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Comic books go here (or did, before there was a subforum)

Postby Rodan » Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:09 pm UTC

I'm assuming discussions of comic books and graphic novels go here? I've always considered them as books and if you guys say they aren't included in the "high culture" board then I'll be really pissed.
Apologies if this question goes elsewhere/has been asked...

(EDIT, from the future: >Sigh<...)
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Postby Belial » Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:24 pm UTC

Dude. Consider who admins these boards. Do you think I'm gonna tell you you can't discuss comics in the high culture board?
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Postby Rodan » Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:25 pm UTC

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Postby Belial » Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:26 pm UTC

More to the point, I just spent 60 bucks on comics yesterday on a total whim, and read them in a single afternoon.

Comics are yes.
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Postby Rodan » Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:34 pm UTC

This is why these forums are awesome.

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Postby Bakemaster » Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:00 pm UTC

I much enjoyed the manga Parasyte when it came out. It was sorta different. Anyone else read it?
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Postby Castaway » Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:15 pm UTC

No, what's it about? I haven't seen a new manga series in so long...
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Postby Belial » Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:11 pm UTC

Castaway wrote:I haven't seen a new manga series in so long...


In that case, may I also recommend "Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service"?
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Postby Dark Ragnarok » Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:17 pm UTC

Besides net DLs, is there any english release of Elfen Lied?

ad does anyone know if Redrum 327 has more than one book out translates?

(not the best series but curious)

actually i been looking for more manga t read.

So far I'm screwing around with Negima! because i enjoyed the show and wonder how the manga compares, and then reading Samurai Deeper Kyo.

Any others that aren't mainstream i can tune into?

Anyone else like Berserk? it's soo good (from what i can see released in manga form)

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Postby Bakemaster » Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:13 pm UTC

Castaway wrote:No, what's it about? I haven't seen a new manga series in so long...

Basically, an alien parasite takes over the protagonist's left arm; other alien parasites just kind of eat whole people; the protagonist alternately battles the other ones, runs away from them, and has sometimes hilarious discussions with the one that took over his left hand. If you're coming to the meetup you can find most of the 12 volumes at the Somerville Public Library, unless someone has them out.
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Postby Vaniver » Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:15 pm UTC

Semi-related question. Is it worth it to get webcomic collections? I've already read them all, and if I want to reread them it's easier to do so online. But, the idea of having an OotS or Girl Genius book on my shelf is attractive (I collect books).
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Postby Jesse » Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:20 pm UTC

I get them. I have Beaver & Steve, Housd, Stuff Sucks and Scary Go Round collections (Incidentally, all signed by their respective authors). There is somethign about owning a comic in print format.

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Postby Belial » Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:38 pm UTC

Usually, the authors are aware that you can get their comic for free, and include extras to make it worth your while. Notes and asides and such.

I know the OotS collection for the period when Haley was talking all mixed-up-like have the decrypted dialogue printed in footnotes.
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Postby Jesse » Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:41 pm UTC

Also, before I forget to recommend it. Black Hole was one of my first real 'Graphic Novels' as opposed to a mainstream superhero comic. A bit strange at times, but I love it.

Synopsis:
Set in the suburbs of Seattle during the mid-1970s the book follows a group of mostly middle class teenagers who over the summer contract a mysterious sexually transmitted disease known as "the Bug" or "the teen plague", which causes them to develop bizarre physical mutations, turning them into social outcasts. Some take shelter in a suburban Tract home while the owners are away on vacation, while others with more visible deformities lurk in "The Pit", an encampment in the woods outside of town. The mutations are often considered a metaphor for AIDS, an illness that would ravage in the next decade (the 70s were often considered the height of the sexual revolution).[citation needed]

The look of the comic is meant to evoke the feel and atmosphere of classic 70s teen horror films like The Last House on the Left, Carrie and Halloween.[citation needed]

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Postby Castaway » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:27 am UTC

Belial wrote:
Castaway wrote:I haven't seen a new manga series in so long...


In that case, may I also recommend "Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service"?

Actually, I have been reading that. I prefer Mail though, which I think is the same mangaka. Vol 2 of Kurosagi was much better than 1; good thing I kept reading. Thank you though.

I love Samurai Deeper Kyo and Berserk, as far as I'm concerned, is a work of art. It's so beautiful. Death Note is one of the best comics I've ever read. Airgear is also entertaining and in quick release.
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Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:31 am UTC

The Maxx

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I have issues 1-12, 14, 21 and 25, as well as every MTV-produced episode on AVI (which is basically just scanned artwork from the comic, with only some of it put to motion). Maxx FTW.

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Postby Dark Ragnarok » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:36 am UTC

Castaway wrote:
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Castaway wrote:I haven't seen a new manga series in so long...


In that case, may I also recommend "Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service"?

Actually, I have been reading that. I prefer Mail though, which I think is the same mangaka. Vol 2 of Kurosagi was much better than 1; good thing I kept reading. Thank you though.

I love Samurai Deeper Kyo and Berserk, as far as I'm concerned, is a work of art. It's so beautiful. Death Note is one of the best comics I've ever read. Airgear is also entertaining and in quick release.


Damn i would read it, but I've already watched the entire series and both movies. and there's prolly not TOO many differences from the series.

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Postby Castaway » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:54 am UTC

Wait, you've seen both movies in english?! WHERE!? i just missed a screening in new york (i was out of town). I'd still read the manga. It is so wonderful. I've never seen the anime so I can't comment, but I've read a lot about the movies and I heard they cut out some key plot twists. I can't imagine the intricacies of the comic can be conveyed in the anime.
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Postby Dark Ragnarok » Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:21 am UTC

hahaha yea. Well watch some of it. and tell me what u think.


I torrented the movie. You can also buy them. They are out. I know because my friend had the first on DVD.

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Postby zomgmouse » Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:25 am UTC

Yay for Garfield.

Yay for Asterix and Obelix.

Yay for Tin Tin.

Yay for Batman Beyond.
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Postby Kawa » Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:36 am UTC

Things I've been enjoying:

xxxHolic
Kekkaishi (quite underappreciated; it's based off of the whole "onmyoji" idea, but with very sweet and interesting touches.)
Ghost in the Shell (the first, not the second.)
Death Note
Fullmetal Alchemist

And on an American note, Sandman.
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Postby Oort » Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:34 pm UTC

My favorite Manga is Death Note. I like how there's sort of actual detective work, not just a Scooby-Doo style story where they solve a case by unmasking a villain.

I also read American comics, mostly Marvel. Thy've had a bunch of big events recently (House of M, Decimation, Civil War, the Initiative, World War Hulk, Annihilation). Some of it is good, but I like a lot of older stuff more. Like Thor, I love the complex mythology they built up for him, a lot of it based in real Norse myths.

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Postby Belial » Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:47 pm UTC

My favorite Manga is Death Note. I like how there's sort of actual detective work, not just a Scooby-Doo style story where they solve a case by unmasking a villain.


Very yes.

Also, I would be remiss if I didn't mention my favorite marvel comic at the moment:

Runaways. Not only is it about the rebellious, runaway children of supervillains....

But Joss Whedon is writing it now.

And within three issues of taking over the writing position, he came up with an excuse to create this picture:

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Yes, that's a mutant, two aliens (one of them a gender-bending super-skrull) a mage, an android, and a FUCKING PSYCHIC RAPTOR FROM THE FUTURE.....posing for a photo in 1902
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Postby Oort » Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:00 pm UTC

He's also written for Astonishing X-Men. It's my favorite of all the X-Men titles. Good writing. He knows how to do Wolverine and Kitty. And he finally gave Cyclops what he deserved. I've been waiting a long time for that. :twisted:

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Postby Belial » Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:04 pm UTC

so. If I just started reading X-men at the point where Whedon started writing...how lost would I be?

Marvel titles are really discouraging, because you have to track back three years and cross reference 8 titles just to get started in a given title.

It's another reason I like Runaways. Because I can go to the store, pick up the *first book*, and just go.
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Postby Rodan » Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:21 pm UTC

Not that lost. He stayed apart from the main events and everything he writes is win. go down the list:
Firefly
Buffy the Vampire slayer (the best episodes)
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Postby Oort » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:11 pm UTC

It's only been 20 issues or so now, and I think he started at issue 1, so not very lost. Also, although it's in-canon, its plotlines are usually unrelated to the rest of the marvel universe, so it's not much of a big problem. It's not quite like uncanny x-men, which is up to 400-somethnig now.

I know what you mean about Marvel, though. You have to be knowledgeable about the whole planet to understand some of the comics. But as far as I can tell, DC is just as bad that way.

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Postby Belial » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:26 pm UTC

I don't read much DC outside of the vertigo titles, so it hasn't come up.

I will definitely have to jump on Astonishing X-men, though
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Postby Oort » Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:48 pm UTC

Wow, my post actually influenced a buying decision. I feel influential. All-powerful, even.

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Postby cephalopod9 » Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:03 am UTC

ohmygosh, ohmygosh I'm reading Watchmen right now! I'm on the second to last chapter! They're all gonna die, so awesome!
Alan Moore is pretty cool. I've been looking into some of his stuff. I read V fo Vendetta, and picked up the second League of Extrodinary Gentlemen at the library (are the movies of the same titles any good?); they didn't have the first one. I also got Ghost in the Shell from the library, there were some pages missing which was sad. I'm also on book 9 of Fruits Basket, which is great (so cute and girly!<3!). Ooh! and The Dark Towere comics that have Stephen King's name all over them. I want to get into more of the monthly type comics, which ones are good?

I also read a ton of webcomics. Seriously, there's about 40 I check up on regularly, but they aren't printed on bound together papers and if I don't think about it first I'll forget most of them.
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Postby Kawa » Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:15 am UTC

On Ghost in the Shell: The missing pages are probably of simulated lesbian pr0n (in the beginning color section of chapter 3). You didn't miss much other than that.
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Postby cephalopod9 » Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:07 am UTC

Kawa wrote:On Ghost in the Shell: The missing pages are probably of simulated lesbian pr0n (in the beginning color section of chapter 3). You didn't miss much other than that.


It's a pretty old, worn book, there's a bunch of pages ripped out here and there, a whole cover gallery that's supposed to be in the back, there don't seem to be any pages missing from chapter 3(no porn tho'), but pages 101-104(where they explain about the robot bodies and stuff... so dissapointing) , 239-242, just random chunks of pages.
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Kawa wrote:On Ghost in the Shell: The missing pages are probably of simulated lesbian pr0n (in the beginning color section of chapter 3). You didn't miss much other than that.


It's a pretty old, worn book, there's a bunch of pages ripped out here and there, a whole cover gallery that's supposed to be in the back, there don't seem to be any pages missing from chapter 3(no porn tho'), but pages 101-104(where they explain about the robot bodies and stuff... so dissapointing) , 239-242, just random chunks of pages.

*Youch*. I didn't realize that was the situation. I thought the library was semi-censoring. From the looks of it you have the old release (which censors the pron in a different manner)...If you have any questions on what you were missing, PM me and I can try to scan the pages or something, I guess?
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Postby Zohar » Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:49 am UTC

Alan Moore is awesome. You should look for his Swamp Thing run, it's great. Top Ten is very cool too. Promethea is good (some wonderful page designs and the stories are cool) but be aware that it's basically a long lecture about magic and some of the issues are a bit difficult to read.
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Postby chrispy1 » Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:42 am UTC

My random thoughts on comics:
I've just finished reading the first Sin City Graphic Novel. That was cool, and I can't wait to start the second one.

My brother won Avengers #1 and Conan #1 when we were at a comic con about 15 years ago. His winning ticket number - 678.

I've got stacks of first issues - Namor, Ghost Rider, Spawn, and a bunch of others. They're in a comic box in my parents basement. I miss my collection.

I am currently looking for Ghost Rider comics on DVD. I want to re-read the ones I've got, and catch up on the rest.

I've never read manga or watched anime. I don't know where to start - maybe Full Metal Alchemist or Metropolis. Suggestions would be appreciated...
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Postby Oort » Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:44 pm UTC

Manga/Anime suggestions? It depends on what you like. I recommend Death Note, Hikaru No Go, and Naruto. But that's just me. That's all manga, by the way, but there are anime versions too.

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Postby Pseudomammal » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:24 pm UTC

After finishing both Watchmen and V for Vendetta I had to sit and stare at the wall for a good long while, pondering the world.

For cheap, accessible Marvel fun, try the first Gaiman-tastic volume of 1602.

I started reading graphic novels with ElfQuest. The whole thing went seriously downhill after the Pinis let in other writers and artists, but the first eight volumes are fantastic. (They also caused quite a scandal when my local library shelved them in the young adults section. ZOMG, elf booty! Won't somebody think of the children?)

Scott McCloud's Understanding Comics is required reading for any fan of comics or recursion.

My favorite manga is Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind. Miyazaki must draw at something like a page a minute, yet it all looks great. If you've only seen the movie you got no idea. It only covers about half the series, and the second half changes the whole message.
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Postby Maseiken » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:43 am UTC

I just started reading Astonishing X-men, and I'm keeping up to date with Buffy and trying to keep up with Runaways.

Basically anything the Whedon has touched or gazed upon...

Astonishing X-men was.... flabbergasting, Shocking, Surprising, Gobsmacking, Unexpected, Uncanny, Amazing, Awe-inspiring... Can't think of anything else... :wink:

Seriously, if you want X-men at it's best, I can't imagine anything better than Asonishing...

Also, has anyone noticed how to put a character in the Ultimate universe, you must first Bring their age under 20?
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Postby Kawa » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:10 am UTC

Re: Pseudomammal: Nausicaa is AMAZING, but perhaps a bit heavy of a starter. Then again if you are already reading some quality graphic novels that may not matter. If you want to go down the "classics" path, always pick up on Osamu Tezuka (Phoenix, Astro Boy, Buddha, Tell Adolf.) Barefoot Gen is also amazing but makes me cry like a little baby.

If you like Miyazaki movies try to pick up the rest of the Ghibli stuff too. Grave of the Fireflies makes me cry even harder than Barefoot Gen does.

Re: Oort: I am one of the few anime/manga fans who never ever got into Naruto - just couldn't bring myself to like it. :/ I'm not too big on Hikaru no Go but I haven't seen much of it. Death Note is snazzy and new and fun, but goes down the drain after a while.

More on manga:
CLAMP can churn out some good stuff (X/1999, Tokyo Babylon, xxxHolic, Chobits). Chobits still contains one of my favorite endings ever. xxxHolic is unfortunately currently on hiatus (*shakes fist*) and I want more, damnit!

X/1999 and Tokyo Babylon (and to a lesser degree xxxHolic) take on this idea of 'onmyoji,' or Japanese mystics. If you like that, go for Kekkaishi (a more playful/child-friendly take on it) and maybe Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi (a hilarious but great take on it. Warning for fanservice. I also would like to add that the anime came first and is probably better than the manga, though I haven't read the manga yet.)

Fullmetal Alchemist is good, but long - I haven't been following it lately and don't know how it ends. The anime is Quality (tm) though. Avoid Conqueror of Shambala, it blew to bits.

I will recommend Ghost in the Shell (first manga only please, Man Machine Interface SUCKED) because I always recommend it. Delicious cyberpunk goodness. Unfortunately Shirow hasn't changed his art style EVER and there's bits of gratuitousness scattered about. If you end up liking his stuff, go for Appleseed too. For more amazingness down this vein, go for Akira. The manga's even better than the movie, somehow. O.o

For some fun pulpy horror, go for Hellsing (manga please.) Or the Battle Royale manga, though the original novel's even better.

General rule of thumb I've found to serve me well quite often: Between anime and manga of the same series, go for whichever came first.

If you want more suggestions, let me know!
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Postby chrispy1 » Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:06 pm UTC

Is the Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles good or bad manga? A friend just sent me the entire 116 or so chapters as JPGs, but if it sucks I'm not going to bother reading it...
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