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Deadpool 2

Postby charliepanayi » Thu May 17, 2018 6:58 pm UTC

It's out, discuss and stuff.
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Re: Deadpool 2

Postby SecondTalon » Thu May 17, 2018 7:31 pm UTC

Since you’re violating High Culture rule #3, we’ll start.

Ryan Reynolds is directly responsible for the death of a black woman by knowingly forcing her to perform a stunt she stated she was not comfortable performing.
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Re: Deadpool 2

Postby Xenomortis » Thu May 17, 2018 8:34 pm UTC

I can't find any reference to Joi Harris stating she was not comfortable attempting the stunt that ended her life, nor that she was forced, and none saying Reynolds was responsible for hiring her.
I can find plenty saying she wasn't qualified and that another, more experienced, stuntwoman was ready and willing.
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Re: Deadpool 2

Postby Zohar » Thu May 17, 2018 9:47 pm UTC

In any case, I am really not interested in it. I thought the first Deadpool was really overhyped and trying way too hard to be funny. I don't expect the second one to be much better.
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Re: Deadpool 2

Postby charliepanayi » Fri May 18, 2018 6:48 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:Since you’re violating High Culture rule #3, we’ll start.

Ryan Reynolds is directly responsible for the death of a black woman by knowingly forcing her to perform a stunt she stated she was not comfortable performing.


Do you actually have evidence/a citation for this? Because it's a pretty big deal to accuse someone of manslaughter and I've not seen anything suggesting that Reynolds is to blame in the slightest. It certainly sounded like negligence on the part of the studio (and director) though.
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Re: Deadpool 2

Postby SecondTalon » Fri May 18, 2018 8:26 pm UTC

Do you have a first post that can conform to the rules?

Ryan is a producer and it’s well established how much he cares for the character.

Producers ignored all concerns that she wasn’t ready and had her do it anyway.

Sure, he’s no John Landis, but he bears responsibility.
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Re: Deadpool 2

Postby OP Tipping » Sat May 19, 2018 10:10 am UTC

In a world where trailers usually include the best jokes in the movie, it's refreshing to find a situation where the best jokes in the trailers aren't even in the movie.

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Re: Deadpool 2

Postby Tyndmyr » Mon May 21, 2018 4:38 pm UTC

Pretty good film, in my opinion. The post-credit scenes were especially amusing. For those of you wondering how long to wait, there are five scenes in total, but they're mostly back to back. After the sequence, there are no additional scenes post credits, though the music is amusing.

Agree that the trailer doesn't spoil the film.

As for blaming the death of the stuntwoman on Ryan Reynolds, ehhh. It does appear as though those around her saw her as not ready for the stunt. That said, stunts of this nature do have some risk, and it seems reasonable to attribute responsibility to a number of individuals who are not Ryan Reynolds as well. I don't see anything indicating that Ryan was particularly involved in "forcing" her to do this stunt, so that accusation seems a bit trumped up.

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Re: Deadpool 2

Postby mosc » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:01 pm UTC

Spoiler:
It wasn't really that good. They went to the well too many times. You can only break the third wall so many times before the narrative itself becomes disjointed. Baby legged deadpool was hilarious, I nearly couldn't watch the critical reveal because of tears in my eyes but a lot of the gags were cringe worthy.

Honestly trying to commit suicide to be with your girlfriend in the afterlife is about as bad a plot point as green lantern deserving the ring over the villain because he was chosen. Maybe he should have gone back and shot the person who came up with that in the post-credit scene.

Basically it pushed things a little too much and damaged it's own superhero frame. The stuff about child abusers getting summary execution because "you can just tell" should have been flushed out over gruesome death jokes of his hero squad or suicide dreams. It could have been better with the rule of law morality of the xmen butting directly against the executioner of evil and Deadpool having to learn some moderation through the lens of trying to protect the kid from becoming a super-villain.

I dunno, good parts for sure. Left dissapointed
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Re: Deadpool 2

Postby Tyndmyr » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:58 pm UTC

Spoiler:
Deadpool being a bit suicidal is canon, though. Comedy and tragedy go well together. There's always some really dark elements underlying and grounding the wacky comedy.

Ultimately, Deadpool is not a hero. Nor does he become a hero, exactly. He's an enjoyable mercernary, but he's not ever going to be a superhero from a moral perspective. He needs to stay a rogue third element, not become a member of the X-men. So, from a doylist perspective, that attempt *had* to fail, not be the start of Deadpool overcoming his flaws.

Him solving legitimate problems in a hyper-lethal fashion was a very character-appropriate way to make that fail.

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Re: Deadpool 2

Postby cephalopod9 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:39 pm UTC

As a franchise, it way over hypes the subversive, not-a-conventional-super-hero etc. aspect. They're very conventional film narratives, and that particular comic book trope is especially groan worthy.
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how do you go digging for comic nerd in jokes, and fail to learn about "fridging"? it's like the third most Comic Book Story thing ever, after dead parents and "bit by a radio-active x" ughh
The rift between what's "edgy" and what is actually disruptive to the status quo and challenging is so massive. There's all the schlocky violence, and digs at other movies, it's naughty, but there's nothing that's got any real weight to it.

It does succeed in being funny and charming, and I partly want to re-watch it because it's got moments that are kinda, Starship Troopers, very dry satire. There's definitely a few stealth jokes in there.

But I also don't want to watch it ever again because that's just more time to think about how T. J. Miller is in this.
it's weird where the public at large/ the media at large decides to acknowledge shitty people's shittiness, like, in between when it was reported T. J. Miller assaulted an ex girlfriend, and when he called in a bomb threat to SWAT a random lady on the subway there was a real weird The Late Show appearance by Jimmy O. Yang to say "eh, T.J. is leaving Silicon Valley and working on other projects , and we're... friends :? "
I don't know, there's probably a big heap of legal restrictions on what the movie can do with a performance already filmed and what not, but it still makes a lot of the movies themes ring all the more bland and hollow.

And oh yeah, their dumb movie killed someone.
that sucks.

The recurring message about how "being a "hero" is messy and ugly" coulda had about 8000% more punch if they also took a moment to do the ugly and messy work apologizing, and calling out negligence in the industry, and shitty behavior.


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