)
So...define "soon"

[lorenith]

Just remember if you get a DSI you can't transport pokemon from advanced games to D/P through pal park since they're removing the GBA slot.

[fishyfish777]

Argh, still stuck in the Sapphire era >.> Beat everything from Blue/Red to Sapphire. So I have no idea whatsoever...


I switched from Pokemanz games to Counter-Strike and the like when I was around 10.
Seems like I suck at a FPS the more I get into it, the first time I play it, 1st in rankings, then my score slips to the middle.

[Joeldi]

I'm vaguely interested in learning what exactly Damage Soaks, Sweepers etc do. Is there an faq or something somewhere? I was suprised Bulbapedia had nothing.

[Gelsamel]

In general a sweeper is a pokemon who is designed to take out many of the opposing team's pokemon. Thus "sweeping" the team.

The idea of physical walls/special walls is to switch in to attacks that the sweepers are weak too so that your sweeper doesn't die.

Then there are stuff like Tanks, which are pokemon who can take hits and also dish hits (but not as well we others can sweep/wall) Spikers (Laying down spikes/toxic-spikes or stealth rocks) Spinners (pokemon who rapid spin spikes/rocks etc. away) Hazers (pokemon who use haze, or pseudohazing moves like roar), you also have baton passers (pokemon who stat-up then baton pass to a sweeper)

Thats all I remember off the top of my head, and I don't make teams of 6 (only really make BT teams) so I don't really use anything past sweepers and maybe a wall.

[hideki101]

I'm vaguely interested in learning what exactly Damage Soaks, Sweepers etc do. Is there an faq or something somewhere? I was suprised Bulbapedia had nothing.

There are also supporters, who use moves like light screen, reflect, trick room, and wish to help your own team.

Most pokemon find their way into each category due to their stats, but movesets have a lot to do with them too: For example Metagross (high attack/def, low spd) is normally regarded as a tank, but it can learn agility, which boosts its speed up into sweeper territory (generally sweepers have high atk/spd).

[ACU-LP]

I'm vaguely interested in learning what exactly Damage Soaks, Sweepers etc do. Is there an faq or something somewhere? I was suprised Bulbapedia had nothing.

There are also supporters, who use moves like light screen, reflect, trick room, and wish to help your own team.

Most pokemon find their way into each category due to their stats, but movesets have a lot to do with them too: For example Metagross (high attack/def, low spd) is normally regarded as a tank, but it can learn agility, which boosts its speed up into sweeper territory (generally sweepers have high atk/spd).

And furthering the idea mentioned with metagross, pokemon like tyranitar have speed as their lowest stat (granted, its still higher than many other pokemon), and both due to type and defense/spdefense/hp are considered walls, yet due to very good movesets and attack/spattack stats, can be used as sweepers.
There are also pokemon just used to piss your opponent off / make them waste valuable pp. I.e. a shedinja with full evasion stats armed with wonderguard (only super effective moves can hit), and sand attack/other accuracy reducing moves. Add toxic to one of those buggers and watch them squirm to hit you as they die from poison. It has crap attack/spattack, 1 HP and hence bad defense/spdefense, but due to wonderguard, can be the most infuriating little bugger.

[ParanoidDrone]

Except that damaging weather, status, recoil, and Spikes/Stealth Rock bypass Wonder Guard completely. =/

[michaelandjimi]

Who's going to put a move with recoil on Shedinja? Seriously?

And Spikes can be dealt with pretty easily if there is a Pokemon with Rapid Spin. But the other two are worrisome.

[lorenith]

Wonder Guard isn't that annoying, Shedinja has a lot of weaknesses, on top of all the weather and statsing paranoiddrone mentioned, most people have enough move diversity to easily kill one.

Or to quote smogon.

Let’s go through the complete list of everything that can kill Shedinja.

Fire / Flying / Dark / Ghost / Rock moves, non-Fighting / Normal attacks from a Mold Breaker Pokémon, Poison, Burn, Leech Seed, Confusion damage, Sandstorm, Hail, Spikes / Stealth Rock, Nightmare, Darkrai’s Bad Dreams, Life Orb recoil, Double-Edge recoil, Struggle, Struggle recoil, Destiny Bond, Perish Song, Aftermath, Rough Skin, Future Sight / Doom Desire, Ghost-type Curse, Jaboca/Rowap Berry recoil, and absorbing health against a Pokémon with Liquid Ooze.

[michaelandjimi]

Yeah, I agree. I just was confused about why he put recoil damage in and I figured I might as well not stop there.

[Gelsamel]

The bigger problem with shedinja is when my Gardevoir Traces your Wonder Guard.

[ACU-LP]

The bigger problem with shedinja is when my Gardevoir Traces your Wonder Guard.

That is an interesting combo. Or if you have a pokemon with the ability stealing move.
I didnt know wonderguard was so fallible.