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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:51 pm UTC

Judging by the Israeli response and Congress, The boycotts aren't nothing. Nobody pushes a ban just for the heck of it. Well besides Trump.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby SDK » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:48 pm UTC

ucim wrote:A boycott is ultimately just a bunch of people not buying stuff. I'm not even sure how one would prohibit a boycott. Force people to buy stuff?

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If you read the article linked, it's talking about the states refusing to do business with certain companies if those companies are boycotting Israel. It's not talking about individuals.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby ucim » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:40 pm UTC

SDK wrote:If you read the article linked, it's talking about the states refusing to do business with certain companies if those companies are boycotting Israel. It's not talking about individuals.
Same thing. Boycotts don't have to be by individuals - they can be individual entities ("legal persons")... the idea being that if they act as a group they have clout. However it is the individual (persons/corporations/states) that are doing the doing (or the not doing), which is something they have the right to do (or not do).

Do they not?

So in essence, the states are boycotting companies that boycott Israel. Looks like it's working as designed.

(Note - I'm taking no position on the underlying issue - just on the idea of making a boycott illegal.)

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:43 pm UTC

Chen wrote:National origin is generally one of the protected classes
It is in America as well, but nation of residence, employment, or operations aren't. Political issues aside, discrimination along those classes needs to be permitted for logistical and legal issues.

Politics not aside, it's not discrimination for people having political views, but for their actual (or at least alleged) actions. Discriminating against individuals for their actions is universally accepted. Discrimination against groups for their actions isn't ideal, but sometimes practicality makes that necessary; the key question is how much sense does it make to think of the group having collective agency (for example is considered fine to discriminate against a corporation for it's corporate policy, because that's totally something that can be deliberately changed).
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby addams » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:15 pm UTC

Yep.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby sardia » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:06 am UTC

Probably the same line as why the voting rights act was struck down. "That's in the past, don't need it now". Very short sighted at best, disgraceful at worst.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Coyne » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:48 am UTC

ucim wrote:A boycott is ultimately just a bunch of people not buying stuff. I'm not even sure how one would prohibit a boycott. Force people to buy stuff?

Jose

You are correct, it can't be done. You have to keep the very idea of a boycott from sprouting and spreading. That is why why it is so "important" to go after the people who promote or incite boycotts. Just like you go after people who promote or incite anti-oil, anti-sugar or anti-slaughter boycotts. And, I might add, with what I think to be just as much legality, here in the US (none).
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby ucim » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:21 am UTC

Coyne wrote:That is why why it is so "important" to go after the people who promote or incite boycotts. Just like you go after people who promote or incite anti-oil, anti-sugar or anti-slaughter boycotts.
It might be effective, but that doesn't make a boycott right or wrong. (I think we are in agreement here.) It's a technique used to apply pressure, and that pressure can resist evil just as well as it can promulgate it.

It's like free speech.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby EveBladence » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:15 am UTC

Whatever your politics on the Israeli/Palestinian issue, this executive order is clearly unconstitutional as it prevents US citizens from engaging in free political speech. Boycotting has been used by US citizens as a means to protest for civil rights, protest the actions of companies that we don’t agree, even the South Africa’s apartheid system. Contrary the the governors assertion, the BDS movement is not racist against Israelis or the Jewish faith, the a movement protesting the near apartheid conditions that exist between Israel and the Palestinians. It is a US citizens right to protest in the manner we see fit so long as it isn’t violent. Our government should not be putting our constitutional rights behind their support of Israel.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Soupspoon » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:03 am UTC

Can one boycott the states who wish to boycott the boycotters? Could another boycott one who does?

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Dauric » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:59 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:Can one boycott the states who wish to boycott the boycotters? Could another boycott one who does?

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Boycotts, it's boycotts all the way down.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby ucim » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:14 pm UTC

And where are the girlcotts in all of this? Another case of (e)mail domination?

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:18 pm UTC

ObsessoMom wrote:I can't help thinking that these anti-BDS laws are trying to preemptively undercut effective tactics like those.
I think the anti-BDS people all assume that the BDS people are insincere in their motivations.

For my part, I think they sincerely believe the other side is insincere in their beliefs.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby gd1 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:17 am UTC

AIPAC taking all but 3 freshmen Congresspeople to Israel.

Note: Above linked article is not reputable due to bias. See articles further on below for other examples.

I actually wonder why. Is it for the reason stated by the article? Is it for other reasons? Some combination of these?
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby natraj » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:37 am UTC

that's literally not all but 3 freshmen congresspeople that's ~50 of the freshmen congresspersons and there are over 100 freshmen in congress since last election like why lie about something so blatantly easily disproven?

more bizarrely, why include those three on the list when also like... 40some others are also not going.

eta: oh, nevermind, i see, it's because you're posting an article from 2015 as if this is news. did obama being president not tip you off?
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby gd1 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:35 am UTC

It happens every so often.
Another article from this year to corroborate.

I assumed that other one would be something to talk about.
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:02 am UTC

You are pulling from mondoweiss. Stay away from the webshites.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby gd1 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:26 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:You are pulling from mondoweiss. Stay away from the webshites.


What is mondoweiss?

Also, the term for websites... have to work that into a html conversation someday...
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:36 am UTC

Uh... the website YOU linked to a few posts back. It's biased to the point of worthlessness.

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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby gd1 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:54 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:Uh... the website YOU linked to a few posts back. It's biased to the point of worthlessness.


I'll have to keep that in mind. I hope the other ones are more reputable?
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Re: The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:01 pm UTC

I don't know if they are, but I know I don't know they are not. So, maybe?


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